Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "Inferiority"

There's nothing wrong with the Rage mechanic. It works just fine starting at 0.

Quoted from "radeon"

Don't be utterly ridiculous...

Are you full of rage first thing in the morning?
Are you full of rage when you step out of house to water the plants?
No, of course not.

Are you full of rage when someone smacks you round the side of the head?
Are you full of rage when you're hit by something?
Quite likely.

Rage should start at 0 and build up as you get hit.

It is difficult when you first start playing as Warrior. It's frustrating to only have a plain [Attack] skill being the only thing you can use for the first few seconds of a fight.


By the way...

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A new warrior goes out to pioneer colony and sees a mushroom. No problem you say, I'll surprise attack charge and then kill it.

...You can't Surprise Attack a mushroom with a new warrior!

Warriors are the top dps in the game after Warden/Warrior... clearly there's nothing wrong with the rage mechanic in its current state.

Quoted from "Borella"

Warriors are the top dps in the game after Warden/Warrior... clearly there's nothing wrong with the rage mechanic in its current state.

thats with work arounds like rage pots and rage capes which essentially turns rage into energy by starting at full

i'd say its fine as is for pve only, with the current burn or die meta

i don't really know how fast rage is generated normally so i cant say if rage mechanics are fine if instance meta changes to longer/nonburn/strategic fights

Rage generates at about 5 times the weapon speed per white hit. It generates 7 every time you're hit, iirc.

Rage as it is ofc is fine for pve because you can take as long as you want to get started, but it's a terrible handicap for pvp.

I really can't understand how anyone can say the idea of NOT BEING ABLE TO CAST EVEN YOUR MOST BASIC skill is fine? Does it make ANY sense, that a warrior, the alleged king of battle, can't even cast slash to start? The whole concept is just so completely stupid.

If every class had the same restriction, you would all be wailing and howling at how stupid it is. lol

I think rage is stupid. Also, I've never played warrior.. because rage is stupid.

I think it should be at 100 all the time, and cap at 200. From 0 - 100 rage it regens at x ticks a second, and getting over 100 is only done so by the current way.

Make Energy 200!

Champions get the free boost of 10 rage from their white hits and Rune Pulse is free and gives 5 rage. The rage generates at the same rate, however, without Forge on. Let's just give warriors Forge and call it a day

rage generation of white hits during burn is a bigger deal than people think. warriors actually have the most availability of their pool than any of the 100-pool classes during burn.

warriors can use more rage during burn than rogues, scouts, or warlocks can use their respective pools. burn rage generation is OP.

explanation:

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looking at about 30 rage/sec with basic group burn buffs and aggressiveness, which means you essentially refill your rage bar every ~3.5 seconds.

for a 15 second fight, you can use ~450 rage, without popping any sort of pots, iss, or cape.

IGNORE THIS. IT IS BASED ON AN OLDER THEORY THAT HAS BEEN DIS-PROVEN.

THANKS

Just an observation about current comments and my own experience....

Basically, the problem most people have with rage system exists only OUTSIDE of burn. You can claim, for a burn boss, that "warriors have to use a pot or a cape to get rage where rogues (or other clases like mages) do not"....however, in order to use the same number of "primary" skills, rogues need to use energy pots....From my understanding, to get maximum damage as a rogue/mage, you use your intial rotation, then use energy pot to continue using blind spot/low blow/wound attack multiple times...if you aren't doing that you don't do max damage (as far as I can tell with my limited knowledge of rogues)....

So the "having to use a potion" thing out of the way (its not unique to warriors), outside of burn is the only place rage system is insufficient. This will mostly apply to siege, where rogues can get their "main combos" in one fight, then 1min later use their main combo again in a different confrontation, without relying on 2min+ cooldown items/skills. This is much more difficult to do as a warrior....although PERSONALLY I don't recall haveing too much trouble since I always siege as w/wd or w/k, and these classes can avoid having to use rage immediately to disable enemies.

Having rage restore up to 100, with a max of 200, maybe not be a fantastic idea, as that may actually make some abilities totally useless, or at least significantly less effective (such as w/s skills that restore rage --- w/s would rarely need to use these for that particular effect)....But that's just the opinion of someone who doesn't think the rage system is as bad as ppl make it out to be....

my math was based on an outdated rage generation theory. it has been dis-proven. carry on.

seems rage generation is a constant 6/second, no matter attack speed, which puts warriors back down at the bottom of the pool generation rank. 6/sec is less than the passive 7.5/sec rogues get in combat.


and this is why we need people to test "common knowledge", because, as far as i can remember, rage was always assumed to scale off base weapon speed, and then was stagnant per hit. it's not, and it was only caught because somebody was testing rage generation, and noticed rage/hit changes whether you have a raid rune or not.

The one thing warriors (and champions) have over the other pools is gettin 7 rage whenever they get hit from a boss aoe.

Quoted from "Cike"

seems rage generation is a constant 6/second, no matter attack speed, which puts warriors back down at the bottom of the pool generation rank. 6/sec is less than the passive 7.5/sec rogues get in combat.

So with aggressiveness they still have the most generation?

No. Champions do with Forge.

Burn:

Out of Burn:

The above are calculated using a 3.7 weapon with a raid x rune and a maxed wl/m warp charge.

Actually, that is not fully correct. Warrior always has the average of 6 rage per second. Aggressiveness increases this to 10.8 rage per second. In combat, rogues have an average of 7.5 energy per second. In combat standing still, scouts and warlocks have an average of 5 focus per second. In combat moving around, scouts and warlocks have an average of 1.5 focus per second. Champions have as you see above with my previous post.

Out of burn, the order is: champion > rogue > warrior > scout/warlock

In burn, the order is: champion > warrior > rogue > scout/warlock

Quoted from "pachat93"

having tried both warrior and champion, it feels like warrior's rage generates so much slower it's ridiculous. basically once your agressiveness wears off you barely have enough to do a probing+open flank combo with your rage it's 2 skills every 5 seconds or so...

Quoted from "pachat93"

so if i understand correctly, not only w start with 0 compare to full bar but they also get less over time then the other classes outside of burns?

Ya warriors have always been the most f'd up class, that's why not many have every played it compared to the other dps's. Or if they try it, they change because rage is so idiotic. I expect that even if w/s is the top dps now, that not many will want to play it still. It's far better to play a slightly less dps rather than be annoyed by rage every day. lol