Runes of Magic US / AU

rom is a burn because rw almost design it to be a burn. lets just look at grotto, couple mobs in your at 1st, half a dozen mobs after your at 2nd boss. ill like to go back to the days where trash lasted more then 30 sec before each boss. what rom needs to do is not allow bosses to be burn and thats for them to fix. burn has been a problem since RT days, RW never cap tiering on weapons/armors/accesories, never stop lute and tamb from stacking. people find out about more buffs stacking and we're at where we are today. just look at this event rom is pushing for more burn with +20s. boss burn is what they letting us do, this also hurts siege/pvp as it is already bad enough. the dmg scaling in this game is so f up atm and will only get worse.

If bringing a support class lowers overall party DPS, doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of a support class though?

Xamd, I dunno what kind of crazy unlimited budget you have, but for a lot of us, dying repeatedly for no gains aside from "fun" isn't fun.

Now, give me a challenging instance that has nifty new upgrades that make me excited about loot, make it really hard, make it strat-heavy... and I guarantee you that every single core player, even the shy ones that never talk, will be in vent talking up strategy and new things to try, and we'll all stay up too late and we'll all get punchy from lack of sleep, and we'll all be ridiculously excited for days until we get the bosses down. We will spend a gazillion dias and a gazillion gold and die a billion times and waste a ton of resources and we won't care. We will have fun.

And then we will feel like we've accomplished something worthwhile, we will know our teammates better, we will have built lasting friendships, we will be proud, and rightly so, of ourselves.

And that's why I play this game.

It almost sounds to me like that's the experience you're looking to recreate- and you've already have to have had that experience on Indigo, since you all had to work so hard to get Beth and Grotto down- a lot harder than the rest of us did, since we walked in and cleared in an hour on release day.

And half of us logged off and haven't logged in since.

The rest of us are hanging out with the people we love and marking time til the next instance, really hoping we get a real one this time. Really, really hoping. And some of us pass the time with other games. I was retired against my will and came back against my better judgement, and god knows, the people who miss me in "that other game" bug me constantly to come back, and I probably will.

But what I play RoM for is that moment in Grafu when Barkud finally dies. After 21 nights of staying up til 4 am and going to work at 9 am, of getting drunk and crying because it was so good.

And I sure as hell am never going to get that out of Beth or Grotto, even if I take all my gear off. I don't want substitute fun. I want real fun. If that's what is fun for you, Xamd, then I would never diss it. I don't think experimenting with weird classes or trying new stuff is bad, by all means if you can afford it, and you enjoy it, do it! And tell us all the new neat things you learned from it. But I know what I like, and I know what I want, and that isn't it.

When i advise a new player on how to choose a class, i always start with "play what you want to play. by the time you get leveled and geared, the current FotM may be nerfed to oblivion." That being said, i still tell them straight up whats top dps/tank/heals at the moment, but i also tell them my personal favorite classes and what are fun to me and why. i've found that the people that pick an unusual class combo with no aspirations of being uber-endgame, and just try to have fun are, not surprisingly, the people that have the most fun(not knocking anything about endgame btw, if that's your thing, go for it).

That's the thing with RoM. FotM is exactly that. flavour of the month. it's fickle. heck, i remember when the first endgame rogue on our server rerolled from r/wdn to r/m the first day of the new elites. we all laughed our butts off at him. he kept telling everyone he was gonna be top dps with it. nobody believed him except a couple people. because they actually talked with him and looked at the new elites(then they rerolled too). sure enough, r/m became the top dps class, and everybody followed him(not that they will admit that ).

The US has one thing that other regions don't. we will pioneer new classes, combos, and builds. the germans(and to a lesser extent, the rest of EU) just take US ingenuity and push it to the max with epic gear.

while RoM may be about burns, even more important is to have fun. if endgame bosses dead in 5-7 sec is your thing, i'm not gonna look down on it. if taking your time, running the most unorthodox group(where everybody loves their combo and knows it inside and out) you can is your thing, by all means, have a blast. thats why we have been asking for scaling dungeons, old instance hardmodes and such because we want more challenge. not the "this boss has 100m more HP than usual so we just need to burn harder/better/faster/stronger(that one's for ginger ^.^)" challenge, but a "i have no idea how we'll pull this off with a group like this, but i assume everyone knows what they are doing with their toon, and everybody has some cool thing they can do, so lets go for it" challenge.

seriously though, most people know i love running instances for fun(when i don't need gear or anything). i(at least used to, before i got busy) would grab a healer and some dps and maybe a tank just to see what the group could do. and since most of my friends are like me(play the class they love, no matter whether it's FotM or not, and are honestly epic at it whatever it is), it makes some interesting groups. i remember one time we had the healer tanking with 1/2 dps gear, 1/2 healer gear(yeah, he seriously outgeared us, but like i said, about as random of a group of people/abilities/gear/classes/combos as you can get). the run went fine. another time we had a wdn/d in healer gear as main healer(that one had less success, but you can't heal a one shot, and my gear, as well as a couple others, wasn't quite up to par with the instance ). heck, sometimes i even end up tanking, with my fail glass-cannon gear and awesome(shamelessplug) kiting skills(and lots and lots of immunes/damage mitigation/defense buffs).

i don't know if any1 remembers that long ago, but i used to do a thing(idk, maybe most of the people may have moved on O.o ...makes me feel old lol) every friday and/or saturday night called CEP(cike's epic party). i would inv all my friends(or any1 that was on at the time) that happen to be on(usually had at least a couple of the same people each week), and we would look at each other, look at how far our lvl/skill/gear progressed since we last ran and say "whats something we can run together that is only slightly less than suicidal?". some of my friends would want to try a new char, new class, new build, so we'd figure out what would be an appropriate place and go there. if there was one guy that happen to be way farther along(like at the point to solo whatever we were running, not some small level difference or anything) than the rest, he would be happy to go to his 2ndary or alt to make it a bit more even. even though we spent tons of gold on food, pots, and repairs, and more time than we'd like to admit laying face down, we all had a blast. it was not even close to endgame, but it was still, and even coming from some endgame friends that got on lower chars to come, some of the funnest things we ever did in the game.

point is, it's about fun. if RW/GF isn't delivering the fun you want, you can either walk away until the next release comes out, and hope that one is more fun than current content, or you can make your own fun. yes, ik thats not what people want to hear, game should be fun by itself, blah, blah, blah...but fact is, it's NOT going to be fun for everybody. heck, maybe some guild LOVES burns. the last 2 instances have been like the best thing ever for them. i'm not knocking that either, if thats their thing, burn baby, burn.



/end senseless, mostly off-topic, and kinda pointless rambling with a hint of fan


have fun,
cike

Quoted from "Cike"

That's the thing with RoM. FotM is exactly that. flavour of the month. it's fickle. heck,

I dunno, in this game it seems more apt to call them flavor of the year. And it becomes even more trivial when all that is needed is to change your secondary class and nothing else, ie r/s or r/wd -> r/m. And after the ch3 nerf to go from s/r -> r/s with all the same gear and everything. Somewhat similar for mages who went from m/w to w/m and kept mostly everything the same.

But be a p/w and have fun with your do nothing class whose hybrid gear cant be used for anything else even if u re-roll.

Offtopicly referring to the Beth#2 talking: You can avoid the debuff by popping Serenstum if timed well. Usually works at the 3rd line the boss says. Of course it can be used only once due to CD, but it does buy time.

Well this thread of yours Xamd is pretty interesting and i agree with you on most of it. I truly hope that at level 87 they install more strat like GCH/TOSH and makes bosses double the HP, get adds with 30M HP each, as to where people will do strat to clear it no matter how well geared they think they are. Make it challenging and make it so that if you can't run it, you can't move forward. Maybe then people will learn to play their classes, gear up and learn strats for it.

I do agree that you have a lot of individual that just complain and complain how hard GCH and TOSH are hard on strat, that is what it makes it fun!!! We've had players in TS, we explained the strat, what to do, when to do it and what do they do on annelia?? they try to burn it, aggro everything and then everyone dies. Then they complain that it's too hard and not worth their time, cost of gold, hammers etc. Those for me are not real players, they are just : I WANT IT NOW and truly aren't worth our time.

I love doing food boss in GCH, i love doing Sardo castle etc, they are challenging and reflects what instances should be like.

Some may think that it costs so much gold to play the game and that they have to make sure they do not die or else too costly, well if you are F2P all it costs you is time, so ya.

This is a game not a job or business, you come here to have fun and enjoy the content, if you are not able to do that, what are you doing here?? i've seen way too many control freaks in game and it saddens me to see it. FUN!! i remember the first time Sadakko was nice enough to bring me in Sardo castle, explained the strat, i died a lot, but he was very patient and made it so much fun. Since then i try to repeat the experience with other people and understand why he took his time to run it for me. Make the server better and for me to do it for someone else one day. Which i did and still does today, you encounter people like that in game, helpful, nice, patient and overall generous with their time. People are more inclined in complaining how stuff is and forget to play the game ;-(

To those who enjoy Runes of Magic for what it is, hats off too you.

I think the problem for Gameforge is you have 2 types of players. The hardcore geared to the max guilds on high population servers and you avg player that may not plus 16 everything due to cost or have a T11 instead of T12 staff.

Who do you make the instances for? They can make is so hard it takes PewPew and Heretic a month to clear. Does the avg geared player ever stand a chance at that point? Will you now need to spend 1 grand to complete something on Hard Mode?

Hard Mode is Hard Mode for a reason. It SHOULD be made for the absolute bleeding edge. If you're not the absolute bleeding edge, that's what you have normal and easy modes for. The average player in my opinion shouldn't be able to clear the current endgame on hard mode. What they need to do is make easy/normal mode gear actually viable so that you CAN clear the current normal modes with normal mode gear. It really ought to just be something like the exact same green values with like a 20-30% reduction from hardmode. No more of this accuracy crap on Normal Mode gear. Hard Mode gear + PoM gear shouldn't be the only viable gear in the game, and too often that is the case.

I spend money on the game so I tend to follow the same line of thinking Borella, but there would need to be some way to bridge the gap from normal mode to hard mode. If they make new instances so hard no avg player can run them then how do they become a better player. Less people would sell HM gear due to difficulty. For your idea to work there would need to be something like very good gear that drops on normal mode but not as good hard mode but close.

the main problem is that gearing - statting - plussing - drilling etc cost ALOT noadays. this makes the average player to reluct to "waste" their resources for investing in norm-mode gear. this results in not being able to gear up for hm and the story goes on. most common strategy is to sell stuff, get gold, buy (not-latest) modded stuff from AH. but this ends up to be economics and not gaming..

Quoted from "Mrpushpop"

I spend money on the game so I tend to follow the same line of thinking Borella, but there would need to be some way to bridge the gap from normal mode to hard mode. If they make new instances so hard no avg player can run them then how do they become a better player. Less people would sell HM gear due to difficulty. For your idea to work there would need to be something like very good gear that drops on normal mode but not as good hard mode but close.

There are viable normal mode sets for rogues/scouts and healers. Wardens / warriors / champs can use the leather sets or use crafted chain pieces. Tanks are kind of SOL, but atleast on reni tank gear isnt super expensive. I got tatha's peices at 10-15k each not counting chest. No one wants to use these because they think "ew normal mode, thats not good gear" but it is. A party of rogue/x a tank and heals in beth normal/lvl 80 crafted gear could clear beth hard. Im sure wardens would hold up to the same standard. Mages might have a bit more of a rough time, i never found a normal mode / crafted set combination that really worked well. Atleast on leather you can get a 4 piece bonus for +3k pa, and still only be using pieces that give pa/hp/crit as ghost stats. which is why i would recomend beth norm/crafted set for chain wearers too. As a physical dps you can use the plague lindworm helm boots gloves and belt, and then choose any pieces you want for pants shoulders and chest. It gives you 4 piece bonus form plague lindworm (all four pieces are hp/crit/pa ghost stats) and leaves 3 slots open for other decent sets. Acessories are mems/eojs. weapon is expensive, but if that is the only expensive piece, thats ok. Cape is crafted. That set up would litreally get a r/m in grotto hard. Any other r/? combo or warden or champ or w/wd into beth hard.

Healers can do similar set ups with normal and crafted gear simply because healers have a low req for gear. As long as they make sure they have sufficent healing bonus and crit, they will be fine.

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the main problem is that gearing - statting - plussing - drilling etc cost ALOT noadays. this makes the average player to reluct to "waste" their resources for investing in norm-mode gear. this results in not being able to gear up for hm and the story goes on. most common strategy is to sell stuff, get gold, buy (not-latest) modded stuff from AH. but this ends up to be economics and not gaming..

this is only because of perceptions of the players. gearing with resold hm pieces is just as effective as using the set up i listed. As i said in my guide, that set up is better than a tosh hard set of gear. It is compareable to a KBNH set. The only reason people scoff at normal mode gear is because they are not familiar with the pieces and are uneducated.

Quoted from "Darwec"

There are viable normal mode sets for rogues/scouts and healers.

Yes there currently is, However we are talking about making a Hardmode instance so hard that the "big" guilds struggle with it. That means either it is heavy strat or the bosses are tougher than nails or a combo of both. So I doubt under that presumption that Grotto normal mode gear would be good enough.

Quoted from "achilleas1"

the main problem is that gearing - statting - plussing - drilling etc cost ALOT noadays. this makes the average player to reluct to "waste" their resources for investing in norm-mode gear. this results in not being able to gear up for hm and the story goes on. most common strategy is to sell stuff, get gold, buy (not-latest) modded stuff from AH. but this ends up to be economics and not gaming..

Quoted from "Mrpushpop"

Quoted from "Darwec"

There are viable normal mode sets for rogues/scouts and healers.

Yes there currently is, However we are talking about making a Hardmode instance so hard that the "big" guilds struggle with it. That means either it is heavy strat or the bosses are tougher than nails or a combo of both. So I doubt under that presumption that Grotto normal mode gear would be good enough.

Assuming the boss required harder strat and defense remained same, gear wouldent matter.

Quoted from "BlankMinded"

Again, this would go really far in gearing up new players, but wouldn't that make crafted gear useless? Unless of course, crafted gears become a middle ground...in which case why would you use the easy mode instance stuff....hmmm.....idk how to reconcile that.

Crafted gear = you get nice gear without dying Wouldn't be the best, but would be an alternative option to get "decent" normal mode gear for newer players/people who like gathering and relaxing and chatting.

The way it currently works, for rogues, is this: If you cannot afford hard mode pieces, the best set comes out of easy, normal, and crafted pieces. You have to do all three. it should stay this way. Do the easy and crafted first, and from there go try to get the remaining normal mode pieces.

Even for hard mode sets, if you cant afford poms, some of the best sets come out of easy mode dungeons. The only reason to not be running easy mode is because you find it borring / you are lazy. Or you have your gear from it already.