Scout Scout Damage

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Monday, June 1st 2015, 11:24pm

Quoted from "Mamn00n"

As for why I say nimble hands isn't what it was, let me elaborate a little. With the damage formula that Scouts specificly use, makes attack speed have half of a half of the effect other classes get. For example; 10% attack speed for rogues is the equivalent of 20% damage. For scouts, 10% attack speed is 5% damage.

10% attack speed buff melee -> 1.0/0.9 == 11% dps increase(1.11)
25% attack speed buff melee -> 1.0/0.75 == 33% dps increase(1.33)
50% attack speed buff melee -> 1.0/0.5 == 100% dps increase(2) <-- where the "double buff bonus" idea came from.
75% attack speed buff melee -> 1.0/0.25 == 300% dps increase(4)
etc, etc.

melee attack speed bonus is not linear.

ranged weapon dps increase is ~1/2 the attack speed buff though. from all my testing, it is close enough to 1/2 for generalizations imo.

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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ShaWalker

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Tuesday, June 2nd 2015, 10:50am

Just a quick question,

But am i missing something???

If they would change the range damage formula to that of the melee damage formula then:

Bows would be viable
the gain from speed buffs would be more
the dps of the scout would be extremely extremely extremely nerfed!!!!!!!

Melee formula:
Dmg_done = Crit_mod * ADF * [ 2.75 * DPS + 2 * DPS * Skill_percent ]

Ranged formula:
Dmg_done = Crit_mod * ADF * [ 2.75 * DAMAGE + 2 * DPS * Skill_percent ]

Changing the damage formula of the scout so point 1 & 2 would be achieved would be great!
Changing the damage formula of the scout to that of melee dps.... would ruin the class... :dead:

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achilleas1

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Tuesday, June 2nd 2015, 12:01pm

Yes, u r right, u r not missing anything.

If they change dmg formula and keep values as is, scout performance will be lower than current, since an xbow speed (3.6) cannot get lower than 1 even if fully buffed.

So, technically speaking, scout raw performance will be lower than its current performance, but during burst will get more benefit than it gets now (i.e. benefit in terms of % performance boost, even though total performance may be lower than currenty)

The proper way to deal with the issue is:
1- set ranged formula equal to that of melee
2- increase the base dmg of xbows so to compensate for the performance loss (due to the substitution of DMG with DPS in the formula)

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Mamn00n

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Wednesday, June 3rd 2015, 12:00am

Quoted from "Cike"

Quoted from "Mamn00n"

1% attack speed =\= 2% damage

10% attack speed buff melee -> 1.0/0.9 == 11% dps increase(1.11)
25% attack speed buff melee -> 1.0/0.75 == 33% dps increase(1.33)
50% attack speed buff melee -> 1.0/0.5 == 100% dps increase(2) <-- where the "double buff bonus" idea came from.
75% attack speed buff melee -> 1.0/0.25 == 300% dps increase(4)
etc, etc.

melee attack speed bonus is not linear.

ranged weapon dps increase is ~1/2 the attack speed buff though. from all my testing, it is close enough to 1/2 for generalizations imo.

0-49% is less than 2% per %
50% is = to
51-100 is more than 2% per %.
This is why i say 1% as =\= 2% damage. >.<

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bahlool

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Saturday, June 6th 2015, 12:17pm

So anyone did any test runs in instances?

can we see some of your scurti?

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Saturday, June 6th 2015, 2:31pm

Obviously Scout Is The Way To Go For Your Secondary Class. As a Primary i Believe It Plain Sucks. Clearly Warrior/Scout is the Carry if Done Correctly.

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Only Play Rogue Classes. :crazy:

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bahlool

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Saturday, June 6th 2015, 7:46pm

mate did you see my scurti??

I don't understand how people still consider scout as not even a dps class :dash:

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Cike

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Saturday, June 6th 2015, 8:57pm

Quoted from "Optomistic"

As a Primary i Believe It Plain Sucks

while it isn't the best(good thing...then we might have to worry about nerfs and QQ again >.< ), scout dps is "endgame viable" atm, at least some combos. i think thats really all we can ask for tbh.

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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aardvark3

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Saturday, June 6th 2015, 11:36pm

Quoted from "Cike"

Quoted from "Optomistic"

As a Primary i Believe It Plain Sucks

while it isn't the best(good thing...then we might have to worry about nerfs and QQ again >.< ), scout dps is "endgame viable" atm, at least some combos. i think thats really all we can ask for tbh.

No it is not any more viable than it was before the minor adjustment. Its dps is still far too low to match the dps of any of the other dps classes. It still has the worst survivability of any class. No changes to the buff/debuffs to make it more desirable. The change was minor and did nothing to change its rankings vs any other class it still sucks. On a scale from 1 to 10 using the other classes as a 10 scout went form 2 to 3 . A step forward but nothing that really changed in its status.

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Saturday, June 6th 2015, 11:43pm

Scout is just Bad in PVP.

Better in PVE.

Alliances are Nothing but Meaningless Tokens.

Only Play Rogue Classes. :crazy:

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bahlool

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Sunday, June 7th 2015, 12:10am

in pvp surprising scout is a beast.. im doing way better with him than my rouge :love:

Here is my scurti from HDE.. on B4 one of the warmages did 66 million damage but that's normal given the length of the fight and the resistance advantage magic has over physical dds.

Still scout is holding well with all other dds.. didn't capture B3 but its a disaster for scout damage.

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Cike

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Sunday, June 7th 2015, 2:13am

Quoted from "aardvark3"

Quoted from "Cike"

Quoted from "Optomistic"

As a Primary i Believe It Plain Sucks

while it isn't the best(good thing...then we might have to worry about nerfs and QQ again >.< ), scout dps is "endgame viable" atm, at least some combos. i think thats really all we can ask for tbh.

No it is not any more viable than it was before the minor adjustment. Its dps is still far too low to match the dps of any of the other dps classes. It still has the worst survivability of any class. No changes to the buff/debuffs to make it more desirable. The change was minor and did nothing to change its rankings vs any other class it still sucks. On a scale from 1 to 10 using the other classes as a 10 scout went form 2 to 3 . A step forward but nothing that really changed in its status.

just curious if you've even played scout post-buff.

seriously....

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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bahlool

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Sunday, June 7th 2015, 2:42am

It's kinda sad to see the feedback on this forum.. I remember you guys kept complaining for ages to get a scout fix and when that happens, you don't even give it a proper try and just talk crap in general.. only one guys bother to share scurti and make a video here.. I thought we could share information and learn from each other to better grow together since I have lots of love to scouts..

I guess I've been wasting my time as its seems it's all talk here and no action here.. maybe you should learn from the Germans and what they are doing with their scouts at the moment :/

http://board.eu.runesofmagic.gameforge.c…threadID=530644

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aardvark3

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Sunday, June 7th 2015, 3:43am

Yes I play Scout it is my main, I love the Scout more than any other class but after the buff I can find only a 10% to 20 % increase in dps. No help was given to its survivability, range or detection problems they were just ignored. Adding even 20% is meaningless when the the starting point was so low. Still the Scout is doing only about half the damage of my mage who has far poorer gear and only about half the tp and the Scout dies far sooner using any Secondary than my mage/ priest . The warden/scout does far more damage than the Scout /warden thanks to the centaur pet even though it is dex statted and wearing leather it survives far better. The Rogue/Scout far exceeds the Scout/rogue and is almost impossible to kill while the Scout still dies when a mob sneezes. All they did was put a cheap paint job on a car that has no motor or wheels.

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Cike

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Sunday, June 7th 2015, 3:59am

Quoted from "aardvark3"

10% to 20 % increase in dps

do you use blood arrow and arrow of essense?

with the buffs to those two alone, scout burn dps essentially doubled.

the mastery buff was just icing on the cake...

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Sunday, June 7th 2015, 4:11am

ive only tried scout a few times as im always needed as tank ><

But idk i just ran GOH on s/wd and snipe was critting for 13 mil and cc for 8-9 mil lol 2 skills and 22 mil damage and im crap geared lol.. was averaging 40-55 mil every fight with scruts over 8 mil usually lol...
One fight averaged 13.5 mil...

in pomh im doing 30-40 mil easily as s/r ... not even s/wd...well.. 30-40 mil very respectable imo esp poop geared as i am

if i had full pomh set, coeh or goh set, and godfosaken hoe set i wouldnt doubt id be near 50+ mil scruts in pomh, coeh w/e....but i literally am using not one piece of any set as i quickly geared one to test with lol. WTB more runs!
Missing.... sooo... much... damage haha

really not sure how you say scout isnt atleast viable sir.... maybe you just not very good at scout? lol idk not being mean by any means, but i mean the videos, and scruts everywhere are all you need, if i could figure out to downsize ss lol id post some as well lol! rofl

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Sunday, June 7th 2015, 5:32am

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Sunday, June 7th 2015, 6:12am

Quoted from "bahlool"

It's kinda sad to see the feedback on this forum.. I remember you guys kept complaining for ages to get a scout fix and when that happens, you don't even give it a proper try and just talk crap in general.. only one guys bother to share scurti and make a video here.. I thought we could share information and learn from each other to better grow together since I have lots of love to scouts..

I guess I've been wasting my time as its seems it's all talk here and no action here.. maybe you should learn from the Germans and what they are doing with their scouts at the moment :/

http://board.eu.runesofmagic.gameforge.c…threadID=530644

tbh the majority of ppl that post on US forum are completely braindead, so yea probably a waste of time for you

that aside, i goofed around on s/m with wl/m fire buffer in party. pop autoshot and ignite spam. was fun

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