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Sunday, September 21st 2014, 10:22pm

P/W: The battlemonk

Ok ok so I've heard it over and over again that the battlemonk just isn't viable and not worth rolling, but I went ahead and rolled one anyway because they just seemed so fun. Now I'm lvl 45 and still having an absolute blast. Admittedly, this is actually my second battlemonk, my first one I got to lvl 70.

I just first wanted to see if there were still any other battlemonks out there and how they are doing with the class at higher levels. How are the elites, which are your favorites and least favorites?

Also, what gear are you guys currently using? I hear some people say go with a full healer set and just stat straight physical dps so that you can better heal yourself in combat (not be a main healer of course) while others say the mem sets are better to at least get closer to the top DPS classes.

Next, I know that everyone goes axe/shield because we lack crit rate, but are there other options for crit? Whether it be gear, accessories, or food, etc? Has anyone tried using a staff instead? I saw a thread in the archives that talked about how the physical damage was actually quite high on the 2-h staves, but that they just lacked crit. It seemed like an interesting idea, but again, just may not be viable.

And yet another question, I know monks mostly play as DPS but with the right aggro runes in a weapon etc, is there a chance a good battlemonk could tank? I know they can get quite beefy with their phys def boosts etc, but I just am not sure they will be able to hold the aggro from top DPS classes, thoughts?

And one last question, as a DPS monk, how would you guys recommend statting, again, I know opinions will vary on this. Should I through 1 or 2 dex on a piece to increase my accuracy? I know strength stats scale poorly on priests, like .8 patt per 1 str or something like that, but is it still worth it to throw in some str/patt just for the extra damage to stay up with the other dps classes instead of going all stam/patt? Because yes the stam makes us beefier, but if we aren't tanking, at some point, that much health would become obsolete right?

I know I have a lot of questions about the battlemonk, but I LOVE the class whether or not its the best, I have spent months researching and watching any videos I could find, even finding articles in other languages to translate in google.

Any help you guys have or thoughts and insight is greatly appreciated!

The Hunk Monk

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Sunday, September 21st 2014, 10:30pm

Should I through 1 or 2 dex on a piece to increase my accuracy?
no. if you have accuracy issues, an acc. rune in the mainhand is the best way to solve it.

I know strength stats scale poorly on priests, like .8 patt per 1 str or something like that, but is it still worth it to throw in some str/patt just for the extra damage to stay up with the other dps classes instead of going all stam/patt?
yes.

you should be statting like a warrior. all stam/PA and str/PA. the ratio depends on what you prefer.

i'd also find the physical cloth gear from mems and use that. get all crit accessories, as that is what you will be missing the most of.



sorry i can''t help with more of the questions...
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Monday, September 22nd 2014, 1:49am

Thanks for your reply Cike!

I will definitely give str/patts a go then and see if that helps a bit as well as get an accuracy rune for my weapon.

Any others out there with more advice, I would love to hear from you! Keep the battlemonk alive!

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Monday, September 22nd 2014, 9:51am

no. u shouldn't use strength-stats. at all.

warriors get 2 patt per 1 str. u r not a warrior. u r a p/w, meaning that for the game u r a priest. so u get 0.8 patt per str. STR is useless for p/w.

ur main stat is: sta/patt. wis/patt is nice to have for filler. as cike said, dotn use dex at all.

the main issue with p/w is that they dont have a class-core-stat to use along with in the */patt stats. eg dex fro rogues, str for warriors etc. thats why u mainly rely on sta/patt and wis/patt so u have a mix of dps and survival.

dont expect to be a top dps. p/w is more of soloing/fun to play rather than the favored-class. its great combo to play cause doesnt follow the standard rules.
u have great buffs - heals - soulsource - dps potential, all in one. u r not a master in 1 category but u r a versatile class. thats why ppl wont like u (unfortunately)..

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Monday, September 22nd 2014, 2:29pm

.8 PA is better than 0 PA. if you are going for a DPS build(which most bmonks I know do), then str/PA is your highest PA stat iirc.

like I said though, you need to balance PA and survival/utility.

plus, you have brute force which helps a bit.

I'll take a look at the other values though...
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Monday, September 22nd 2014, 3:02pm

Agreed, I wouldn't go STR if there was a better dmg option for the battlemonk, but after a while, as a dps which isnt supposed to be taking a ton of hits, too much stam becomes a waste and I'd rather get the slightest extra dmg off of stacking strength in a few places. But yes, both stam/patt and wis/patt are two top priority stats. Maybe just a few str/patts for when the survivability is no longer needed?

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Monday, September 22nd 2014, 5:00pm

Unfortunately both Str/Patt and Sta/Patt are expensive stats to buy; if you are looking at buying stats. Personally I go for the more cheaper transformation stats i.e. Patt/Pdef for my Patt. The thing about BM is that you do not fit into any of the pre-conceived categories, DPS, Tank, Healer, that being said, you can do them all, just not as well as someone who has specialized in one of those categories. Hence why the BM is often seen as a loner, he does not fit in well with a group. At least a group that likes to categorize. That, by the way, is where the "not viable" mindset comes from. The BM is completely viable through all content, but bleeding edge parties will not want to risk taking you along if they can get another R/M in your spot. IMHO though, if it is a non-burn party, the BM would be invaluable, as you probably have the highest survivability potential of any class (missing an AOE for the case of being mobbed by large groups though).
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Monday, September 22nd 2014, 5:23pm

Thanks for the advice Auros, I've run enough endgame to know that if you're not r/m wd/s w/m etc people dont always want you. But I do know that not EVERYONE out there is diehard elitists and I'm hoping there'll be groups willing to give the battlemonk a chance. I will definitely give patt/def a cahnce knowing how expensive stam/patt and str/patt are. Would it be reasonable to throw in maybe 1 wis/patt per piece as well? Those are also fairly cheap and I would think work well for the battlemonk.

Most likely I will go for a damage build as much as possible, but how well do you think a battlemonk might be able to tank with the right aggro runes etc? I know AoE is an issue but other than that, how is aggro? Is it simply not enough?

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Monday, September 22nd 2014, 5:41pm

as a monk u cant tank unfortunately. the main problem is the lack of aggro skills (u have none as a monk). so even if u have a hatred on, is not enough to hold off aggro, except if u overgear the rest of ur party, but this is not the default case.

i completely agree with auros. monk cant fit almost any role, but nowhere perfect. its the most interesting class to play, but know a-priori not to get disappointed if u r not "preferred" in endgame content.

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Tuesday, September 23rd 2014, 12:17am

Also, forgot to mention, Madness runes. You want madness runes in all your gear. And, you can tank...after all the DPS are dead...lol. Oh, wait, yeah, the healer dies after the DPS..nah, best to have a regular tank to hold aggro, you just DPS and toss in the emergency soul source or cleanse when required.
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Tuesday, September 23rd 2014, 3:33am

That's okay, that's totally what I was expecting. So madness runes eh? Good to know I'll have a look at starting to get me some of those :)

And yes Achilleas, I am more than prepared to not be at the top and to not always be welcome. But I would like to at least show people what a battlemonk is capable of. We all know that they aren't the top dps class, there's no denying it. But sometimes I think people tell others battlemonks arent the best and other people take it as they are completely aweful and not worth in a party. I think the battlemonk could very well have a solid place in a group raid if not everyone wanted to super speed burn everything, I actually think they offer quite a lot and I hope to maybe show people that ;P

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Wednesday, September 24th 2014, 2:36pm

Sorry for the double post, I just wanted to know also if any of the monks out there had experimented with staves? I saw somewhere that the level 77 staffs had quite high physical dmg and wanted to know if that continued to be the case up through 85 gear and even if it would be viable.

I know it lacks the crit which may be a problem and I also know that we aren't healers but a tiered staff, if it gave us at least comparable dps would also give us much much better heals than an axe. But then we also lose out on the insane defense and extra stat slot of a nice shield.

I don't see it being the best option honestly I just wanted to know if anyone had given it a go and actually tested it.

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Wednesday, September 24th 2014, 4:54pm

I admit I only gave it a cursory glance early on for roleplaying purposes, but no...even a cursory glance told me that it was not a worthwhile path.
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Wednesday, December 10th 2014, 7:20am

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I have a 87/87 P/W Monk I luv the solo-bility of the class, I have run a number of instances. But as for tanking NO you cant do that, i stack str/patt and stam/patt. I have tried other stating wis/patt, int/patt, stam/patt, for an over all playability not bad but I like the str/patt, stam/patt, I have 3 peices of gear left to stat but over all I have fully buffed 107k patt and 245k pdef, 39.60 crit hit rate, 130k hp.

As for how viable this class is when properly geared/stated in end game content I think rating Monk at a 7 out of 10. At the moment only lvl 77 set gear is available for Monk, with accesories above that. I have Charplan and that is not showing any new sets as of yet for monk, I would like to see the ability to use chain gear for dps as that would take up the overall str/patt/stam/physdeff of the class.

The skills are great to awsome for Monk the main dps skill is Explosion of Fighting Spirit atm its at 85 for me doing 420% main hand without the buff from the pet with the buff 735% main hand dps, My average is 103k dmg. Slash is 86 with a bleed of 8100+, Fighting Spirit Combination 71 gives life back, Ascending Dragon strike is another nice skill it adds 20% to crit hits above what you have from gear.

I maxed out my Healing Salve, Regen is at 73, UH is 78, I dont have any plans atm to raise those but I do also use Bone Chill doing about 1.9k per. I also carry a bunch of Strength of Battle as for most other stuff I do carry phys crit hit rate pots, hero pots, Honey Cake.

If your on Reni holler at me I normally get on at least 4 days/nights a week. As I would like to get in on more runs for mems, stats ect. ect. If your wanting to see what a Monk can do holler at me the name is Sonjur current guild is Blondsrus lol. Im up for anything to further test out end game content :)

I hope I answered your questions, if you have anyothers holler at me in game or here.
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Saturday, December 13th 2014, 4:26pm

If you are going to use the cheaper stats like wis/pa i'd prefer to use int/pa as int gives mana and also pa, but i'd use mem gear, stack as much crit as possible, weap train to max level and use str pa, sta pa and pa hp could be another option i guess. I haven't played BM in years but I used to love it except for the freakin horrid miss rate... and felt like I got a kick in the teeth when for years we were screaming for fixes and the dr/w gets the chain elite
/ragequit BM

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Tuesday, December 16th 2014, 5:35pm

Here's what my P/W from almost 2 years ago looked like w/ full buffs back then:
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