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Wednesday, December 30th 2015, 8:38pm

Wand vs Staff

Is the only reason that wand is better because of the extra magic attack and 6% fire dmg from tali, since Mdam/attack speed doesn't seem any higher for crafted wands compared to crafted staves?
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Wednesday, December 30th 2015, 9:12pm

Wouldn't a normal staff be best for most M/X sort of combos? Other than that the only thing I've thing outside of that is that wand is good for Warrior/Mage, but outside of that I'm unsure of what it is really good for outside of that combo to use anything else besides a staff for magic users.

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Wednesday, December 30th 2015, 9:48pm

Wouldn't a normal staff be best for most M/X sort of combos? Other than that the only thing I've thing outside of that is that wand is good for Warrior/Mage, but outside of that I'm unsure of what it is really good for outside of that combo to use anything else besides a staff for magic users.
I am asking about W/M, not mage.
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Wednesday, December 30th 2015, 11:56pm

So you're either smoking something really strong or you are trolling cuz I don't see anything that corroborates your claim anywhere. IP2 or CP. I just checked Wands for Lv95-Lv100 and they're all 2.6 atk speed.

Unless you're looking at higher level Staves that are named "'X' Wand" because of bad translations. Then yeah... uh they're staves.

Or, mind posting screenies?
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Thursday, December 31st 2015, 12:06am

I believe Ruisen meant take the magic damage divide it by the atk speed of the weapon, and the number comes out to being the same.

The simple answer to why a wand is better is because in a burn you reach your maximum white hitting speed, a wand at max speed is able to hit nearly twice as fast as a staff at max speed, however the mdmg difference is closer to 3/4 and not 1/2. Meaning the wand will end up doing more damage. It will also do more damage outside of burns on mobs because as you said, you will have a higher fire damage and greater magical attack as part of it.

ps- M/R and Wl/R use wands instead of staves as well, however for a completely different reason.
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Thursday, December 31st 2015, 12:18am

The simple answer to why a wand is better is because in a burn you reach your maximum white hitting speed, a wand at max speed is able to hit nearly twice as fast as a staff at max speed, however the mdmg difference is closer to 3/4 and not 1/2. Meaning the wand will end up doing more damage. It will also do more damage outside of burns on mobs because as you said, you will have a higher fire damage and greater magical attack as part of it.

also, any mdam from armor will have a greater effect with wands than staves.
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The simple answer to why a wand is better is because in a burn you reach your maximum white hitting speed, a wand at max speed is able to hit nearly twice as fast as a staff at max speed, however the mdmg difference is closer to 3/4 and not 1/2. Meaning the wand will end up doing more damage.

Why would this be so? Both have their attack speeds reduced by the same %, so if a staff is 1.4 times slower without CD's, it should still only be 1.4 times slower with CD's.

And what is the attack speed cap? Do you need frenzy potion to hit it on wand, or would crit pot be better?
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Thursday, December 31st 2015, 2:09am

You also get a second recon rune. As someone who tanks, having dps not die on trash is the best benefit.

Frenzy potion does nto stack with strong stim.

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Thursday, December 31st 2015, 2:24am

You also get a second recon rune. As someone who tanks, having dps not die on trash is the best benefit.

Frenzy potion does nto stack with strong stim.
So there's no equivalent of Arcane potion for melee?
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Thursday, December 31st 2015, 2:28am


Frenzy potion
does nto stack with strong stim.
It just doesn't stack like magic ones.

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Thursday, December 31st 2015, 3:14am

Physical damage dealers can use

1 attack speed potion (frenzy or strong stim)
+ 1 [attack power] or [crit potion]

at once. You can use frenzy potion after the strong stim wears off.

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Thursday, December 31st 2015, 6:44am

New staffs with crit will own wands :D sike nah make wand speed 2 and staff speed 3 again and give wands crit and w/m 100% light burn

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Thursday, December 31st 2015, 9:04am



The simple answer to why a wand is better is because in a burn you reach your maximum white hitting speed, a wand at max speed is able to hit nearly twice as fast as a staff at max speed, however the mdmg difference is closer to 3/4 and not 1/2. Meaning the wand will end up doing more damage.

Why would this be so? Both have their attack speeds reduced by the same %, so if a staff is 1.4 times slower without CD's, it should still only be 1.4 times slower with CD's.

And what is the attack speed cap? Do you need frenzy potion to hit it on wand, or would crit pot be better?
Even though the potions say they are decreasing it to a certain amount, there is a cap at which a 2-h staff can white hit, and a cap to how fast a 1-h wand can white hit. Being that wand is almost 2 times as fast when reaching speed cap (which you do when in a boss burn) compared to a 2-h staff, the only way a staff would keep up or be better is if the damage on it was 2x that of the equal level wand. Hope that makes sense...

As for pots, use strong stim + crit potion, and if fight lasts longer than 25 seconds you can use the frenzy potion once stim runs out.
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Thursday, December 31st 2015, 6:08pm

Oh, I see, that makes sense, ty :)
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Sunday, January 3rd 2016, 4:56pm

Should I be using a raid rune in Tali? Or does that do nothing?
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Sunday, January 3rd 2016, 5:22pm

Does nothing. Use recon judge miracle burst.
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Monday, January 4th 2016, 6:53am

Oh ok, thanks :)
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Saturday, January 16th 2016, 2:43pm

Is accuracy runes in mainhand or offhand shield any good for siege? Or do we have so little Pacc that it won't make a difference? I get dodged a lot even by tanks lol.

Also, if the white attack gets absorbed (mage shield, C/M barrier), will the magic damage still go off?
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Saturday, January 16th 2016, 7:45pm

They work. Wow, just noticed you said offhand shield. They're weapon only runes man.

Proc still goes off. Only exception is Mage/Scout (but they have other advantages).
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Saturday, January 16th 2016, 8:54pm

They work. Wow, just noticed you said offhand shield. They're weapon only runes man.

considering this is a w/m thread, i think (correct me if i am wrong) that ruisen meant tali.

weapon runes in tali's are not entirely unheard of O.o
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