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Thursday, November 26th 2015, 2:18pm

Tactical smash

Sooooo...until recently I was under the impression that ts19 was a 10% pdef reduction. Didn't make too big of a deal about it because I didn't have the title anyways, and it was only 10% I thought. But I was made aware today that it's in fact a 20% pdef reduction.



Fire training- 10% increase in attack and spell casting speed.

Soliders Attack- 5% boost in patk and matk, 10% boost in attack speed and spell casting speed.

Midnight Ritual- Lowers targets mdef and pdef by 10%.

Iron blood will- Increases all dmg dealt by 20%

Tactical Smash 19- Reduces pdef by 20%.



Ummm what the hell? Where's the mdef? I thought the title chart was meant to help all classes in the same manner?
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REACHED 13.57M PDEF ON 29/09/2016, NO SIGIL, HAIDON, ZODIAC OR RELATIONSHIP BUFF.

Retired until mages are buffed or melee's are nerfed

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Thursday, November 26th 2015, 2:57pm

Don't forget sapping arrow stacks withmagic seeds as well as m/D, yes it requires extra classes but you can lower mdef much lower. Also I think pdef is naturally higher? But idk for sure, don't remember.

Edit:Forgot about mage also xD
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Thursday, November 26th 2015, 3:02pm

but in overall you can decrease Mdef more than Pdef.

Mdef:
16,7% Druid
15% S/R
33,2% M/D
10% M
30% M/C
10% Ritual

Pdef:
16,7% Druid
20% Tactical
30% M/C
10% Ritual
16% Ch/M

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Thursday, November 26th 2015, 4:17pm

basically every magic attack buff out there stacks


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gimme amp+awakening+skill that doesn't even exist yet. i want equality.
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Thursday, November 26th 2015, 6:32pm

also remember that magic dps can get a % damage increase from d/wd where as physical need to be happy with a flat increase with d/w
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Thursday, November 26th 2015, 7:10pm

but in overall you can decrease Mdef more than Pdef.

Mdef:
16,7% Druid
15% S/R
33,2% M/D
10% M
30% M/C
10% Ritual

Pdef:
16,7% Druid
20% Tactical
30% M/C
10% Ritual
16% Ch/M

Typical burn raid configuration

G1

5 dps (mix of melee/mage)

wl/m (universal and is a must)

G2

d/wd or d/w (healer...kinda need one)

k/p (universal and is a must)

k/w (universal and is a must unless you got strong wd tank/dps)

wd/s (universal and is a must)

ch/p (universal and is a must)

m/wl (universal and is a must)



so there really is no space to bring almost any of these class combo you mention, unless you give up one dps. And even then m/d is only viable if majority of the g1 dps are mages. And idk about Mithras, but there are no mage only dps guild in erebos even though there are more than enough end game geared w/m and m/w (with fully functional swap set) scattered about the server to make one. Where as regardless of whether the g1 dps are mainly melee or mainly mage, anyone of the 12 ppl in the raid can use ts19, regardless of their class combo.



basically every magic attack buff out there stacks


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gimme amp+awakening+skill that doesn't even exist yet. i want equality.


Awakening of the wild gives patk and pdmg boost. Just because you only have one buff slot taken up that doesn't mean its only one buff, so not really sure where you are going with this.

Argument can be made d/wd mdmg buff is % based where as d/w pdmg buff is raw boost. But most warriors and wds are sitting at almost 3 times the mdmg of a mage, almost 2 times in case of rogues, without even buffing...equality indeed.
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ROM's one and only pure stam/pdef stated tank

REACHED 13.57M PDEF ON 29/09/2016, NO SIGIL, HAIDON, ZODIAC OR RELATIONSHIP BUFF.

Retired until mages are buffed or melee's are nerfed

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Thursday, November 26th 2015, 9:19pm

You don't *need* a k/p. Also, what if one of your dps is a wd/s? Then you don't need another wd/s. So, you can then bring a s/r (which can also be a good dps). Now, if the party is mainly magical, you can then bring the m/d.
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Thursday, November 26th 2015, 9:47pm

We run with people on Wd/S. Still in group two unless he switches to Wd/W or W/Wd. Rarely does he stay in g1 as a DPS when on Wd/S. Before people start hating, it's just optimization.

Only ones I agree that are a must is Ch/P and M/Wl and Wl/M.




basically every magic attack buff out there stacks

gimme amp+awakening+skill that doesn't even exist yet. i want equality.
I would happily trade stackable matk buffs (make M/P, P/S, D/Wd overwrite each other) for 20% mdef reduc on tac smash. Way less work for me.
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Thursday, November 26th 2015, 11:24pm

s/r and s/w are both better buffers(or debuffer in that case) that k/p, but k/p is much easier to find. the only must have buffers really are m/wl and wl/m. k/w, wd/s, ch/p are pretty close to must have. if you have 5 dps and the must have buffer leaves about 1-2 open spots, the rest of the group doesn't really matter, could argue w/ch is actually better then k/p in a warrior party for instance.
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Friday, November 27th 2015, 1:44am

i will happily trade nothing for stacking buffs

im just a low pa rogue

let me dream
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Friday, November 27th 2015, 7:23am

Must be just awful to have to do less work and have lower pa and still do endgame viable dps. My heart bleeds for the rogues.
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Friday, November 27th 2015, 10:43pm

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