Runes of Magic US / AU

Are you actually sure they were hacking though, most of what you said is are things that can just happen during normal sieges. I 1 shot guards pretty much every time, they are really weak since players are lv70 and geared accordingly. I can also 1 shot many players very easily. Siege is a 1-2 shot fest for the most part. And when you place faces or eyes on the towers, they drop into the base of the tower a lot. It happens more often than not actually.

And after destroying a gate, sometimes the rebuild hammer just glitches and doesnt appear, it has happened against both our gate and the enemy gate several times in siege. As far as being immune, they can use fearless as well as lots of immune foods and other skills, eg Holy Aura.

All I'm saying is, don't be so quick to yell out hax against other guilds, especially when there are very plausible explanations for what could be causing it.

I'm also curious as to what all the other country servers you are facing happen to be. We don't face anyone from EU or anything

What sort of shield do you mean Nathzar? You mean they used Fearless? That's a herald skill that lasts 10 seconds (if I recall correctly), and all players in the guild will be completely immune to everything as long as it lasts.

Placing fots and eyes "under" the crystal isn't a hack- that's just a bug. So is the gate not having a rebuild hammer. Just a bug. They aren't doing that on purpose, that just happens on its own sometimes.

Which I think I just realized is what Quaffy just said.

How long have you been siegeing Nathzar? After a while you'll get an idea of what things are just normal bugs and what things are hacks. There's a lot less hacking going on than you think.

Its so frusterating during siege when u see people shoot across the map with the blink of an eye " SPEED HACKER " you yell, someone is hopping along while they run "[edit]" is yelled, rebuild hammers dissapear, ITS A HAX you scream, and so on.. i know i yelled just as loud until they accused ME of same thing, and i began to realize that its the game and remembering we are in BETA as well. Honestly i think there is less haxing than just buggin out going on. Some times there REALLY is hax and that IS a shame and the ones who do it are pathetic. But for the most, i think its just lagging and buggin and glitching in siege.. not a whole world of losers =)

the only sure sign i have seen that i have been unable to figure out if its a hack or not is when an entire team resists every root thrown at it even so far as people who should be rooted , have lightning flashing around their body like they are under the effect, but they keep right on running. but all the rest of what u see is just typical siege betaness.

To my knowledge there are very limited number of actual exploits that can be used in the siege. I hate calling those things "hacks" as, in my mind as software developer, "hacking" is not a bad word.

The most blatant of them all is "fly hack". I witnessed this only once and reported to FA with evidence attached.

Second exploit is "speed hack" or "lag porting". "speed hack" really is taking an advantage of "lag porting" by using a tool for it. This allows player to "jump" in the direction they are moving to. This can be achieved on purpose, but more often than not, this is the result of lag. Players cannot target you and their skills do not work on you so you seem immune to all but some aoe damage, because you are not really there but few steps away. Eventually tough your game will crash. It is just good etiquette to restart the game before the siege to avoid this. There is a tool that exploits this and allows for the faster movement (by porting, not by actual running). I would say that less than 0.01% of all siege accusation about this exploit are justified and more often than not, it is just a lag.

It is also possible to exploit "object models". This is a rather common thing to be seen in the siege, which does not make it right.

That is it. To my knowledge there are no other hacks that are used in the SW. When I was a bit lower level I was often sure opponent is hacking - how come he takes no damage from me at all. Now, at level 70, with rather average (or slightly below) stats I was accused of hacking few times myself. The reason is that 50def/50mdef/50pattack makes me seem rather OP to anyone under level 55 (and once you get to level 70) you will realize i am not. I also somewhat learned to play my class (r/m) so now i can do ( what seems but is not ) one-shot all 3 guards at once (PhantomStab + Booby Trap), I also developed this reflex where I try to go into the hide after every attack which might make me seem like I am constantly vanishing from the combat. With Silence I am often immune to casters. Using Shadowstep to legally port around and make players loose target lock might make it seem that I am doing something illegal, but I am not. Sadly, Ice Blade will every time put the end of any of this.

I often get accused of hacking by undergeared players because I one-shot them & take very little damage from them.

I tell them to look at my gear & compare it to theirs, some see the light but many just continue the unfounded abuse.

Hax is called far to often, usually it is just a difference in gearing. I play on Osha, my guild doesn't tolerate any cheating & I have seen very little cheating from the many Osha guilds I have sieged against but I have come up against some very well geared players.

I give this post a +1 for sure,for addressing a taboo subject. I am tottaly in cognito because everyone would recognize my name on my server, which is the most populated. The players saying 'Hack' is cried too often, either is hack themselves, or is very naive. The fact of the matter hacking is way out of control and ruining siege if you dont hack, the question is, too hack or not too hack?'...if you have not hacked yet too due to your principles.
The fact that Romeo's hack site now has 20k registered users,and is a cite soley devoted to RoM hacks shows the lunacy of those who refuse to admit hacking is out of control. They hide behind the shield that when they hack, some of their hacks can be explained by other means, so they are given the benefit of the doubt, when they know they are hacking and think we are too stupid to realize it.
I purpose a fix....that would help I believe, only siege within the server,
it is always cross-server hacking is where hacking is at its worse,and the father of the modern day RoM hack, Romeo, has even admited that his hacks cause cross server lagg.....Not to mention if a guild is obviously hacking can at least partly be dealt with in W/C
Well I know I stepped on a lot of toes but I know I have proposed the most sensible solution.

The OPs last sentence confused me more then anything when he said "Other Countries servers" they are all North American servers so I'm not sure if he has very much experience, most everything the OP described is just another night of siege.

Is there a trend of certain countries going certain servers (Other then Spanish speakers)

Quoted from "regentego;513698"

so I'm not sure if he has very much experience

It says he joined this month but hey..I joined in February of last year some stuff is off.

I hear a lot about lower levels saying that there are hackers because they haven't learned much about the different capabilities of other classes. It is really hard to try and tell them it isn't because sometimes they think (well in my case) that I am calling em newbs. My guild isn't super op yet (YETTTT) but we can do some good damage and with one of my guildies seemingly ENDLESS speed potions it seem s he moves faster than me on my mount >.<.

i used to say wtf was that, alot during siege.now as i have seen at least 100 sieges,i can honestly say i have seen very few actual hacks.i was recently accused of hacking but in reality i am a computer noob.it took me 3 months to figure out how to manually install an addon. Disturbed has a strict anti hack rule,if anyone hacks its instant kick from guild.
so if i siege against you i assure you there are no hacks involved.

Quoted from "ChaosArmored;513764"

It says he joined this month but hey..I joined in February of last year some stuff is off.

I hear a lot about lower levels saying that there are hackers because they haven't learned much about the different capabilities of other classes. It is really hard to try and tell them it isn't because sometimes they think (well in my case) that I am calling em newbs. My guild isn't super op yet (YETTTT) but we can do some good damage and with one of my guildies seemingly ENDLESS speed potions it seem s he moves faster than me on my mount >.<.

Spellweaver potion+godspeed potion+mad rush skill+escape artist+unbridled enthusiasm=me running a hell of a lot faster than a mount. Factor in the speed buff from herald, and I beat rune disks with galloping+stable buffs. Awesome indeed.

Everything that the OP mentioned are KNOWN cases of lag/bugs. The Romeo hacks are very distinct, once you see it, you'll know.

As far as his site, looks like he got a little taste of his own medicine lately

Tonight I saw real hacks, great siege no lag at all yet their mage bounced around the screen like she had magical abilities to blink in and out. Not to mention saw me in hide with no pet out. I actually witnessed their rogue jump our gate, idiot didn't see me right there I quickly dismissed him. Like I said no lag zero problems just one mage in a pink wedding dress sporting 114k HP buffed. Even with her desperation to cheat to win they couldn't. I'm the first to say "that's not a hack" but this was so blatant, really is it worth that much to get banned? What kind of PvP server mindset is that.

I'm not surprised someone from a pvp server YouTubed this exact same thing.

Quoted from "regentego;513799"

Tonight I saw real hacks, great siege no lag at all yet their mage bounced around the screen like she had magical abilities to blink in and out. Not to mention saw me in hide with no pet out. I actually witnessed their rogue jump our gate, idiot didn't see me right there I quickly dismissed him. Like I said no lag zero problems just one mage in a pink wedding dress sporting 114k HP buffed. Even with her desperation to cheat to win they couldn't. I'm the first to say "that's not a hack" but this was so blatant, really is it worth that much to get banned? What kind of PvP server mindset is that.

I'm not surprised someone from a pvp server YouTubed this exact same thing.

We have a mage in our guild that doesn't hack and has bad connation and skips all over the palce even after relogging, (which it takes him 10-20 mins to relog)(also when he relogs, it takes him5-10 tries jsut to get into the game) I would hate to ask him to not seige, but he has been called a hacker many times. We cant even do instances with him sometimes as he lags allover hard to heal or d/c's alot. We were called hackers the other day actually By a Reni guild. Said he was taking no damage as to where i was healing him and could see he was getting attacked and almost died quite a few times WITH me healing him. a m/p gets an immune Holy aura, also they get candy and serenstum, so essentially 3 immunes. PLus a healer healing an 110k mageis hard to take down imo unless u near 1 shot them and he did die multiple times actually with me healing him.

Alot of times in seige usually 5-7k point guilds and up are classy and don't call eachother hackers. t's usually the 1-4k point guilds I've noticed that do this. Who don't know any better.

So before you call hacks Ebi, make sure it's not their connection. I even told this guild that he doesnt hack and they can ask anyone on our server, ( which they didn't) and they said they were using fraps and would send it in but we'll see.

Like tonight, we faced another Reni guild and their p/s and m/d lagged all over the place, did we call hacks.. no, but we were talking about how they lag in vent and to watch out for them. I'm sure we were lagging too.

All in all i'd rather hae lag than no seige.

Gigi, at what point does someone's connection become everyone else's problem though? Players will intentionally do this in siege, and when you can't target them because they pop up 50 yards from where you thought they were, then bad connection or not its an exploit. The best thing for them to do is sit out siege entirely. One hour of siege a night is not worth losing their entire account.

An exploit happens when they are aware they have an unfair advantage and continue to use it. So yes in your friends case their bad connection is officially an exploit.

Quoted from "Ravesden;513768"

Spellweaver potion+godspeed potion+mad rush skill+escape artist+unbridled enthusiasm=me running a hell of a lot faster than a mount. Factor in the speed buff from herald, and I beat rune disks with galloping+stable buffs. Awesome indeed.

Last i checked godspeed potion didnt stack with unbridled enthusiasm, also neither unbridled enthusiasm nor godspeed potion stacks with the herald speed buff.

yea godspeed knocks off unbridled..but mad rush, spellweaver, godspeed and escape artist is fast enough to easily overtake ppl mounted with galloping gale. w/r with it is so fast its hard to believe.

R***o's hack is pretty easy to identify, flying, super jumps over walls or from tower to castle gate or even just running up & over walls. I very rarely see any of that now.

I get called a hacker for 1-hitting poorly geared people. Those that are well geared take a bit of work to kill. Someone said something about me using a hammer hack(?). Of course my 1-hitting has nothing to do with a T11 Puppet Queen & 100k+ buffed Matk..

I would love to see some sort of hack guard implemented but although hacking does happen it happens a lot less often than it's called.

Gigi last night we fought a guild from your server, they fought very clean fight, but the funniest thing happened, I was on the bridge and wipe 6 of them out, then a R/S who speaks little English pops out of hide, I hit escape come out behind him and one shot him. He says "Fraps you for disappearing after I hit you" I LMAO I'm like really you must have been a scout in chapter 3, how doesn't any R/S not have or understand escape.

Morale is I guess it's important in war to understand all of your enemies abilities, I'll call a true hack or exploit when I see it, but just because me and others like me can wipe out an oncoming onslaught nublets doesn't make me or other OPs "HAX"

Anyhow just wanted to share that with you, then again anytime a guild tries to come at me with 7-8 people and I'm left standing in a pile of bodies I like to share it. I don't need to see their guild chat to know their first conversation is "WTF a 200k HP rogue"

Okay enough self vanity today. Love you all!

Quoted from "regentego;514124"

Okay enough self vanity today. Love you all!

I disagree that you have had enough self vanity any day. What is the name of your guild anyway and what is your siege score? Against any guild over 5k I don't think you will have the experiences that you so love to share about pwning, what sounds like are a bunch of nooblets.

A 200k s/k for me is still far more dangerous then any 200k r/s. You are still one to 2 shot fodder mr. squishy, unless you go r/k and have a healer following you.