Runes of Magic US / AU

I've done all of the quests in dragonfang except for the ones that weren't accessable to me at 32, and any of them that had an elite encounter. For some reason that partiqular zone is deader then a doornail on my server, and trying to get a group together to do that has been .. well not happening.

Your second statement is also partially what is driving this, there aren't enough quests in the game. Counting dailys is really a poor excuse simply because they aren't the same depending on the playstyle (as I pointed out before), they are a static 10 a day.

Anyways I'll try and head back to dragonfang when i hit 33 and see if anymore quests popup that I can do there.

I am very early on the game, but I find the 10 daily very rewarding, for several reasons :

- I don't do all 10, I pick to top 3 on XP return and do those. Instead of collecting 10 of this and 12 of that, I collect 24 or 36 of the one better item.

- In the process of doing this I guess you can call it farming but I get good level up XP, I collect the quest items, and I also mine/wood/herb around me, until I come back to town loaded.

- I then can do submit the 10 quests in a hurry, and sometimes have materials left over for tomorrow's quests, so it might be just a matter of turning them in and collecting the XP, and on top of all that, you also get the tokens.

All in all not bad. At least they keep you occupied. Of course it will get slower as the levels go up, but what game doesn't. The whole idea is that L50 means something, and that it too an investment to get there.

I just figure that usually the first few levels are fast but boring/simple and this hasn't been. It has been entertaining to where I am not even watching the level bar, it just keeps moving on its own. That to me is a good sign. And most of the hard stuff is still ahead.

Quoted from "DaduHulk;218502"

I am very early on the game, but I find the 10 daily very rewarding, for several reasons :

- I don't do all 10, I pick to top 3 on XP return and do those. Instead of collecting 10 of this and 12 of that, I collect 24 or 36 of the one better item.

- In the process of doing this I guess you can call it farming but I get good level up XP, I collect the quest items, and I also mine/wood/herb around me, until I come back to town loaded.

- I then can do submit the 10 quests in a hurry, and sometimes have materials left over for tomorrow's quests, so it might be just a matter of turning them in and collecting the XP, and on top of all that, you also get the tokens.

All in all not bad. At least they keep you occupied. Of course it will get slower as the levels go up, but what game doesn't. The whole idea is that L50 means something, and that it too an investment to get there.

I just figure that usually the first few levels are fast but boring/simple and this hasn't been. It has been entertaining to where I am not even watching the level bar, it just keeps moving on its own. That to me is a good sign. And most of the hard stuff is still ahead.

I'm not saying that daily quests aren't good, I'm just saying don't count them in quest counts when saying there are enough quests to level. Let's take a look at some other games.. Wow comes to mind since they have daily quests, yet there is more then enough quests in the game to hit max level and then some without doing a single daily quest. Dungeons and Dragons online they have lots of quests that you can do to level to max level and don't even have a concept of a daily quest. Some of the other games I could list unfortunatly are more grinding oriented then neccessarly quest oriented even thou some of them have "quest" in there name which I find rather funny.

There are more than enough quests in the game to hit max level on one of your classes, and most of the way to max on the other. Counting instance quests, you probably could max both classes, but some of those quests take a while to get geared up to do, so it's more likely you'll get there with dailies.

But it's really a non-issue -- even with the dual-class system, most folks play one of their classes the majority of the time, using the secondary class as a support class. So in those cases it doesn't matter quite as much that you get your secondary leveled as fast as your primary, other than to get to the elite skills levels.

Quoted from "jsalemi;218534"

There are more than enough quests in the game to hit max level on one of your classes, and most of the way to max on the other. Counting instance quests, you probably could max both classes, but some of those quests take a while to get geared up to do, so it's more likely you'll get there with dailies.

But it's really a non-issue -- even with the dual-class system, most folks play one of their classes the majority of the time, using the secondary class as a support class. So in those cases it doesn't matter quite as much that you get your secondary leveled as fast as your primary, other than to get to the elite skills levels.

While you have a valid point, my point of there just aren't enough quests is still very valid. Yea maybe alot of folks only play on their main class, and I am probably in the minority of folks that actually enjoy both of my classes alot. There should be enough quests in the game base minimium without dailys to get to max level with both classes, I personally think that is yet another issue that is broken.

I'm getting the feeling you think most of the game is broken, which makes me wonder why you continue to play it.

Quoted from "jsalemi;218601"

I'm getting the feeling you think most of the game is broken, which makes me wonder why you continue to play it.

Most?? no not really, just frustated that folks seem to be fine with a broken status quo, and then try and hide the truth. Like was pointed out not only by me, but also by you. There aren't enough quests to max out your character. So stating that there are enough quests isn't very truthful it's hiding the fact there isn't. Now that doesn't mean you can't get to max level, i just don't like when folks don't tell the truth.

The issue with titles, annoying but that's it, the issue with upgrade gems, well again differences of opinions on this I view the cs bought ones to be broken bad, and yet alot of folks are more/less fine with it. Basically a 1st year tester can tell you that they are broke, and a 1st year economics student can tell you why they are broke. Just because I don't agree with certain aspects doesn't mean I can't or shouldn't try and a) find out the truth behind what is there and b) try and champion to get things fixed (doubtful that they will but what the hey nothing ventured nothing gained).

I personally don't have an issue with cash shops, i've seen them in a few different mmo's. I don't have an issue buying from those cash shops, but I do have an issue when I buy something that I percieve as broke, even if the rest of the community is just fine and dandy with the way it is working.

Quoted from "DaduHulk;218502"

I am very early on the game, but I find the 10 daily very rewarding, for several reasons :

- I don't do all 10, I pick to top 3 on XP return and do those. Instead of collecting 10 of this and 12 of that, I collect 24 or 36 of the one better item.

- In the process of doing this I guess you can call it farming but I get good level up XP, I collect the quest items, and I also mine/wood/herb around me, until I come back to town loaded.

- I then can do submit the 10 quests in a hurry, and sometimes have materials left over for tomorrow's quests, so it might be just a matter of turning them in and collecting the XP, and on top of all that, you also get the tokens.

All in all not bad. At least they keep you occupied. Of course it will get slower as the levels go up, but what game doesn't. The whole idea is that L50 means something, and that it too an investment to get there.

I just figure that usually the first few levels are fast but boring/simple and this hasn't been. It has been entertaining to where I am not even watching the level bar, it just keeps moving on its own. That to me is a good sign. And most of the hard stuff is still ahead.

I agree with you 100%! Looks like we got the same style of playing the game. I'm currently in DDC at lv 43/44, and i still have loads of quests to be done. There are always lots of quests for me out there, something to always look forward to. I never find the game boring because there are more than enough things for me to accomplish each day, aside from just doing the dailies. I don't rush myself to get to the top level as i take things one day at a time.
The game is fun and i enjoy it a lot.


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I don't remember where this was, but somewhere on the forums i saw someone bring up a VERY good point (i think it was Littlefeather). It can easily be more rewarding to level up slower than to power level, and the reason why is that you actually learn more about your character. Slowly leveling up to max gets you a much better feel for your character's weaknesses, strengths, and general skills than if you just power leveled up. You will see some high level people who have NO idea what they are doing because of this exact kind of thing.

I'd rather spend awhile leveling just so i can get a feel for my character, using some character skills in combinations, etc. Also if you power level to level 30 or so you miss all the easy leveling in the start lol. That's before it gets frustratingly grindy

What is this nonsense about not enough quests?

I remember leveling from 30-40 on my primary in ystra in about a week and this was last march.

Though, I came from sro, so I do my own fair share of grinding.

Quoted from "rmhainlen;218762"

What is this nonsense about not enough quests?

I remember leveling from 30-40 on my primary in ystra in about a week and this was last march.

Though, I came from sro, so I do my own fair share of grinding.

read the posts I made, the arguement/issue isn't around enough quests for leveling your primary it is about leveling your 2ndary as well as your primary. Some folks (ok i must be in a minority here) actually enjoy both classes ALOT, and want to keep them close together.

Anyways I think I have the solution to my problem, just stop playing so many hours a day so that my play time comes down to what "normal" is so that I get a fair shake on dailys.

Quoted from "aerieon;218676"

Most?? no not really, just frustrated that folks seem to be fine with a broken status quo, and then try and hide the truth. Like was pointed out not only by me, but also by you. There aren't enough quests to max out your character. So stating that there are enough quests isn't very truthful it's hiding the fact there isn't. Now that doesn't mean you can't get to max level, i just don't like when folks don't tell the truth.

See, now I didn't say there aren't enough quests to level both classes -- I just said that you may not be able to do all of them right away. I have 2 maxed out characters so far, one of which is my very first from back in the open beta days when there really weren't enough quests to max out one class, let alone two. In all my postings here, I have never once said there weren't enough quests to get to max.

I also don't really agree with the concept that dailies are not quests; they are repeatable quests, a big part of the game, a big part of leveling, and carry benefits beyond just the XP/TP you get for them. I still try to do dailies every day on both maxed characters.

There are enough quests. Either you have missed some (they won't appear on your map if you're to far beyond their level), you have skipped them (go back and do those elites in Dragonfang, many of them are on quest lines and killing an elite will open a series of 4 or 5 more quests), or you have to put it bluntly died too many times and eaten too much quest XP with debt.

This first is an unfortunate consequence of not being a completist and the only option is to run around looking for (!)s over NPCs. The second is easily remedied by going back and doing the quests. If you need help then yell in the next zone up the level ladder, no doubt there are others there that skipped those quests for the same reasons, or find a good guild to throw in with and ask for assistance from guildmates. The third is simply a normal risk of adventuring, grind it out and turn in dailies. If it makes you feel better about only being able to do 10 a day like the rest of us then start another character so you can do 20, or buy daily reset tickets.

Quoted from "jsalemi;218893"

See, now I didn't say there aren't enough quests to level both classes --

Quoted from "jsalemi;218534"

There are more than enough quests in the game to hit max level on one of your classes, and most of the way to max on the other.

Just saying...

Anyways I already responded back as to why not to count daily quests in the question of are there enough quests. If I play 12 hours a day versus a person playing 4 hours a day whom do you think will benifit more from daily quests? Yes I know they are a quest, yes I know they give you xp, yes I know I can buy daily quest reset tickets, but that still doesn't change the point I was trying to get at, which is there aren't enough quests. Using dailys to clean up the leftovers isn't the right answer.

Anyways the whole point I am trying to get to is that there should be more quests in the game.. OMG such a painful request, no no the game is perfect it shouldn't be changed that is sacrilidge to even hint that this game could possibly have a problem..... /sigh

Quoted from "delve;218911"

or find a good guild to throw in with and ask for assistance from guildmates.

I think that is also part of my problem, I am in a small guild atm, only 1 person is higher then me by only 4 levels.. Which wouldn't be bad if we actually did things together but we don't. THere are a bunch that are lower then me and I mean alot lower like level 10's, 15's.

There are plenty of quests to level up both characters. It was true about 6 months after release there were not enough (including a wierd gap between levels 32-34) but they have added a multitude of quests since. Skipping the "elite" quests is a big loss as well as they provide much higher xp rewards.

And no matter how much you try to argue about Dailies, they are there for a specific purpose.

Another tip: don't do quests on your main and turn in on your secondary (including dailies). You are robbing your secondary of a lot of xp.

Quoted from "aerieon;218959"

Just saying...

Also just quoting part of what I said to make your point. How about the rest of it?

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Counting instance quests, you probably could max both classes, but some of those quests take a while to get geared up to do, so it's more likely you'll get there with dailies.

Let's just say that I have two characters at 55/55, and both still have quite a few open quests to do. I say there are "probably enough", and definitely enough if you count dailies (and I'm not including reset tickets, just the normal 10 a day) -- you disagree, so we'll leave it at that.

Sure, would we like to see more quests? Yea. But you also know the quests we get will for the most part be for level 55 (and up when they raise the cap). Epic quest lines 2 and 3, and the aforementioned 'fill in the gap' in Ystra are the only ones I can think of that were added for the lower levels since the game was released, and even #3 starts at level 52.

You all must be right, and apparenetly no one can have a difference of opinion. Heck a person actually leveling a character in the given ranges must not know what they are talking about.

Yea there are enough quests, put your heads back in the sand. I am sorry that this section of the forums has a difference of opinion versus other sections that actually admit that there is a dirth of quests, but still moves on to other points.

Another tip: don't do quests on your main and turn in on your secondary (including dailies). You are robbing your secondary of a lot of xp.
????? I am realy confused by this, but i'm not sure I want to actually come back to this thread anymore.

Quoted from "LucasUpright;219157"

Another tip: don't do quests on your main and turn in on your secondary (including dailies). You are robbing your secondary of a lot of xp.

I am sick of people spouting this BS all the time. This makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever, to anyone that takes a second to think about it. People just keep repeating this crap over and over.

If you require 100,000 XP to level. It doesn't matter whether that XP is gained from killing monsters or from quests. 100,000 XP is still 100,000 XP no matter where it comes from.

The idea is that the XP would be better spent on leveling your secondary, not that it is 'lost' in the sense of never being put to use (unless your primary is lvl 55 and you're not using an XP charm). There's also the XP curve to think about, you get less XP from equal or lesser level mobs, and after a certain point you get no XP from them.

There's some amount of merit to the notion, but personally I feel that the necessity of maintaining level appropriate gear for the secondary outweighs the benefit of the XP you'd get from monster bashing. Unless you're a combo that can effectively share some gear between classes, that would alter the equation somewhat.

Quoted from "waldorf;219343"

I am sick of people spouting this BS all the time. This makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever, to anyone that takes a second to think about it. People just keep repeating this crap over and over.

If you require 100,000 XP to level. It doesn't matter whether that XP is gained from killing monsters or from quests. 100,000 XP is still 100,000 XP no matter where it comes from.

Are you really that dense?

The developers know exactly how much XP is required from one level to the next. Don't you think then that the XP from quest mobs is taken into consideration in that leveling curve? If a quest asks you to kill 10 mobs, you better damn believe that the XP from those 10 mobs was considered into the equation.

So you guys can take healthy advice or continue struggling while I level up multiple accounts without any problems.

Good day.