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r/s not as tanky as a r/k but it has a good bit more dmg, i usually go with a lock down rotation open with sneak attack > vamp arrows > shadow prison > low blow > wound attack. kills almost anything in my gear range. rogues that have escape artist can get out, and scouts that run detection constantly the exceptions

Ive been thinkin a a swift and agile type of guy so is ranger and rouge a good mix plz right back

R/S, R/K, R/P, Any S/X, W/R, W/Wd.

From those, at the top you get

R/S, R/K, S/W, S/Wd

From those R/S, S/Wd

From those R/S.

R/S is the best PvP combo possible. Ranged initiation that usually takes away 40-60k HP if you have a good bow, then combine that with Blind spot (700%+ DPS) you are gone.

i love the r/s with

*pops energy thief*

hide ,SP,Vamp arrow, SS,Shot,wound atk, Vanish, Sneak atk,LB, Escape


if ur not dead u wait for ticks to kill u, if still not dead r/s ran far enough out and started spamming windarrow/vamparrows/shot.


entire fight is spent against an inv enemy

oh dont forget there crazy crit bonuses and that when they crit its 60% harder than anyone elses all the time.

and if ur under 30% hp u get hit even harder!

Wow Emoguy.

Congrats on knowing nothing about R/S.

I mean seriously.. spamming wind arrow?

Your "rotation" is wayyy off too.

You come out of hide upon first attack.. so where you cast Shadow Prison (which you shouldn't against anything but a Scout imho), you'd come out of hide. And usually it misses.

Vanish is on 10m cooldown. You know that, right?

So it's not exactly an invisible enemy.

Bro, you gotta do better than that if you want to incite a R/S nerf. At least look it up real fast on Runesdatabase or something..

to the OP, I get my butt handed to me hands down each time I play a decent Scout combo who knows what they're doing, with S/Wd being the hardest to bring down. S/Wd also has insane DPS, as I was pleasantly surprised with seeing today.

Like seriously.. it was insane.

And I'm not sure why no one's talking about Mages and Priests.. P/Ks are like the hardest people to kill in siege, and by working with their guildies, make it a really hard time for the opposing guild. P/S has ice blade which is pretty darn good. M/Ds have that 225 yd spell that hits twice, and when they crit, it's time to res.

really, any decent combo with any class can become pretty darn good at PVP if you work at it.

yes i know fate, i have play in 3v3 against u
i 1hit u because you dont stun me

they spam Wind arrows when there range between rouge and the target and they are out of hides, it no cd, has along range its a last resort in which you start kiting,

and yes i know vanish has a Cd , so does energy thief and so does escape.

most every class will be dead after half that rotation

and dont act so big, SP "misses" becuase your dagger skill it to low.
if you played rouge for any amount of time it would be 160+ lvl that and it wont miss unless they are dodging, but i mean what kinda rouges acc is so low they get dodged?

r/s is OP,

250k pdef on warrior and i can get critted for 70k x 2-3 times from a single Wound atk thats a rouge without CDs or food. how is that not OP?

the fact that u can always get 1st hit, invis get a 2nd hit, invis again and get 3 free hits plus what 3 different dots on a target those alone will kill most players?

they get the Highest dps atk skills of all classes, that they can use without a combo set up, without a cast time, without waiting for a rage build up , they get a 60% bonus damage to all crits, and can go invis before and during a fight several times, and they get Ranged atks that can be spammed using no energy or focus?

PvE r/s is just as OP, how is it not OP when a r/s with a RT dia weapon can do the same dps as a w/r with a GC hardmode weapon? when they both have the same patk and the same crit rate before CDs??
and the warrior has 1k more base dps on the weapon? and dbl the dps of a s/wd, lol triple that of a mage.

Scouts ruins rouges cuz of detect, but a r/s knows this already and wont try to use hide.

but yes any class is good in pvp,
honestly w.k is pushing for OP next to r/s in pvp, r/s has advantange becuase of all the hides/skill bonus.

Quoted from "emoguy2003;455269"

yes i know fate, i have play in 3v3 against u
i 1hit u because you dont stun me

First, who are you? Second, I always use Sneak Attack as an opener in PVP, so if i didn't stun you it's because you were next to a Scout with Detect or in a Mage's Earth Collapse.

And then if I didn't "stun" you, it's because my SP missed, but if you were in amongst a Scout or a Mage or whatever, I'd probably try to go after them first.

I'm not dumb.. I'm not going to take you out very easily, and if anyone else is around, I'm screwed. So I'd target them first and then deal with the annoying later.

And you 1 hit 57.5K HP? OMG THATS SO OP

anyway, you way outgear me.

Edit: I'm trying to remember, but I'm pretty sure the only decent W/K I've ever played was from Osha.. so unless you're that dude, I think you're lying. again. but if not, please refresh my memory.

Quoted from "emoguy2003;455269"

they spam Wind arrows when there range between rouge and the target and they are out of hides, it no cd, has along range its a last resort in which you start kiting,.

This is where your whole post becomes invalid.

Rogues can't even use Wind Arrow.

Shot has GCD at least, Vamp Arrow has 10 sec CD.

Honestly, no one should die by a Rogue's shot spam. If you're a Warrior or a Knight, you should be charging at me. No amount of shot spam should ever bring you down, especially with your HP and your def. You're probably doing something wrong if it did.

Quoted from "emoguy2003;455269"

and yes i know vanish has a Cd , so does energy thief and so does escape.

Your broken rotation can only be used once every ten minutes. Ten minutes per kill seems pretty bad.

Quoted from "emoguy2003;455269"

most every class will be dead after half that rotation

Quoted from "emoguy2003;455259"

hide ,SP,Vamp arrow, SS,Shot,wound atk, Vanish, Sneak atk,LB, Escape

your rotation is pretty.. i've-never-played-a-rogue-like.

Wound attack requires a bleed and a grievious wound to be most effective. Without using low blow before your wound attack, you're not getting the most out of it.

Why would you shadow prison out of hide if don't have to? Always sneak attack first if you can get close enough.

I don't use vamp arrow unless I'm trying to kite.. I'm definitely not using up a 1 sec GCD on Vamp arrow when I'm up close if I have any energy, which I should have since you popped Energy Thief lol.

Vanish will pop you out of hide and right back into combat if you have any sort of bleed effect, or if the dude aoes, or even pretty much if they were white attacking you and they hit you inside of invis. This happens to me all the time in siege when I try to vanish away.. mysteriously they still attack me!

And they'll see you anyway if you're next to them.

Vanish never takes me right out of combat, either, so I can't use sneak attack in rapid succession after. Besides, if I'm in siege, I probably have used it within 10 minutes of this point and it's on CD.

Quoted from "emoguy2003;455269"

and dont act so big, SP "misses" becuase your dagger skill it to low.
if you played rouge for any amount of time it would be 160+ lvl that and it wont miss unless they are dodging, but i mean what kinda rouges acc is so low they get dodged?

SP misses. A lot. Read the forums. Or better yet, try playing a rogue.

And when it does miss, it's almost instant-screwed for us.

Btw it's "Rogue"

I've played a rogue for six months.. my dagger skill is at 134. I dunno if that's low or not, but i seem to hit most things without missing or having people dodge, unless they outgear me by a pretty good margin.

I have 9.25k Dex right now, with 8790 Acc. I guess that's the kind of rogue that has "so low" acc and whatnot to have SP miss a lot more than what should be expected.

And it's not like it's missing just on better-geared people.. I missed a SP on a level 63 Mage with like 30k HP in siege today, and that's just off the top of my head (because it made me so mad).

Quoted from "emoguy2003;455269"

r/s is OP

nope

w/k's OP! Plate.. spammables.. EA.. AOEs.. Decent burn capability.. Stuns.. Knockdowns..

;]

Quoted from "emoguy2003;455269"

250k pdef on warrior and i can get critted for 70k x 2-3 times from a single Wound atk thats a rouge without CDs or food. how is that not OP?

There'll always be people who play certain classes that are insanely geared. Just because someone has really good gear and plays a certain class to it's highest ability doesn't make the combo OP. Either that's the case, or you're making it up.

Quoted from "emoguy2003;455269"

the fact that u can always get 1st hit, invis get a 2nd hit, invis again and get 3 free hits plus what 3 different dots on a target those alone will kill most players?

It's not a fact. You can't always invis that many times. In fact, I'd go as far to say that you can't ever invis that many times, as I'm still getting attacked even after I vanish, especially if it's against something with ballistics, like a Mage or a Scout. I go invis, but if they're in the air, they're still coming at me and will hurt me, bringing me out of invis and back into combat.

You'd probably know that if you played a rogue..

Quoted from "emoguy2003;455269"

PvE r/s is just as OP, how is it not OP when a r/s with a RT dia weapon can do the same dps as a w/r with a GC hardmode weapon? when they both have the same patk and the same crit rate before CDs??

Didn't happen, or the rogue severely outgears that Warrior in other aspects other than just weapons.

Or, the Rogue is just a smarter player than the Warrior.

I'd try to post more and comment more fully but I just noticed there was maintenance tonight..

Edit: And you know what, any class can be an "invisible opponent." Get off your butt and make Invisi Pots. They're not hard to make, especially if you farm. ANY class can hide. You're going to complain about rogue's hide, when that's what makes a rogue.. a rogue?

really?

Yes i 1hit 57.5k hp
Charge requires a range of 150, whats the range on shot? further so u can kite outta range.

yes 134 is low for a dagger

and do you not read? Miss has nothing to do with ur opponent, its you and your toon, nothing with stat.

W/k OP ya somewhat but only becuase of EA and the weapon damage bonus. Spammables? lol hs and disarm hardly count. aoes, knockdowns, stuns, big atks alll require rage which u only get from white hits and being atked rouges however get big atks without ne requirments long as they have energy which they always start with. lol in pvp one or the other is dead before you get enough rage for an atk.


"Didn't happen, or the rogue severely outgears that Warrior in other aspects other than just weapons.

Or, the Rogue is just a smarter player than the Warrior"


yes it happens, alot. and not 1 warrior and not 1 r/s.
and i speak of End game players, there is no severly outgearing each other lol


yes anyone can have inv pots but can only be used out of combat and only last a short time,
the whole point of my post is
roueus gets an invis out of combat that last unlimited
2 more than that be in combat during a fight
they can outwait any Cds or buffs u prepare so they always decide when the battle starts
your only opponent is a scout with decetion or a very lucky mage.

i didnt claim to have a perfect rotation or play a rouges, the rouges that beat me in pvp, that is the rotation they use and i cannot get even a single atk off before im dead because im stunned and when im not stunned there invisible.

Zzzz... You only replied to like a quarter of my post. I guess you decided to ignore the parts that you didn't have an answer for...

But to continue our awesome discussion!

Quoted from "emoguy2003;455506"

Yes i 1hit 57.5k hp
Charge requires a range of 150, whats the range on shot? further so u can kite outta range.

grats

and, I'm pretty sure you should be able to cut off the rogue in running out somehow. Perceive where he's going and cut him off.. or take advantage of the lag and spam charge, if he's not constantly jumping around you'll probably charge it on server lag.

Or roll R/K and get an extra % movement speed. ;]

But you really shouldn't ever have a problem with shot spam as a W/K with all that gear you have...

If the dude is kiting you, please be smart enough and don't follow him if you can't catch him.. run away and make him come back to you. He'll be locked in combat for a while, especially if there's a bleed on someone.

Quoted from "emoguy2003;455506"

yes 134 is low for a dagger

and do you not read? Miss has nothing to do with ur opponent, its you and your toon, nothing with stat.

Quoted from "emoguy2003;455269"

and dont act so big, SP "misses" becuase your dagger skill it to low.
if you played rouge for any amount of time it would be 160+ lvl that and it wont miss unless they are dodging, but i mean what kinda rouges acc is so low they get dodged?.

Read your own posts lol...

That's why I listed out my dex and pacc.

Unlike you, I actually try to answer every point in whoever I'm having a discussion with's post.

Whether or not 134 is low or not, I dunno. I run GC easy all night mostly every night for mementos, so it'd seem to me I'm always gaining experience on daggers.. and to be only where I'm at, and that to be considered low.. I dunno.

But!, I don't care -that- much. The game's fun for me no matter how many times SP lets me down!

Quoted from "emoguy2003;455506"

W/k OP ya somewhat but only becuase of EA and the weapon damage bonus. Spammables? lol hs and disarm hardly count. aoes, knockdowns, stuns, big atks alll require rage which u only get from white hits and being atked rouges however get big atks without ne requirments long as they have energy which they always start with. lol in pvp one or the other is dead before you get enough rage for an atk.

Firstly, how does HK and Disarm hardly count? They're amazing skills, especially Disarm in PVP. They count bro. They count hard.

There's a potion made just for your class. I think it's called Rage Potions.. you should try one out sometime.

And anyway, that's when you start using your spammable that "hardly counts." You hit so hard anyway, it doesn't matter which skill you finish us out with.

Quoted from "emoguy2003;455506"

"Didn't happen, or the rogue severely outgears that Warrior in other aspects other than just weapons.

Or, the Rogue is just a smarter player than the Warrior"


yes it happens, alot. and not 1 warrior and not 1 r/s.
and i speak of End game players, there is no severly outgearing each other lol

What pots, foods, buffs were used by each?

There's a lot more to a person's DPS capability than just gear.

But anyway, I don't believe you still. you lied and misinformed everyone in your prior posts.. not sure why I should take this comment seriously.

Quoted from "emoguy2003;455506"

yes anyone can have inv pots but can only be used out of combat and only last a short time,
the whole point of my post is
roueus gets an invis out of combat that last unlimited
2 more than that be in combat during a fight
they can outwait any Cds or buffs u prepare so they always decide when the battle starts
your only opponent is a scout with decetion or a very lucky mage.

Invisi pots can only be used out of combat, eh? :/ That sounds like our Hide. Yeah man.. it sucks eh?

Stop talking about Vanish, or any skill, that has a 10m cooldown. It's not that viable of a skill to keep mentioning it over and over.

Six times in a full length siege can it be used. Similarly, a priest can go immune 30 times. Any five minute can be used 20 times.

Rogue's Hide SHOULD be better than an Invisi Pot btw. If everyone had access to a skill another class has, why even roll that class?

A rogue = hide. That's the way it's been in most successful MMOs. that's the way it was built here. Why would you nerf something so essential to the class?

As this dude says,

Quoted from "kicouto;455540"

any real rogue knows no hide = death if you have a decent player/geared ebay user near. rogues cant take dmg well, cept maybe r/k and r/p. if we get caught out of hide, we're almost guaranteed to die.

Hide is -everything- to a rogue.

Quoted from "emoguy2003;455506"

i didnt claim to have a perfect rotation or play a rouges, the rouges that beat me in pvp, that is the rotation they use and i cannot get even a single atk off before im dead because im stunned and when im not stunned there invisible.

So you get beat by a rogue every ten minutes or so in siege? o_O

I'm pretty sure no rogue would ever use that rotation.. no one who's actually played a rogue, at least. ;]

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Bro, you're mad because PVP is a 1 hit fest. I am too. Whoever gets the first hit usually takes the fight. Rogues are not broken; we are just a class playing in a broken system.

If you want everything to really even out, you shouldn't be calling for any class nerfs - you should be calling for a rework of the PVP system.

Such as:

Quoted from "bleedingblak;449374"

Passive buffs upon entering siege -

+50% crit resist (can be upgraded from home towers)
Foods are disabled
Deserts are disabled
Potions are disabled
-25% damage from all players
-10% physical damage
-10% magical damage
Pets are disabled

L2 play class. Not L2 use gold.

Just think... no more spamming low blow just think... no more one shot fire balls just think... no more rogues popping out of hide and taking out a whole army just think... Knights be invincible!

it's an amazing idea located in http://forum.us.runesofmagic.com/showthread.php?t=61789

The only reason most rogues kill you, again, is due to the first hit, and because everything only usually lasts 1 hit. If you allow actual rotations in PVP, you'll make classes actually have time to counterattack a rogue.. and if any rogue ever used your precious "rotation" that you list, that rogue'll be toast in no time.

Never again will you fall to the weight of that rotation, my friend! <3

Shadowprison misses on characters with high wisdom. I don't see how that relates to your stats


edit: oh r/s DO NOT have wind arrows, lol
Wind arrow is scout ONLY, scout main