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Wednesday, August 26th 2015, 7:02am

I know W/m is good in pve its just that in pvp gear I suck have to wear pve gear to own everyone in back in the day when it was only beth I used to be top dps in that 15 secs of burn now that ive run grotto im getting outdpsed by ppl I used to own in dps and I have 80% crit 150ma unbuffed and 13kmdm I don't got ibw but I feel like I should be doing more dps in burns I know we are best in long fights but I used to be best in both m/w shouldn't be outing me or r/m or wrd/w lol I also use wand and tali but I don't got annelia toy I got coe wand tho and I got instance gear with pom gear I don't use pillar gear or set bcuz too much lost of crit
A bit of punctuation would help. You having trouble killing people when you're in Honor Gear? Sorry bud, you're doing something wrong. W/M is strong in full honor gear wand+shield.

Bethomia had such low MDef that you needed like nothing built around you to do good as a magic dps. Now you actually need some help. So if you're running in raids built around melee, yeah they'll do way better than you.

Why shouldn't M/W, R/M, or Wd/W be beating you in DPS?
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Wednesday, August 26th 2015, 7:33am

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if you run with m/d everytime, imo fire talisman > matt one


word i dont have ibw so im screwed and i think i messed up on getting it and lmao you agged it you can afford to have 3 ud at most

i have 1 UD only, my hoe ring :P
lol thanks will try it and nice you have od wings to :0 only ud i hae is chest and wings

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Wednesday, August 26th 2015, 9:37am





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Pretty sure that fire dmg tali > annelia offhand
is fire dmg tali really that op ?


Yes it is... on t8 HD the fire dmg talisman gives +9.6% fire dmg, since at least half your dmg is fire dmg (more if you're running with a good wl/m), that means just the ghost stat increases your dps by at least 4.8% (try beating that with some matk ghost stat!). you can increase the bonus by tiering higher, which some do even to the extent of tiering it like a weapon and disregarding the bonus they could get from the stats they could've put there.

I did some extensive calculations on the german forum back when betho was released, but I'm currently too lazy to look those up and translate them (they're also a bit outdated), but the gist was: annelias flat mdmg was better before betho was released (kbn wand was in between, depending on sets, but that one lost to the lvl 76 quest reward), but since then the mdmg on the wands has increased to a level where those percentages from the fire talisman benefit you more.

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Wednesday, August 26th 2015, 5:18pm

W/M is OP in PvP. W/M is OP in PvE.

The problem you might be having, is the people who you use to always beat in DPS, actually geared up to or past your level now where as before they had not, or they have now learned their class.

w/m can easily get over 200k matk, 500k pdef/mdef/hp in siege so that shouldn't be a problem, with the addition of stuns.

w/m can also reach over 500k matk very easily with damage food, so can certainly do good burn dmg (no not best) however it for sure is the highest long term dps class.

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Wednesday, August 26th 2015, 5:53pm

I know W/m is good in pve its just that in pvp gear I suck have to wear pve gear to own everyone in back in the day when it was only beth I used to be top dps in that 15 secs of burn now that ive run grotto im getting outdpsed by ppl I used to own in dps and I have 80% crit 150ma unbuffed and 13kmdm I don't got ibw but I feel like I should be doing more dps in burns I know we are best in long fights but I used to be best in both m/w shouldn't be outing me or r/m or wrd/w lol I also use wand and tali but I don't got annelia toy I got coe wand tho and I got instance gear with pom gear I don't use pillar gear or set bcuz too much lost of crit
A bit of punctuation would help. You having trouble killing people when you're in Honor Gear? Sorry bud, you're doing something wrong. W/M is strong in full honor gear wand+shield.

Bethomia had such low MDef that you needed like nothing built around you to do good as a magic dps. Now you actually need some help. So if you're running in raids built around melee, yeah they'll do way better than you.

Why shouldn't M/W, R/M, or Wd/W be beating you in DPS?
do you use accessories honor or your own access and what about wing int ma wing or stam hp int ma ones and i do good on w/m when i buff in honor gear and have a chance to do elec rage but other than that i hit soft and because back in the day i used to out dps them all but when i built party around magic dps i outted a m/w so im satisfied lol

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Wednesday, August 26th 2015, 6:02pm

lol thanks bro will try to t9 and stat it but if I were to t11 or 12 it would it be better ? and is it anyway I can get ibw if I fell of track lol

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Wednesday, August 26th 2015, 6:07pm

W/M is OP in PvP. W/M is OP in PvE.

The problem you might be having, is the people who you use to always beat in DPS, actually geared up to or past your level now where as before they had not, or they have now learned their class.

w/m can easily get over 200k matk, 500k pdef/mdef/hp in siege so that shouldn't be a problem, with the addition of stuns.

w/m can also reach over 500k matk very easily with damage food, so can certainly do good burn dmg (no not best) however it for sure is the highest long term dps class.

(pve using pom gear+hoe set+instance chest+wand+fire tali) (pvp using full honor+wand+shield)
do you use pvp wings in pvp with pvp access and cape ? or do you use your own accessories your own cape and reg wings with honor amor and a shield ? and once im done gearing i will hae 170ma no prob and about 7.9k crit and 13.6k mdam but how do you have 15.8k dam lmao atm i have 150kma 7.7k crit and 13k mdam lol and do you stat int ma on pve gear and int/stam or stam/hp and stam def ?

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Wednesday, August 26th 2015, 6:52pm

the stats listed in signiture are for mage/scout (so staff), it is still easy to hit 170k on w/m however I just havent updated very many pieces at all in a long while. So for w/m matk is 164k, 13k mdmg, 8k crit (no title - statted all int/matk)

As for pvp gear, I use 1 pvp earring, pvp wings, and 7 piece honor, the rest is my pve gear. For offhand I use either a stam/hp/def statted shield, or a stam/hp/mdef statted tali, depending who we face. Honor gear and earring are mostly all statted 4 stam/hp 2 stam/def, with a couple stam/mdef throw in.
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Wednesday, August 26th 2015, 7:04pm

the stats listed in signiture are for mage/scout (so staff), it is still easy to hit 170k on w/m however I just havent updated very many pieces at all in a long while. So for w/m matk is 164k, 13k mdmg, 8k crit (no title - statted all int/matk)

As for pvp gear, I use 1 pvp earring, pvp wings, and 7 piece honor, the rest is my pve gear. For offhand I use either a stam/hp/def statted shield, or a stam/hp/mdef statted tali, depending who we face. Honor gear and earring are mostly all statted 4 stam/hp 2 stam/def, with a couple stam/mdef throw in.
nice lol thanks for the help and is it anyway i can get ibw if i messed up or get something to help me rival it

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Wednesday, August 26th 2015, 9:01pm

I had started a thread on that in the suggestions, however it got buried without a second look into it. I have asked several GM's and all say that at the moment it is not possible, have even had people send in tickets to no success on fixing their siege titles line. :/ I do not yet have Iron Bloodwill, and am currently on the right course, however those who made one mistake should not have 2 years of sieging gone to waste in the long road to Iron Bloodwill.
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Thursday, August 27th 2015, 2:34am

I had started a thread on that in the suggestions, however it got buried without a second look into it. I have asked several GM's and all say that at the moment it is not possible, have even had people send in tickets to no success on fixing their siege titles line. :/ I do not yet have Iron Bloodwill, and am currently on the right course, however those who made one mistake should not have 2 years of sieging gone to waste in the long road to Iron Bloodwill.
word you right it sucks how do you knowif you made a mistake tho i think i did but im not sure

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Thursday, August 27th 2015, 2:36am

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Thursday, August 27th 2015, 2:53am





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Pretty sure that fire dmg tali > annelia offhand
is fire dmg tali really that op ?


Yes it is... on t8 HD the fire dmg talisman gives +9.6% fire dmg, since at least half your dmg is fire dmg (more if you're running with a good wl/m), that means just the ghost stat increases your dps by at least 4.8% (try beating that with some matk ghost stat!). you can increase the bonus by tiering higher, which some do even to the extent of tiering it like a weapon and disregarding the bonus they could get from the stats they could've put there.

I did some extensive calculations on the german forum back when betho was released, but I'm currently too lazy to look those up and translate them (they're also a bit outdated), but the gist was: annelias flat mdmg was better before betho was released (kbn wand was in between, depending on sets, but that one lost to the lvl 76 quest reward), but since then the mdmg on the wands has increased to a level where those percentages from the fire talisman benefit you more.
should i t12 it or t8 or t9 statted is better ?

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Thursday, August 27th 2015, 8:00am

I'd say t9 stat it, best of both worlds ^.^
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Thursday, August 27th 2015, 9:14am

I'd say t9 stat it, best of both worlds ^.^
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Thursday, August 27th 2015, 1:20pm

To the OP, theres nothing wrong with w/m, wasn't nerfed or anything but m/w is simply better. I have both w/m and m/w to end game lvl gear and tp wise, I just don't see why I would play w/m when i can hit 1m+ matk on m/w with relative ease. That's pve, I don't pvp much but I tend to go as m/p if i do. If you compare cost input vs dps output then w/m imo, is one of the best combo to play in the game and its rather easy to learn the right playing skills (even tho i was using melee gear on my w/m when i first started till lvl 81 cause no one explained to me wth a white hit is.) Ofc for non burn fights I always go as w/m, m/w is just crap in that matter.
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Thursday, August 27th 2015, 6:04pm

Well i actually outdpsed two m/w who outdpsed me on the reg with m/d wl/m s/r & m/wl in party