Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "timthum"

To max wl I think is around 900 million Tp. And that is just one class.........wtb 800 Drts for 10 Dias ea.

This ^ fix the tp curve. I'm currently now worrying about farming more tp for my druid, warrior, mage and scout classes just because I know how stupid more of an amount of TP will be needed to plus skills 3 more levels.

Honestly I don't see this as such a huge issue. Unless a class or combo is significantly impaired by not having all their skills maxed then really it is more of a "nice to have" issue not a "need to have" one. In fact, on most of the classes/combos I have played this has not been my experience at all.

Certainly some skills more effective maxed out, but in many cases the improvement is so marginal that the amount of time/effort/resources required to get them there have not really justified it. My strategy is to get the majority of the skills I use within 10 levels of cap which I have found is much more manageable without any significant loss of performance or ability.

Quoted from "Tuulikki"

Unless a class or combo is significantly impaired by not having all their skills maxed

welcome to min/maxing and endgame.


when you are looking for a couple % better in gear, you might as well get that couple % more out of skills. it all ends up adding up.



take blood arrow for example. any scout that is trying to run anything without blood arrow as #1 priority (after masteries) either has no grasp of the class or is just stupid. seriously, if you have to put half your skills to 0 so you can max blood arrow, do it.


that being said, the diminishing returns for increasing cost thing is getting old.

I'm suppose to USE blood arrow??? O.o

But seriously though yes it is, for some classes its not bad but, the fact that more people are leaving and more roles have to be filled means more tp farming for anyone whos left to fill those roles.

For example just to max the skills I use on my scout from 92-95 will require another 179,316,500 tp. For +3 on skills of 1 main class... of which i only play 3 combos of. It's a terrible system in the long run.

Quoted from "Tuulikki"

Honestly I don't see this as such a huge issue. Unless a class or combo is significantly impaired by not having all their skills maxed then really it is more of a "nice to have" issue not a "need to have" one. In fact, on most of the classes/combos I have played this has not been my experience at all.

Certainly some skills more effective maxed out, but in many cases the improvement is so marginal that the amount of time/effort/resources required to get them there have not really justified it. My strategy is to get the majority of the skills I use within 10 levels of cap which I have found is much more manageable without any significant loss of performance or ability.

As cike said, that's why you're not an endgamer. Don't take that as an offense because it wasn't. I'm not an endgamer either.


As far as the new zone goes, we really do need a server merge before a level raise, although this will keep players distracted for a while and buy ROM some more time.

Just switch dailies to TP only when doing them on a max level character. For example, instead of giving 600K xp it gives 600K tp when done on a max level toon.

TP costs are ridiculous right now. Even when farming tp on 200%+ events it takes hours and hours just to level up a couple skills.

The incremental changes at the high levels of each skill don't seem like much but in reality are huge. While each level of a skill may only change by 3 or 4 percent per level the reality is that when you let it slip you eventually find yourself 10 or 20 skill levels behind and 30 to 80 percent lower damage and are never able to catch up. You can never look at as the difference of 1 level but must multiply the level difference many times the difference is not between level 91 and level 92 but most often the difference between 92 and 80 or 60 or 50. Having a rotation of 5 or 6 level 92 skills does far more damage that having 10 skills at level 80.

Quoted from "radeon"

Quoted from "Tuulikki"

Honestly I don't see this as such a huge issue. Unless a class or combo is significantly impaired by not having all their skills maxed then really it is more of a "nice to have" issue not a "need to have" one. In fact, on most of the classes/combos I have played this has not been my experience at all.

Certainly some skills more effective maxed out, but in many cases the improvement is so marginal that the amount of time/effort/resources required to get them there have not really justified it. My strategy is to get the majority of the skills I use within 10 levels of cap which I have found is much more manageable without any significant loss of performance or ability.

As cike said, that's why you're not an endgamer. Don't take that as an offense because it wasn't. I'm not an endgamer either.


As far as the new zone goes, we really do need a server merge before a level raise, although this will keep players distracted for a while and buy ROM some more time.

No offense taken in the least, I'm barely even an active player anymore. But my point remains, the difference IS marginal whether you are at endgame and/or a min/max player or not. As to the argument made that "it all adds up", well, that is probably another discussion all together really. That any instance level would require a group of players to invest the amount needed to max every skill and +20/T8-9 just to be able to be able to complete it says just as much about poor game design as it does the players who would even consider investing that heavily into this game in it's current state. It also really brings up a chicken/egg debate whether players gear out of necessity to compete or if the end game instances are deliberately tuned to wring out the most money possible because they know there are players out there who will pay whatever it takes. Either way, as I said, that is most likely an entirely different discussion and not really germane to my point with regards to the issue of TP.

edit: @aardvark - I don't think anyone will disagree with skills lagging 20+ levels behind as a non-issue. As a further side note, not every combo is a dps one.

Quoted from "radeon"

although this will keep players distracted for a while

Try 1 day lol.

Seriously. I'll come back when the cap increases, level my M/W to 95/95 in a couple hours (if that) like anyone who's been around for more than 1 level cap knows is the case for their toons as well. Anyone with a toon with 3+ classes and some daily resets will have their toons maxed in a few hours too, maybe half a day at the most.

And then when the couple hours it takes to level to 95/95 are done, Il'l hibernate my toon again til level cap 97 when merges still haven't happened and they need another 24 hour distraction

Tbh i dont think TP is an issue much anymore as long as you got fancy Item shop tp pots for one hour... Before i quit this last time .. (i know) i would sell a few things here or there... wait for reset sale... buy a bunch of resets with gold... and spam them for tp, and if i focused i could easily get 100 Million Tp in one hour spamming resets at new daily...

Did it several times for multiple classes... just sell a few shell stats here or there...farmable stuff.... but i guess that would only work with active population that actually buys stuff off the empty auction house now eh?

Well tis still an idea for the future ( hopefully)... for anyone.. who knows maybe new land will have an even better daily....

Quoted from "FarmerTom"

Tbh i dont think TP is an issue much anymore as long as you got fancy Item shop tp pots for one hour... Before i quit this last time .. (i know) i would sell a few things here or there... wait for reset sale... buy a bunch of resets with gold... and spam them for tp, and if i focused i could easily get 100 Million Tp in one hour spamming resets at new daily...

this two seperate ideas?

iirc, tp pots are combat only, so would be minimal for farming dailies....


or am i missing something(your point)?

wow... for tldr version.. or lazy version...
1. Farm some shell stats, sell some easy mode stats, w/e u do to make any gold in the game....
2.. wait for daily reset sale... buy a bunch of resets with gold earned....
3... use the 50% xp/tp pots and 20% tp pots for one hour for dailies... and spam them till you run out.... get minimum 50 mil tp each time sale comes around if you play/farm enough...
i get from new daily like 130k tp per hand in with pots zodiac pet etc... im sure can get more... just a example..


Just giving people a f2p way to get a bunch of tp./

Quoted from "FarmerTom"

wow... for tldr version.. or lazy version...
1. Farm some shell stats, sell some easy mode stats, w/e u do to make any gold in the game....
2.. wait for daily reset sale... buy a bunch of resets with gold earned....
3... use the 50% xp/tp pots and 20% tp pots for one hour for dailies... and spam them till you run out.... get minimum 50 mil tp each time sale comes around if you play/farm enough...
i get from new daily like 130k tp per hand in with pots zodiac pet etc... im sure can get more... just a example..


Just giving people a f2p way to get a bunch of tp./

i apologize for the misunderstanding, thanks for clearing it up!

sorry i talk in circles all the time... even happen to have nonstop arguments with myself too

Pshaw! If you solve your problem, how are you possibly going to feel oppressed and mistreated?

i already had this discussion with you zid....it is the responsibility of the writer to make sure the reader interpreted the message as they intended.

it's not the reader's fault if a vague/poorly worded passage is interpreted wrong.

readers: always ask for clarification if you don't understand, you should never have to "read between the lines" to try and figure out a writer's main point.
writers: never get offended/upset/pissed if somebody asks for clarification, as it essentially means they care enough about your opinion that they want to make sure they are interpreting it correctly.


basic communication skills people.....

I still love you Cike

problem is... im never sober while trolling these forums.. or playing any video games lol. Glad to know zid is usually drunk enough to understand me as well! lmao jkjk

BUT BACK ON TOPIC>>>

95 content came wayy too early imo... no offense if you keep forcefeeding content your gonna lose more and more players...

But i could be wrong... just an opinion.

Barely anyone even has a full 4 piece set from the level 90 instance and that's about to become obsolete because of 95. Why they keep pushing new content so fast makes no sense to me. It doesn't benefit anyone. Endgamers don't want it that fast and midgamers don't need to be level 95 to do minigames.

Midgamers might become able to farm PoM and HoE.