Runes of Magic US / AU

Lightning has a range of 150, pretty much every ranged skill out ranges that. And if they want to stun someone with discharge, they have to be right up on you. My logic is not flawed, I'm a mage. If you get lightninged then you were obviously out of hide and let the mage get within 150 range, which again, isn't all that ranged.

And umm, I kill people who have better gear than me ALL the time (I have 0 X runes that you talk about and some of my gear is lv55, none of my armor is +16, pet lv is in the 40s, no armor piece is above tier6, no tosh gear at all, and I spend $0 on diamonds), but then again I also play that class no one likes in pvp. Sure gear is important, but it isn't everything

Actually no, my logic isn't flawed. If a mage wants to use those skills, they have to get closer than they normally would. They cant stay at a range of 200+ and do those things you are complaining about.

And I'm able to kill those people better geared than me because I play smart and don't just run around thinking I'm a hero who should be able to kill anything and everything in front of me by myself. Hence, I stay in groups and utilize defenses, that is why I can kill people who have better gear (including people who have the same skills as I do). If you play smart, you win, that's how it goes

I see these posts over and over and over. "Siege is broken because..." Other than the crashing and lag, PvP in siege is fine. I am sorry, but you should die alot when you have no pdef or no mdef and you run around by yourself. I see this all the time, people coming out one at a time, crying because they keep dying. Your dying because you did not send in that useless knight first to draw fire that still takes me forever to kill while the mage Thunderstorms the the area that pops and often kills the rogues in hiding and that useless warrior comes in and Whirlwinds and stuns everybody. This is why you cannot take Hilot or even get out of you castle. Until you learn how to play as a team, siege, for you, will be broken.

OP,

You made some good points, but some changes were overly severe.

Honestly, back at 50/55 cap I felt that PvP WAS balanced because attacking someone didn't mean trying to kill them within 1-2 hits. Even the best geared players back then (myself included) had at least some challenge when deciding to attack someone.

As a P/S, if a rogue decided to attack me, I could pop my immune and ice blade spam to fight back - but that's just an example. Most classes have some way of fighting back against a rogue - there's just no time anymore. Rogues obviously get an advantage (i.e. hide, premed etc.) but to counter that, mages have discharge/lightning, knights have defence, p/s has ice blade, scouts have listen etc.

Because PvP occurs so fast now, its tough to see any of these counters in play, and frankly, PvP is boring.

I don't play to much anymore, and post in these drying up forums even less.
But...
Siege is a game of strategy. It gives you 1 hour to put your best "team" effort against another "team".
Almost everything posted so far points to the 1 vs 1 scenario., and that's where the problem lies. This class can kill that class and this class owns that class and to balance Siege we need to make them more the same.
That is not what siege war is for or about. It's a "team" strategy.
My main complaint is the Rogues that pop out of hide and are back in hide before any chance of seeing them or targeting them let alone fighting back.....BUT, that is more of a game lag issue then a problem with the class. Chapter 3 the game couldn't keep up with the speed of Scouts attacks either. Boom, boom, our dead, rogue shows on the screen, then blinks out, you click rez and show 2 more hits of damage as you rez. That's an internal game issue more then a class issue.

There are ways to combat everything mentioned in this thread by using teamwork and what is provided in Siege. Even the most uber players can fall when faced with good team work and strategy. I can't tell you how many 80-100k Rogues I see run at me in hide then find out I have surrounded the area with Eye's. Then after I smack them what do they do?......the exact same thing and run strait at me again, and again, and again, and again. I actually kept track one night and killed 1 85k Rogue 18 times because he obviously refused to get the rest of his team to help clear the defenses I had set up to specifically catch him. Total score, Priest 18 - Rogue 0. This is not an isolated incident.

I really don't mind the 1 shot part of siege anymore. not everyone can 1 shot each other but if they can cudo's to them. In war if you get shot........good chance your injured or dead. You set your defenses properly and they become just that...defenses. You start roaming around solo letting your ego be your guide and yes, you will die no matter how uber you think you are. Most players run around looking for ways to die, rather then learning the ways to survive.
Every class has a weakness and a strength. Learn to use them to survive and you will officially be left out of the L2P category and will find Siege much more challenging.

Imo, the one item I would like to see removed from siege, or balanced is to have "fearless" removed. Fearless eliminates the strategy more then anything else in siege. 20 minutes of building defenses to have them destroyed in seconds.

Quoted from "kokall;525845"

And I know because I've been the better geared rogue and the better geared priest/scout killing groups of equally or lesser geared people while I was being urgent healed. It's two versus 10 and I've wiped them out many times. And it's hell of a lot of fun for me but it's not fun when it's done to me and my guildies. And I think that's why many will argue with what I'm saying because they like the ego boost it gives them to 1 hit a rogue caught in a trap.

Actually, now that I notice it's Shadowlaw <3 replying, I think I've actually done this to your guildies several times as a rogue. And lol I've probably been caught in a well hidden trap more then a few times. But I and I'm sure others were not always alone as you make it sound to be.

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These 2 paragraphs I will elaborate a bit on.

The wiping out of groups, as a Rogue, a P/S, a Warrior, a mage, or my favorite a DPS P/K, all comes down to the strategy used in the assult.
Normally, but not always the higher in the points ranking of the guild you face you see less and less of the suicidal attacks. By this I mean the "OP" player of the guild attempting to keep his/her reputaion and attacking defended towers solo. Normally equates to knocking out some defenses and a player or 2 along the way, but normally ends in the suicidal player dying. That can be fun, but not always effective (I'm guilty as charged on that one)
The second senario is the gathering of a group to try and take a defended tower. The attacking group makes an all out assalt on the tower going in head first to try and over power a defending group. This is where dropping like flies comes to mind and it's normally more death to the attackers then the defenders.
To the point and the strategy.
The more organized the guild the better results they get. You break down the defenses slowly. Using the strength of each class to slowly break down the defenses from the perimeter inwards. NOT a full frontal assult.
I would give a strategy on taking down an attacking or defending P/S....but that would ruin my mojo.
But there is ways to do it easily.

As for the second part.
Yes their are those that weren't always alone, but you would be surprised how often they continue to try. Maybe they think their gear gets better with each death, idk?
But on a defended tower, even minimal, you don't go strait at a P/S, or any other well geared class, in a frontal attack. If you do, expect to take some death's. The difference is there are entire guilds out there that will send one after another head on at a well geared player defending a tower. I myself racked up over 100 kills by setting up some minimal defenses on a bridge and just standing in the open...waiting. Over 20 mins I stood there, in plain site as they feed me merits. After 20 mins they got a little wiser and used a Mage to clear defense, a warrior to stun me and a Rogue to finish me off. All lower geared players, yet they managed to do it. Quite well I might add.

1 Shotting all over the place is more often then not, a better geared player hitting lesser geared player. When gear is quite equal there is normally more then 1 hit. But I still like the 1 hit battles, yes, I 1 hit a lot, but I also get 1 hit on the rare ocasion. My strategy is after someone 1 hits me is to find a way to take them out without taking the hit. Either with defenses, or team work, or ambushing them.
As for Urgent heal spamming, isn't that sort of the intended purpose behind having a Priest? (leaving the beloved P/S class out of that argument) Super Boss fights require a Priest, or healer to keep them alive. Why shouldn't facing another player require the same. If you want to make longer fights go 2 on 2 each class have a healer behind them and then see who's skills will win. The winner of the battles will be the player with a healer, and most skill.
Example.
Knight, warrior, Mage, Rogue, Priest & scout attack a tower. Mage AOE's the defenses, Priest heals the mage till the defenses are gone. Rogue goes into hide, the tank attacks from the front and draws the fire, Priest heals the Tank. Mage AOE's the players attacking the tank. The scout stays at range and attacks the non ranged players. The Rogue attacks their healer. Warrior Runs in and AOE's the group and they get picked off from there when their healer is gone. I might be a fast battle, but if the healer fails, the attack fails. Sort of gives a reason to bring a Healer to the party, of which Siege normally isn't much fun for a healer other then to heal gates....YAY
Problem is that healers don't often show up in siege for healing duties......reason is there aren't many healers compared to attacking classes. Second is your worth in siege is normally messured by your kills, more then your support. So even players who play a priest day to day, switch to something else for siege to increase their kill count. You get a good team of players supported by healers and the entire guild will avoid a lot of 1 shots and rise in the rankings as well.

I might have rambled a bit ^ If you made it this far though...point is get more healers

Quoted from "kokall;525381"

Now this request suits my agenda

All that needs to be said, just as any "nerf these classes" threads do.

Don't nerf classes. Fix the freakin' system.

What problem?

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When all that matters is who hits who first, range becomes extremely important, not to mention the ability to shoot through walls... ugh.

This.

Instead of getting a debuff when you die that helps you die faster next time, everyone should enter with a debuff only in PVP places, such as Siege and Battlegrounds, that lowers damage/healing done by like.. a lot of percent. Then it wouldn't be a competition to get the first hit, and more can be seen.

The problem with nerfing is if you nerf due to PVP imbalances, these classes will also suffer greatly in PVE. That's not fair. And that's the other 23 hours of the day.

Quoted from "kokall;525390"

I agree with that. Knights should be like mini bosses. Taking groups even a few minutes to take down a well geared knight, giving time for the dead to regroup. That should be their roll but they are denied it. Even a lesser geared knights should be able to delay a 4 or 5 man group 30 seconds or so. That's their role. Hard to kill but don't do much unless they are ignored and left to pillage.

Totally, let's give the knights 500k pdef and 350k mdef unbuffed.
If a knight wants to be useful in sw, it's easy. Go with a group and get the attention of the dps on the other side while their own dps takes them down.

Quoted from "turboreaper666;526073"

These 2 paragraphs I will elaborate a bit on.

Problem is that healers don't often show up in siege for healing duties......reason is there aren't many healers compared to attacking classes. Second is your worth in siege is normally messured by your kills, more then your support. So even players who play a priest day to day, switch to something else for siege to increase their kill count. You get a good team of players supported by healers and the entire guild will avoid a lot of 1 shots and rise in the rankings as well.

I might have rambled a bit ^ If you made it this far though...point is get more healers

If this is all priests are doing in siege then why the hell do I see so many damn p/s around. I think it's obvious that they do a lot of damage and I'd argue that iceblade is a broken skill coming from a priest none the less...and people complain about rogues hiding. Aside from that I agree with what you said. A lot of it is definetly organization. I can't say our guild is the super orgainzed when it comes down to tactics, but I've seen some better geared guilds lose because they simply had little to no organization.

I'd have to agree 100% with the original poster. I've spent some money on the game, and i've spent lots of time. I'm a top giered r/s and a mediocre geared p/m but the game needs a balance. I went from spending maybe 20 bucks every other weak to nothing and not even getting on anymore due to the inbalance in skills. From people shooting through walls in siege to whoever gets first hit wins, even though i'm a r/s yes this annoys me even though i'm the one getting first hit. The kills are nice, but the fact of the matter is that it's no fun ganking without a fight and cant have a fight cause whoever hits first wins.
That is the reasons i've quit playing and as well as some other toons i know quit and are playing games where imbalance and hacking are a lot less. Due to the gm's and devs actually fighting hacking and imbalance.

This game has gone to far to ever have PVP balance, unfortunately this being a gear mod game 6 well geared players can roflstomp 25 average to decent geared. Even in PvE I can't imagine how discouraging it is to be stuck around DL-WA. The gear modding is what makes it so enjoyable, you can be anything you want.

If there was a auto debuff of -50% damage then people would find a way to exploit that too, w/k would be fierce. I'm nothing special but with my massive dodge, and HP it would not be all that fair. I just don't ever see balance with gear mod games. Heck I could make a r/k, stack a load of dex/sta sta/pdef pa/pdef just build literally a tank for a rogue, on pve I would be gimped in PvP I would be a dodging tank with hide.

Anyhow you get my point!