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Friday, September 18th 2015, 5:25pm

Modrune hit the nail on his post and has it nicely put too :beer:

Zeri what you said : stats we currently had become obsolete.


Also when new gear comes out, you gain what? about 100 more on ghost stats? crit by 10 points??, new stats give you an extra 6 points on your attributes per stat?? OMG that is a big difference between endgame and midgame Zeri, is it not?? LMAO. i still have mist/elemental stat on my gear and doing fine. Having to upgrade all your stats on a piece of gear to gain 36 points X 15/16 to an attribute would make you so much more OP, hahaha.


Best example, pick an endgamer, look at their gear, most of the time they will have T7 or T8 older gear with older stats, T12 weapons. It all depends how much money they have to spend on the game. Just to make a point that people can play without the latest, shiniest things.


Your quote Zeri :


The new level caps make these stats and gear seem obsolete due to the new gear and stats being slightly better.



Assumptions is the root of all evil and scares players away, find solutions and stop being so negative :dash: you support the paranoia of gearing with stuff like this.


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Friday, September 18th 2015, 5:27pm

Oye Zid!! You leave my ghost stats outta this!


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Friday, September 18th 2015, 5:50pm

Also when new gear comes out, you gain what? about 100 more on ghost stats? crit by 10 points??, new stats give you an extra 6 points on your attributes per stat?? OMG that is a big difference between endgame and midgame Zeri, is it not?? LMAO. i still have mist/elemental stat on my gear and doing fine. Having to upgrade all your stats on a piece of gear to gain 36 points X 15/16 to an attribute would make you so much more OP, hahaha.

when a new instance comes out, it has what? about a couple million more boss hp? higher critical resistance? new bosses that have an extra thousand defense? omg thats a big difference between last caps content and this caps content zid, is it not? some bosses still have lower critical resistance than older bosses, and they are still hard.


seriously though, all the new gear/stats do is maintain the status quo. it's part of natural gear progression.

that being said, nobody ever sas "yippie, new stats are coming out, good thing i still have all these unused old ones!" the older stats might work for a bit, but eventually they will need to be replaced. they will become obsolete AT SOME POINT. it might not be next cap, or the cap after, but they /will/ be replaced.

iirc, zeri never mentioned anything about /which/ level stats are becoming obsolete, he merely pointed out the fact that with new stats, older ones lose value.
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Friday, September 18th 2015, 6:40pm

Well Cike as usual playing with words to look smarter, it's ok, btw have you ever set foot and cleared higher instances other than HOS/ZS/DL with a group? do you rely solely on other peoples experiences, youtube videos and comments on what is required to play the game or base your comments on personal facts? I have ran higher instances with different groups, some with people who could burn bosses in 20 seconds, some with people where the fight lasted 5 to 8 minutes and cleared it with both groups, GCH/TOSH/KBNH/BETH/GROTTO/PILLARS hardmode have you? ya we wipe sometimes, especially when the knight is using the wrong weapom, sorry Warriorking that was my bad lol, thx for setting me straight haha, but so much fun :)

If you are scared cause a boss has 200M HP and get one shot, just stay out.

Your quote Cike :

seriously though, all the new gear/stats do is maintain the status quo. it's part of natural gear progression.



You do not have to regear/restat every level cap, how is that so hard for you and Zeri to comprehend? i have level 80/85 gear mostly, with older stats on too and have no issues running hardmode. Stop trying to say and scare people by telling them they need the new gear and stats of every level cap to be able to play and enjoy the game, that is a LIE. Most people play this game for PvE aspect of it, not PvP for an hour a day.


And yes i do say YIPPIE!!!!! when new stats comes out and gear especially the crafted one cause i can help people with free gear to enjoy themselves. So do not assume that, and your quote again : nobody ever sas "yippie, new stats are coming out. I know a bunch of people on Reni who can't wait to get the new crafted gear level 95.


You quote Cike :


iirc, zeri never mentioned anything about /which/ level stats are becoming obsolete, he merely pointed out the fact that with new stats, older ones lose value.



How you guys pointed out to me not having to read between the lines on Cerberus post LMAO of course temple/tomb/fear stats are obsolete and have been for 4 years, has anyone sold those stats in the last 4 years?? i've been giving them on white gear to new players so they can level and return them after to pass along someone else.

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Friday, September 18th 2015, 6:47pm

i have level 80/85 gear mostly, with older stats on too and have no issues running hardmode
what hardmode? i can run RT dia too.
Most people play this game for PvE aspect of it, not PvP for an hour a day.
it depends. while there are a lot of people around for the pve, SW also has huge appeal.

Stop trying to say and scare people by telling them they need the new gear and stats of every level cap to be able to play and enjoy the game, that is a LIE.
i'm fairly sure you are putting words into our mouths with this.




the rest of your post isn't even worth replying to, especially when you cut off the 2nd part of a quote to prove your point.
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Friday, September 18th 2015, 6:51pm

There's a difference between reading between the lines and reading things out of context. Kind of like when you quoted cike. You didn't even quote the entirety of what he said (which was even put in quotation marks to signify a sentence one would not say (as per him saying that one would NOT say it)).
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Friday, September 18th 2015, 7:00pm

Zeri you talking about this :

that being said, nobody ever sas "yippie, new stats are coming out





well there should be 2 quotation marks to make it a quotation. As that is written it is pretty clear to me what he is saying or is there some subterfuge on that line that i do not get?? might want to clarify this for the rest of the community, cause i read it as it was written and pretty clear to me.

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Friday, September 18th 2015, 7:04pm

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

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Friday, September 18th 2015, 7:04pm

Let me copy and paste for you zid. I'll even bold it.

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seriously though, all the new gear/stats do is maintain the status quo. it's part of natural gear progression.

that being said, nobody ever sas "yippie, new stats are coming out, good thing i still have all these unused old ones!" the older stats might work for a bit, but eventually they will need to be replaced. they will become obsolete AT SOME POINT. it might not be next cap, or the cap after, but they /will/ be replaced.
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Friday, September 18th 2015, 7:11pm

I think Modrune said it best with his post. I believes we should bury that part of the conversation for now and save them topics for another twenty threads.

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We're just beating a dead horse with an even deader horse that's probably been half eaten by a pair of ravenous wolves that may or may not have been in the acting business some twenty years ago when the Grafu Theatrical Academy of Malevolence Heights was all the rage with young teens aspiring to be successful clowns with bright makeup designed by human dignitaries from the southeast that had no business in clowning, but had rather reputable painting companies owned by the notorious pirate, Herl Clancy Grafu Von Warwick I who later settled down with a Limon in a quiet little place at the edge of Tergothan Bay so that he could persue his dreams of building the perfect window finishing for a crochety old man who owned a sailboat that now lies at the bottom of the bay in great heaps of wood and angry seaturtles.


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Friday, September 18th 2015, 7:13pm

He literally said exactly what you were trying to say Zid with the rest of his quote that you left out. :dash:

Also, just cause someone doesn't run as much content does not mean they don't know there stuff, I don't know Cike very well however I do know he does his research, and he does it well, putting ideas to the test before spreading randomness about something.

And with your Ideology of "I've run more stuff then you so I know better" Well then I guess I got you beat and know more than you, so take a back seat and let the big boys talk this one out ;)

New instance has some bosses with 6,000 crit resist and over 400m hp, MUCH more difficult then anything we've seen yet, so the fear is if it comes out with as broken of strats as the 92 ini, or the random rng of HoE. It's just gonna be another instance that no one can do, widening the gap for gear progression, making the next level cap also come too soon. As Zeri said, its a vicious cycle.

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Friday, September 18th 2015, 7:19pm

Well older, unsused stats are good for alts/off classes/lower classes of your main/ help other lowbie people etc. They are not just good to throw away, everything as a usage in game. i still have tons of mist/fjord/horror stats that i give out to people and no one complains about it, they use them and can have fun leveling.

I have made quite a few white gear level 56 to 62 with all fjord/horror stats on them, loaned them to friends or guildies, to level off classes level, to quest, do flies etc, they used those pieces all the way to level 85 and never died while leveling. I wished i had such gear back in the day, but i like to give back to my good fellow Renians, make the server grow and be better.


All stats and gear gets replaced as level caps increases through time, don't need a college degree to know that. Some might not like it because they can't get them, can't afford them etc, i get that but it is what it is. But that is when you can pass the older stuff along to other people and help them ^^


Don't forget this is a game and most of us are here for the fun and love of it, some might want to try that and be thankful we made it to level 95 soon!!!!! and YIPPIE!!! i can't wait till level 100!!! YIPPIE!!!!! yes i am Disturbed and proud of it

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Friday, September 18th 2015, 7:25pm

Zid, that use you found for the old stats does not make it relevant to the midgame to endgame jump. You don't use lvl 62 gear to play endgame at level 95. You aren't using those to gear up to play endgame. You are using those for alts or low level chars/classes you have. Sure, they work for a non endgame standpoint for questing, but not really for playing endgame.
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Friday, September 18th 2015, 7:39pm

My question is... Will the lvl 95 blue drops be tier 6?
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Friday, September 18th 2015, 7:42pm

yes, t6 blues start at 94.

t6 greens are 98.
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Friday, September 18th 2015, 8:15pm

You wanna know the best part of this thread?

Iirc the first level cap was 50? They started the 2/3 cap cycle after level 60. So that means we will have had 16 level cap increases once level 95 hits.

And this conversation and senseless back and forth has been started again and again for about 14 of them and NOTHING CHANGES.

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Friday, September 18th 2015, 10:49pm

I see no harm in discussing people's opinions of this. :) Some people think it's too quick, others do not, which has not always been the case. Sometimes in the past the overwhelming majority has thought it was time for a new zone.

As for puppets, everybody is a puppet in life. The most 'interesting ones' are those that claim to be exempt from this aforementioned fact while mocking others for being so. :)

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Saturday, September 19th 2015, 12:33am

I don't think Xaldyn was exempting himself. He did say he was going to be a dancing puppet for at least 1 day. :P Some of us are just cynical about ROM's priorities. I feel the server merge should be the top priority, but if that's not ready then I guess a new level cap is the next best thing. Something new is better than nothing.

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Saturday, September 19th 2015, 12:39am

When they did announce the merge, they told us that updates to the game would keep happening. GF is the one working on the merge, RW is the one working on the new content. At least, that's how I had understood it.
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Saturday, September 19th 2015, 12:49am

Most of you midgamers are so clueless. What are you gonna do when all the endgamers finally quit and can't carry you through instances anymore? Midgame guilds on Reni are still struggling with instances that are 3 instances behind cap. They aren't even close to clearing Pillars without endgamers. Soon to be 4 instances behind cap once 95 hits.

Keep running your minigames for all eternity. I hope that's fun for you. Instances are only getting harder and nobody is keeping up. The 95 instance is about to invalidate all of the time that we have spent on Crypt of Eternity.

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