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Thursday, October 9th 2014, 11:16pm

M/W Buffing To The Limit

So as I said in another thread, I would upload my list that I've come up with of all the variable buffs used on average in a normal raid for M/W's. If I have missed any, feel free to add below.

This list I have come up with shows that, with the current buff limit of 40, it is not enough for a M/W, and therefore must make sacrifices on certain buffs.

This is not necessarily a complaint thread, merely an awareness thread to all M/W's who may or may not know of all the buffs you can use to bring out your full potential and to show you that you should be careful in what you buff with, so that you make sure you dont overbuff and knock off important ones that have timers or limits (i.e. housekeeper buffs)

So let's discuss, if there is anything to discuss, and here is my list, broken down in (my own personal) sections as I deemed them fit:

**please note that all buffs listed DO stack with one another**

regular variable self buffs

1.)hero pot
2.)ham sandwich / sesame bread
3.)unbridled (nonessential)
4.)lucky target (nonessential)
5.)scarlet love (nonessential)
6.)energy influx
7.)elemental explosion
8.)legendary pet
9.)adult pet
10.)chocolate cake / pdef food
11.)everlasting love spiced juice
12.)specialty cuisine delicacy
13.)vanilla strawberry dessert
14.)rhino blood (nonessential)
15.)secret ritual manual
16.)housekeeper mattk buff #1
17.)housekeeper mattk buff #2
18.)guild mattk buff
19.)blessing of the flower goddess (nonessential)
20.)electrostatic charge (nonessential)



constant self burn buffs

21.)tranquility Powder
22.)unharmed
23.)moti blended sausage
24.)ancient spirit water
25.)arcane potion / extinguish potion (one or the other, they do not stack)
26.)activate mana
27.)berserk
28.)rage mana
29.)wisdom and bravery
30.)intensification
31.)elemental catalysis



variable burn buffs

32.)tambo (damage)
33.)guitar (attack speed)
34.)morale boost (wd/s mdam buff)
35.)fire training (attack speed)
36.)soldiers attack (attack speed & mattk)
37.)surge of awareness (warlock mattk buff)


variable controlled desired buffs

38.)sublimation weave curse
39.)mysterious grace
40.)essence of magic
41.)embrace of the water spirit
42.)shadow fury
43.)snowpearl flower buff
44.)dreamland amulet buff
45.)donichuka int buff



variable uncontrolled buffs

46.)mental surge (pet int)
47.)blessed magic (pet mattk)
48.)meditative current
49.)meditation path


**add to count consideration for healer HoT's**
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This post has been edited 7 times, last edit by "acypcar90" (Oct 10th 2014, 2:49am)


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Thursday, October 9th 2014, 11:26pm

Just thought I'd mention that if you are including wd/s buff, might as well add ch/p and k/p dmg buffs to that portion of the list as well.
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Thursday, October 9th 2014, 11:42pm

If you're worreid about overbuffing, there's a number of them that you can go without.

Scarlet Love
Blessing of the flower god
Unbridled Enthusiasm
Lucky Target
Rhino Blood
electrostatic charge


since current player meta is "burn or die", unless you actually strat bosses the above buffs aren't "essential" unless you die to stray boss aoes. 5% pdef isn't going to help a m/w who's reducing their pdef by using berserk...you'll die with or without it. Same for flower god/rhino. Lucky target isn't helpful for dealing damage. Unbridle can be helpful for executing strats, or running back, but if you're burning it just takes up a buff spot, and if you're dying you probably have time to run back without the extra speed regadless.

Again, these buffs don't contribute to "getting your full potential". Not trying to harp on you, but you could save it for other buffs (or prevent over buffing). If overbuffing isn't an issue, then none of what I've just said apply to you.

Also, the "green crit pot" is named Extinguish Potion.

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Friday, October 10th 2014, 12:50am

Basically my thoughts while reading this thread as well, though even taking away those 6 nonessential buffs there is still the (albeit small) possibility of overbuffing. Though it's unlikely that all of these buffs would actually happen together unless you purposefully did it.

Truly, though, I think this thread calls light on an issue that plagues more than just mages. The buff limit. There shouldn't be one, first of all, but if there has to be it really needs to be around 60 buffs. It should not be possible to lose buffs because you used too many. If you're going to make that many buffs stackable, make sure you can actually stack them. What's worse is you generally end up losing, not easy to obtain buffs like unbridled, but hard to get/limited buffs like housekeeper buffs. It's silly. This has been an issue for quite some time, though I doubt Runewaker will ever get around to fixing it.
If you're worreid about overbuffing, there's a number of them that you can go without.

Scarlet Love
Blessing of the flower god
Unbridled Enthusiasm
Lucky Target
Rhino Blood
electrostatic charge


since current player meta is "burn or die", unless you actually strat bosses the above buffs aren't "essential" unless you die to stray boss aoes. 5% pdef isn't going to help a m/w who's reducing their pdef by using berserk...you'll die with or without it. Same for flower god/rhino. Lucky target isn't helpful for dealing damage. Unbridle can be helpful for executing strats, or running back, but if you're burning it just takes up a buff spot, and if you're dying you probably have time to run back without the extra speed regadless.

Again, these buffs don't contribute to "getting your full potential". Not trying to harp on you, but you could save it for other buffs (or prevent over buffing). If overbuffing isn't an issue, then none of what I've just said apply to you.

Also, the "green crit pot" is named Extinguish Potion.
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Friday, October 10th 2014, 2:46am

You can most certainly do without those buffs. I should have been more clear.

The buffs I listed were just every possible buff I could think of that one would normally use in a raid. As RTP points out, I missed a couple from other classes.

My point is, as Borella pointed out as well, is that while although those listed buffs are nonessential for maximizing overall power and dps, the point still stands that we must sacrifice said buffs in order to make room for the buffs we need BECAUSE there's a limit.


Lastly, when I said "getting your full potential" I should have been more clear in stating that regardless of if we can use all these buffs, for those who are new to M/W or are unaware of every possible buff we can use, I made this list so we can all see nice and neatly laid out which buffs we can use, stack, and maximize potential with.


Thanks everyone so far for the pointers :)
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Friday, October 10th 2014, 3:33am

Yeah basically the overall point is that we should be able to stack as many buffs as we want to without worrying that one of them (Or a heal for christ's sake) is going to push something important off. That's just plain bad design.
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Friday, October 10th 2014, 3:58am

yeah it is ridiculous that there is that low of a cap, I mean with all the new buffs and stuff, mount buffs, etc... 40 at this point is ridiculous.

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Friday, October 10th 2014, 4:34am

just another item on the list of "it was perfectly fine for lvl 50 cap, now it's kinda stupid"...
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

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Friday, October 10th 2014, 1:26pm

wardens have been crying about buff limit for years lol, completely feel you there, nothing like finishing a boss and finding out you lost your housemaids.. AND zodiacs... to make you rage.
Pretty soon as they keep adding stackables as each new content comes around, almost every class will be dealing with this very issue. Sooner or later they ARE going to HAVE to do SOMETHING about it.
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Saturday, October 18th 2014, 2:16pm

Anytime anyone talks about taking it to the limit, I think of this video:

Take it to the limit
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