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Tuesday, October 6th 2015, 8:29pm

The part of his post above that broke the forum rules was removed. Just look for yourself. Intensification
Well he removed everything of mines not just the insulting

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Tuesday, October 6th 2015, 8:38pm

The part of his post above that broke the forum rules was removed. Just look for yourself. Intensification
Well he removed everything of mines not just the insulting

Considering yours was pretty much 90% flaming back at ancientgear whereas his was only a single line.
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Tuesday, October 6th 2015, 8:45pm

The usual haters bashing on a player trying to get some answers for his class, this person is just wanting some input stop being bullies to him. If you cannot accept that someone else posts on the forums and their concerns, move along if you have nothing to add. Would be nice to have a GM put his/her foot down on the same bullies that do this over and over again.

Then we wonder why there isn't more people who posts on the forums, this is what happens. TYVM:dash:

-rolls up sleeve- Let's see if I can unravel this. you say we are "bullying" him because he is just trying to get some input. Well Zid if your class mate kept shouting out the wrong answer and kept insisting it was right when you politely corrected him/her with sufficient evidence would that be bullying? Because many people (with exception of me, cause I like to shake things up) have taken the time to very politely explain to him, the wrong's of his way. eg blankminded(err rovie, I forget the name) explained everything to him in great detail in that god awful w/m thread. Oh but it all fell on deaf ears.

Now I hear you ask why don't I just move along if I have nothing to add? Well that's a very good question sir. I have played both w/m and m/w for a relatively long time now. I have spent a lot of time,effort and money into making my toon and learning (key word there WK)how to max its performance. is my mage top dps every single time? No. am I top dps some times? yes. Am I bottom dps every single time? no. Am I bottom dps some times? yes. Does my mage do enough dps to be in G1? yes. Have I out dpsed end game wd/w and r/m before? yes. Have they out dpsed me? heck yes, more often then I would have liked :p. And then comes this guy, QQ'ing like theres no tomorrow that the combo I play just sucks, and his only reason for such statement is that he gets out dpsed by others too often.

This is what it would be like if WK just wanted some "input".

Scene 1-start

WK: hey fellow mages. I am an end game mage from w/e server. I have x matk y mdmg and z mcrit ub. I run with (insert arbitrary list of fotm classes) and (insert arbitrary list of debuffers) these debuffers. This is my burn rotation(insert arbitrary list of skills). But I feel like my dps is kind of low. So I was just wandering if any of you would help me find out whats going's wrong. What skills do you guys use, and what's your rotation and how can I better myself.

Scene 1-end

If only it was like that -sigh-

This is actually whats happening

Scene 2-start

WK:WHAAAAAA WHAAAAA MOMMY(ie RW) that darn wd/w keeps out dpsing me. I deserve to be better, I deserve to be buffed so I can spam the same skills with the same gear and out dps the wd/w with out any attempts to better myself.

Mommy: Well there there dear. Mommy understands -pats on the back-. You just hang in there mommy will fix everything and teach you a great lesson about life while doing so.

4 months later poor old ancientgear waits few hours to download and install the new patch and has damn near heart attack when he finds out that Mommy nerfed the living crap out of mage skills.



Scene 2-end

Because that is exactly what happens every time someone really starts to qq about a combo being too op or deserving to be more op. Rw just nerfs the Op combo(which doesn't benefit anyone, just annoys people. casing point, K/W) or they nerf the combo people were qq'ing about and all of a sudden everyone realises how good that said combo actually was and how bad it has become.

TO WK, its sad to say that they deleted the last big post you made, I would have liked to quote it where I have been called a noob. Well I am a noob, the noobest of noobs and I AM PROUND OF IT. But doesn't matter where I am on the noob scale, there are many more experienced and respectable end game w/m and m/w's in this community. And the fact that not a single one of them agree's with any of the stuff you say, should be enough of an evidence as to how "valid" your points are.

The fact that you keep comparing your dps to wd/w and r/m leads me to believe that you don't really care whether mages are made strong or not or that you know what it is to play as a team and not individual members. You just want to be top dps every single time and you just happen to be a mage. I am sure if you were a wd/w and a skilled mage kept out dpsing you, you would come up with some equally absurd reasons to get mages nerfed or wd's buffed.

As someone who has a capped wd (because I doubt you do) and a set of orange stated melee gear I would like to say why don't you go make an end game wd, and see how much it costs you to make that vs an end game mage. Dps wd's are the most expensive combo in game. I have a pathetic 152k ub matk on my mage, 95% yellow stats. last time I made a piece of gear was when lvl 90 cap came out. The highest value stat I have is int/matk eon, yellow and I only have that on like 7 of my pieces. All my accs aren't even plussed to 16, I don't have hoe set, pomh dmg set, my staff is now 3 caps old and yet I can still easily obliterate mdef cap in coeh. I doubt a wd geared like I am on my mage would be able to get away with that. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Rw, gf ,rom these are all businesses, not charities. I can(as long as I am not an egotistical maniac) upgrade my mage gear and swap set every 2-3 cap and still do my part of the dps in end game burns. wd's and rouges have to stay on top of every cap if they want to keep doing insane dps.

I don't want mages to get nerfed. SO PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE GOD STOP ALL THESE POINTLESS QQ'S, YOU AREN'T CONVINCING ANYONE (and I am not even being mean, that's just the truth).
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Tuesday, October 6th 2015, 9:20pm

Before the forum mods come through and close this thread, please just cleanup... I would like this topic to remain open.

Everybody hop on the topic train. (The on-topic train...)

Intensification is good, at level like... < 30. And that because its a raw number. I'd like to see something new and spiffy done with it. The eruption thing wasn't a bad idea. I actually like it. I don't know the actual eruption chance for normal mages, although I'm almost 100% sure it can't be above 5%. I'm guessing its about 2%. For m/p's it may be closer to 5-7%. I'd like to see a scaling number for eruption.

Start at 1% and add another 0.2% every level. So at level 50 that's 11%. at 100 it would be 21%. That's added on top of the whatever number currently. Eruption effectively deals the flame damage again... And a ~25% (30ish for M/P) would be great. That means every 1/4 flames (Max cast speed we get like 4 flames off a second?(Chances are 5 isn't gonna happen without M/WD)). So effectively this will increase DPS by 25% for an existing burn on a mage. That's actually very helpful. And I don't want to hear M/W OP nonsense. Because even a geared to the teeth one, is gonna do like, significantly (Guessing around 33%) less than another burn class, such as WD/W... Mages suck. Intensification sucks. SO does a lot of mage skills TBH. Buff something, they don't use. There is a reason they are only spamming flame. Rouge's don't just walk into a boss and spam Low blow. They actually do a rotation.

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Tuesday, October 6th 2015, 9:51pm

Speaking of which, while at it, for r/m, make Intensification the following ala k/m, then we poor rogues/mages who have no pdam/pa buffs will be happy.

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Doubles the effect time of Intensification and increases the Physical damage dealt by you.
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Tuesday, October 6th 2015, 9:54pm

Quoted from "TWMXC"



WK your dps would probably look fine/"op" in a coordinated endgame group.
It does but it's hard to get that kind of party together and peeps miss out on runs because of it

So you want god dps without putting in the wwork to earn it.

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Tuesday, October 6th 2015, 11:13pm

I would like to see a rework of the magic class in general.

The idea of having mult class combos is useless if only 2 of the combos are worth using in dungeons.

M/W is used in dungeons but that is manly because of the 2 gear sets..and they only reason RW allows this is because it makes the player spend more money as they have to gear 2 gear sets for 1 class combo.

M/WD is useful for burn fights, you get that awesome 22+ flames in first 5 secs, but should a fight last longer then 20 secs..you will fall behind in damage.

I am sure it is safe to say that all the other magic combos are not worth even thinking about in dungeons other then m/wl because it boosts the damage of the real damage dealers in the party.

Honestly, the gap in power of class combos is so big i don't think anything can ever been done.

Then you have this annoying thing where if the combo in not good for PVE it might be good for PVP....

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Tuesday, October 6th 2015, 11:29pm

Not that I expect anything that major or the willingness to do it, I can understand the point of view about the reworking of magic classes. As always, probably better if they don't, since the end result could be even worse than status quo.

As for the negativity towards one poster, I'm not condoning, but do understand. In the w/m thread, it was his responsibility to prove there was logic and reason behind his request. He did not and resorted to a second account to agree with him. Which is very annoying. Very similar to the diamond buying welsher on Reni who was called out in wc some time ago. Magically a new player emerged claiming he had bought out this account, like that would actually mean anything, but miraculously typed grammatically and idiomatically exactly like the welsher. Such tactics 'annoy' people.

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Tuesday, October 6th 2015, 11:34pm

maybe make intensification increase eruption chance for the next flame/fireball if another skill is cast first?

I'm thinking sort of like plasma arrow charged state -> electric explosion type of thing. you get like 50% eruption chance every flame/fireball if you cast something else before it while under intensification.

either that or you build up eruption damage bonus every cast until it is triggered (+5-10% damage per cast). could also have a stacking proc chance buff as well.

make a rotation (if you can call alternating casts a rotation) worthwhile, but not overpowered.
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Wednesday, October 7th 2015, 1:31am

Hell make the skill work on DoTs and i would be happy...

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Wednesday, October 7th 2015, 1:44am

Is that every boss ?

lol, so all you want is for Mage to be so strong so you'll be top of the scrut every boss?

M/WD is useful for burn fights, you get that awesome 22+ flames in first 5 secs, but should a fight last longer then 20 secs..you will fall behind in damage.

I am sure it is safe to say that all the other magic combos are not worth even thinking about in dungeons other then m/wl because it boosts the damage of the real damage dealers in the party.
If the boss is not dead in 20 seconds it means the others didn't do their part. M/Wd would still do their same 60m+ dmg on the first 6 seconds. Everyone else will just catch up. Unless it's like 5th CoE, GUESS WHAT, THAT'S WHERE W/M IS OP *GASP*

It depends on the party. M/D was a highly kept secret by Astral not long ago. They'd blur out the debuffs on bosses xD

So there's 4 viable Mages primaries, with Wl/M, K/M, W/M being other viable magic classes.

I would really like to see a D/R DPS in one of Astral's parties. M/D and the works. Make it happen guys.



Cike's suggestions are a total overhaul. Would be kinda cool but why "fix" something that's not broken... too much. At least the overhaul on R/M and Warden were justified. Maybe a small buff through Eruption like the others suggested would be better imo.
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Wednesday, October 7th 2015, 1:46am

Cike's suggestions are a total overhaul. Would be kinda cool but why "fix" something that's not broken... too much. At least the overhaul on R/M and Warden were justified. Maybe a small buff through Eruption like the others suggested would be better imo.

agreed 100%

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I would really like to see a D/R DPS in one of Astral's parties. M/D and the works. Make it happen guys.

agreed 100%
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

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Wednesday, October 7th 2015, 1:48am

K/m would be terrifying with that type of buff lasting 40 seconds
Every mage would benefit from that immensely.
W/m would be slightly better for about 10 hits.

Not many people would be rerolling to mage over their existing class. All of your posts are about buffing your w/m class. Almost every person on the forum is telling you there is nothing wrong with the class, nor does it need a buff. It is a sustained dps class with lots of other utility. Don't like it? then change your class. Don't go around suggesting changes to abilities for classes you won't even acknowledge as feasible.

Lots of classes get big reductions to skills, or did we all forget that rogues lost a good chunk of throw/combo throw damage? W/m is not unique in that regard
You speak as if i am a noob and idk what i am talking about i assure you i do it it yall who are jumping the gun and are not listening any mage class in general has to stat all int/ma with all int or ma related runes plus 20 the gear and t12 their wep and t8 and 9 their amor and they still cant put out as much dps as they should with a ma party and even with an ma party alot of mage classes are lacking not even can gear up that nicely to do an good amount in ma party and they shouldnt have to have a ma party to do good dps

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Wednesday, October 7th 2015, 1:50am

K/m would be terrifying with that type of buff lasting 40 seconds
Every mage would benefit from that immensely.
W/m would be slightly better for about 10 hits.

Not many people would be rerolling to mage over their existing class. All of your posts are about buffing your w/m class. Almost every person on the forum is telling you there is nothing wrong with the class, nor does it need a buff. It is a sustained dps class with lots of other utility. Don't like it? then change your class. Don't go around suggesting changes to abilities for classes you won't even acknowledge as feasible.

Lots of classes get big reductions to skills, or did we all forget that rogues lost a good chunk of throw/combo throw damage? W/m is not unique in that regard
You speak as if i am a noob and idk what i am talking about i assure you i do it it yall who are jumping the gun and are not listening any mage class in general has to stat all int/ma with all int or ma related runes plus 20 the gear and t12 their wep and t8 and 9 their amor and they still cant put out as much dps as they should with a ma party and even with an ma party alot of mage classes are lacking not even can gear up that nicely to do an good amount in ma party and they shouldnt have to have a ma party to do good dps

wut

people only speak as if you are a noob because you are making statements that nobody who is actually informed would be making.
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Wednesday, October 7th 2015, 1:54am

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The usual haters bashing on a player trying to get some answers for his class, this person is just wanting some input stop being bullies to him. If you cannot accept that someone else posts on the forums and their concerns, move along if you have nothing to add. Would be nice to have a GM put his/her foot down on the same bullies that do this over and over again.
Then we wonder why there isn't more people who posts on the forums, this is what happens. TYVM
-rolls up sleeve- Let's see if I can unravel this. you say we are "bullying" him because he is just trying to get some input. Well Zid if your class mate kept shouting out the wrong answer and kept insisting it was right when you politely corrected him/her with sufficient evidence would that be bullying? Because many people (with exception of me, cause I like to shake things up) have taken the time to very politely explain to him, the wrong's of his way. eg blankminded(err rovie, I forget the name) explained everything to him in great detail in that god awful w/m thread. Oh but it all fell on deaf ears.
Now I hear you ask why don't I just move along if I have nothing to add? Well that's a very good question sir. I have played both w/m and m/w for a relatively long time now. I have spent a lot of time,effort and money into making my toon and learning (key word there WK)how to max its performance. is my mage top dps every single time? No. am I top dps some times? yes. Am I bottom dps every single time? no. Am I bottom dps some times? yes. Does my mage do enough dps to be in G1? yes. Have I out dpsed end game wd/w and r/m before? yes. Have they out dpsed me? heck yes, more often then I would have liked :p. And then comes this guy, QQ'ing like theres no tomorrow that the combo I play just sucks, and his only reason for such statement is that he gets out dpsed by others too often.
This is what it would be like if WK just wanted some "input".
Scene 1-start
WK: hey fellow mages. I am an end game mage from w/e server. I have x matk y mdmg and z mcrit ub. I run with (insert arbitrary list of fotm classes) and (insert arbitrary list of debuffers) these debuffers. This is my burn rotation(insert arbitrary list of skills). But I feel like my dps is kind of low. So I was just wandering if any of you would help me find out whats going's wrong. What skills do you guys use, and what's your rotation and how can I better myself.
Scene 1-end
If only it was like that -sigh-
This is actually whats happening
Scene 2-start
WK:WHAAAAAA WHAAAAA MOMMY(ie RW) that darn wd/w keeps out dpsing me. I deserve to be better, I deserve to be buffed so I can spam the same skills with the same gear and out dps the wd/w with out any attempts to better myself.
Mommy: Well there there dear. Mommy understands -pats on the back-. You just hang in there mommy will fix everything and teach you a great lesson about life while doing so.
4 months later poor old ancientgear waits few hours to download and install the new patch and has damn near heart attack when he finds out that Mommy nerfed the living crap out of mage skills.
Scene 2-end
Because that is exactly what happens every time someone really starts to qq about a combo being too op or deserving to be more op. Rw just nerfs the Op combo(which doesn't benefit anyone, just annoys people. casing point, K/W) or they nerf the combo people were qq'ing about and all of a sudden everyone realises how good that said combo actually was and how bad it has become.
TO WK, its sad to say that they deleted the last big post you made, I would have liked to quote it where I have been called a noob. Well I am a noob, the noobest of noobs and I AM PROUND OF IT. But doesn't matter where I am on the noob scale, there are many more experienced and respectable end game w/m and m/w's in this community. And the fact that not a single one of them agree's with any of the stuff you say, should be enough of an evidence as to how "valid" your points are.
The fact that you keep comparing your dps to wd/w and r/m leads me to believe that you don't really care whether mages are made strong or not or that you know what it is to play as a team and not individual members. You just want to be top dps every single time and you just happen to be a mage. I am sure if you were a wd/w and a skilled mage kept out dpsing you, you would come up with some equally absurd reasons to get mages nerfed or wd's buffed.
As someone who has a capped wd (because I doubt you do) and a set of orange stated melee gear I would like to say why don't you go make an end game wd, and see how much it costs you to make that vs an end game mage. Dps wd's are the most expensive combo in game. I have a pathetic 152k ub matk on my mage, 95% yellow stats. last time I made a piece of gear was when lvl 90 cap came out. The highest value stat I have is int/matk eon, yellow and I only have that on like 7 of my pieces. All my accs aren't even plussed to 16, I don't have hoe set, pomh dmg set, my staff is now 3 caps old and yet I can still easily obliterate mdef cap in coeh. I doubt a wd geared like I am on my mage would be able to get away with that. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Rw, gf ,rom these are all businesses, not charities. I can(as long as I am not an egotistical maniac) upgrade my mage gear and swap set every 2-3 cap and still do my part of the dps in end game burns. wd's and rouges have to stay on top of every cap if they want to keep doing insane dps.
I don't want mages to get nerfed. SO PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE GOD STOP ALL THESE POINTLESS QQ'S, YOU AREN'T CONVINCING ANYONE (and I am not even being mean, that's just the truth).
Lmfao you really wrote a essay bro you cant be serious well i didnt read it but im going to guess what you said mages are good as it wrong even with 6 int/ma and t8 runes and t8 and 9 gear with t 12 wep we need to either use burn gear or have a ma party of 6 to 8 supporters to do viable dps not everyone can gear up that nicely and if you do gear up that nicely you shouldnt need to sets of gear to do good dps nor should you need a party built around your dps thats all im saying and plz get a life its not healthy to write a whole essay for one person get well soon

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Wednesday, October 7th 2015, 1:56am

Lmfao you really wrote a essay bro you cant be serious well i didnt read it but im going to guess what you said mages are good as it wrong even with 6 int/ma and t8 runes and t8 and 9 gear with t 12 wep we need to either use burn gear or have a ma party of 6 to 8 supporters to do viable dps not everyone can gear up that nicely and if you do gear up that nicely you shouldnt need to sets of gear to do good dps nor should you need a party built around your dps thats all im saying and plz get a life its not healthy to write a whole essay for one person get well soon

news flash. all the other dps classes need the same level of gear. if anything, w/m could get by with /less/ gear than r/m or wdn/w.
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Wednesday, October 7th 2015, 2:22am

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You speak as if i am a noob and idk what i am talking about i assure you
i do it it yall who are jumping the gun and are not listening any mage
class in general has to stat all int/ma with all int or ma related runes
plus 20 the gear and t12 their wep and t8 and 9 their amor and they
still cant put out as much dps as they should with a ma party and even
with an ma party alot of mage classes are lacking not even can gear up
that nicely to do an good amount in ma party and they shouldnt have to
have a ma party to do good dps


I did top-2nd DPS quite a few times when I was the only Mage in the whole raid. If I recall correctly, only thing special was Wl/M and that gives huge buffs to Melee too through Surge and Warp. So it really wasn't there just for me.
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Wednesday, October 7th 2015, 2:22am

this has got to be some kind of giant troll
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Wednesday, October 7th 2015, 2:24am


this has got to be some kind of giant troll

Would be an epic one tbh. Everyone trying so hard to beat some sense he might bleed out.
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Wednesday, October 7th 2015, 2:29am

hes pretty relentless

reminds me of the rogue vs k/m thread
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