Runes of Magic US / AU

Unfortunately ........ Siege will be out of beta long before most act like adults.
Siege coming out of beta will probably never happen......

Quoted from "ear33402;527452"

So.

Tonight we faced a guild that was, admittedly, a little below us in rankings. We were having a lot of fun- disregarding people porting and lagging and things and generally just enjoying seige.

Until we were accused of hacking. Now, as this is serious, we asked the people who were staying dead spewing verbal abuse at us of how we were hacking (who knows? Someone might have been and if they were we wanted to correct it). To this we were told: "Youre killing me through fearless and youre going immune". This person refused to recognize that we also had fearless, he was fighting a priest with holy aura, cake, candy, etc and that he was also targeted by rogues and that same p/s. He died (as far as I saw) after his fearless went down. When we tried to show him how it could have happened, he continued to stay dead to call us cunts, bitches, jack asses, etc etc.

Now, I understand being upset if someone hacks. I do. But seriously? We were 2 k points above them, most of us have tosh gear and weapons, and we know how to pvp. The p/s in question got 230 kills or something dumb. But seriously, dont just stay dead and spew verbal abuse at us. We have gone up against people who we think are hacking or porting or what have you, but we have the curtesy for the most part to just yell in vent at them but dont just STAY DEAD in front of them spewing abuse. Seige is still in beta- it lags, it messes up. Can we all at least be adults?

Not that this happened, but..

The problem could be with fearless, it's an often un-noticed (by most) bug, sometimes fearless will be gone without warning for no particular reason there have been times where I see the other team cast fearless and I'll be herald so I'll cast fearless as well and my fearless will just end halfway through with me still having a 8 second cooldown on all skills.

That could explain the whole killing through fearless thing, honestly the bug I'm talking about pisses me off a lot when I'm herald since herald already puts you at a large disadvantage during fearless.

An entire guild going immune at the same time is not very likely. More than one mage had the problem. Thunderstorm was cast on groups many times and EVERYONE was immune, not just ONE! A a player barreling through fearless like it doesnt exist is not a common occurance either! He just mowed down everything in his path after it had gone into effect! And you people standing there after a kill telling how easy we are along with all this? Anyone would be easy that way! And you talk about being so much higher than us, why didnt you take the crystal? You came no where close even with all that happening and this gear you bragged about! You just thought we were going to be an easy win and found out different and had to do this other crap to get your win! NO ONE is immune 95% of the time. Candy and pots have cooldowns. Any foold knows it. And Rogues certainly dont have holy aura to use along with the candy and such. You entire guild was going immune together. Or many you have bots to pop them at the same time or something. I had never seen anything like it since I have been playing and that has been since beta! And I will not argue about it. We know what happened and what we saw! What you say here wont change it! You will say anything to try to cover your rear end!

Ehhh, it sucks when that happens, especially when you know why the person thinks you're hacking and you know you're not- it seems so unfair. But nublets will be nublets, all you can do is try and splain and hope that they'll listen eventually.

The herald thing is a pain, when you can't see the bubble I mean. Mine bugs all the time, so I'm used to shouting in vent "Is that fearless???" and my guys usually holler back if it is or if someone caked.

Some of the nublets don't understand about cake and candy, or god forbid, wonky crap like Phoenix and warden immunes, so they get the most butthurt when they see "Immune, Immune, Immune, Immune" etc. Even I get cranky when a warden immunes for what feels like a minute and a half, and I know what they're using is legit.

They'll learn eventually. Until they do you gotta let it run off you like water off a duck's back. "Your tears feed me" etc. One of my guildies has an alt in a lower-level guild and he'll give me the play by play after a siege with them, talking about how every time they see something new they scream "hacks!!1!" He tries to explain and they rarely listen. If you listen to some guilds you'd think RoM siege was a wretched hive of hacking scum and villainy. It isn't, of course, but ehhhh.

They'll get a clue eventually.

Quoted from "hilljack;527468"

An entire guild going immune at the same time is not very likely. More than one mage had the problem. Thunderstorm was cast on groups many times and EVERYONE was immune, not just ONE! A a player barreling through fearless like it doesnt exist is not a common occurance either! He just mowed down everything in his path after it had gone into effect! And you people standing there after a kill telling how easy we are along with all this? Anyone would be easy that way! And you talk about being so much higher than us, why didnt you take the crystal? You came no where close even with all that happening and this gear you bragged about! You just thought we were going to be an easy win and found out different and had to do this other crap to get your win! NO ONE is immune 95% of the time. Candy and pots have cooldowns. Any foold knows it. And Rogues certainly dont have holy aura to use along with the candy and such. You entire guild was going immune together. Or many you have bots to pop them at the same time or something. I had never seen anything like it since I have been playing and that has been since beta! And I will not argue about it. We know what happened and what we saw! What you say here wont change it! You will say anything to try to cover your rear end!

An entire guild going immune at the same time happens every what, 2 minutes?

A player barreling through fearless... no idea. You sure you guys didn't just have a bad connection? That happens sometimes, where the siege server doesn't quite sync up and you get weird lag, that could cause the "I got killed through fearless" thing. I've seen that happen. Client to client lag. Immunes are a pain in siege because it seems like you actually get un-immune like a second sooner than the tooltip says sometimes.

If they could just all go immune on cue, why not just walk into your crystal room, use it, and cap?

As far as I know, even the well-known RoM hacky thinger won't let you just go immune whenever you want to, since taking damage is server side not client side. To go immune like that they'd have needed to hack the server, and that'd be pretty amazing.

If that was hacks, it's the pro-est most unbelievably leet hacks in history.

And we certainly wont forget the rogues that never came out of hide that killed! That was from the very start! That was the first thing we noticed. And it continued throuhout. It was so obviously blatant it was ridiculous! It was like you were not even trying to hide it. You seemed to think that you could do what you want an you knew it wouldnt matter! I guess your candy gives you that capability too. Stupid hackers ALWAYS try to explain everything with candy! And stupid hackers always claim it is a bug. And stupid hackers always call someone a nub who has been playing longer than they have and has endgame tosh gear, like the morons they are! Was nothing but god mode hacks for the fearless. And I dont know the hack for the killing while remailing invisible.

That's cause there isn't one. Even the rumoured (not sure it even exists) exploit that lets you wander around invis as a non-rogue breaks invis in combat.

Just like there isn't a godmode one either.

Jeebus where is that rogue who was explaining about how to kill while being out of hide for less than an instant? Dammit. It was in a thread not that long ago.

They use three skills Hilljack. That's what the best rogues do. You never see them unless you're lucky, cause they're always in hide, and they use Vanish or Escape or whatever as soon as they shoot a Vamp arrow at you from hide. Or do one low blow or whatever. But usually when you get hit by a rogue using that technique they use Vamp, cause they can do it at range, so you'd never see them even though they're visible for an instant.

Look, Hilljack. I don't even know what server you play on, or what server the other guild was from. I don't have a horse in this race. But the things you are describing as hacks can't be hacked.

Either it was a combination of skills you hadn't encountered before, or you had some bugs. It happens. Peace friend.

Quoted from "hilljack;527471"

And we certainly wont forget the rogues that never came out of hide that killed! That was from the very start! That was the first thing we noticed. And it continued throuhout. It was so obviously blatant it was ridiculous! It was like you were not even trying to hide it. You seemed to think that you could do what you want an you knew it wouldnt matter! I guess your candy gives you that capability too. Stupid hackers ALWAYS try to explain everything with candy! And stupid hackers always claim it is a bug. And stupid hackers always call someone a nub who has been playing longer than they have and has endgame tosh gear, like the morons they are! Was nothing but god mode hacks for the fearless. And I dont know the hack for the killing while remailing invisible.

Guess it's time to walk slowly out of the room, you two have some issues with each other obviously lol.

I also have no idea who you two are.

I personally hate being abused in siege. It happens far to often & should be discouraged with short term bans.

I don't know anyone on either side of this debate but a few things are obvious from the above posts.

If someone is hacking why on earth would anyone want to tell him he is hacking? If he is he knows he is & telling him isn't going to change anything... Get the proof & quietly submit it!!

Latency can make it look like someone was killed through Fearless.

Many rogues use a macro to kill & hide. I hate it because very often I don't see them at all but it is not a hack.

For a while now siege has run very poorly for me, ping & fps has been fine but skills lag. I think the siege server is still a bit sick & some tend to blame the other players.

Quoted from "GarryL;527486"

I personally hate being abused in siege. It happens far to often & should be discouraged with short term bans.

I don't know anyone on either side of this debate but a few things are obvious from the above posts.

If someone is hacking why on earth would anyone want to tell him he is hacking? If he is he knows he is & telling him isn't going to change anything... Get the proof & quietly submit it!!

Latency can make it look like someone was killed through Fearless.

Many rogues use a macro to kill & hide. I hate it because very often I don't see them at all but it is not a hack.

For a while now siege has run very poorly for me, ping & fps has been fine but skills lag. I think the siege server is still a bit sick & some tend to blame the other players.

HE is the one that brought this to forums, not me! I gathered the video and he knows it! And as for the macro, they were killing several people consecutively without coming out of hide. And they people were not standing next to each other, they were spread apart. You are not going to move around and kill that way without being seen by someone. You people can make up all the excuses you want for these people. You dont know what you are talking about! Maybe your guild will have the pleasure to be confronted with their hacks one day and then you will keep your nose out of these things! This was far from my first siege. I have been playing since week one of beta. So call me nub all you want. Im not stupid and Im not blind. But you are [removed] for taking up for those that do that crap. And you are always sticking your noses in about things you know nothing about. That is exactly what he wanted and that is why he posted here. I just made the video and was going to send it in and was going to post nothing here. That [removed] posted here, not me. I just responded to what he said and to what you have said!

@hilljack,

You need to chill out a little. I did not call you nub, stupid or blind but you are rather bad mannered..

there is a LOT of lag in siege...i know it cuz I happen to have bad lag...i relog before siege and everything, and constantly get accused of hacking, its just part of the game =) I rage a lil bit when i see someone lag porting around...but remeber i do it to >.< just part of wonderfull siege!

Quoted from "ear33402;527452"

Can we all at least be adults?

I second that.

Also I would appreciate if the name calling and personal attacks would stop now and you would discuss calmly and accept other opinions even if you do not agree with them. If you suspect someone hacked, you report it to support. You do not start yelling insults in world chat or any other chat. It will most likely get YOU sanctioned for bad-mouthing other players.

Not everything you deem a hack has to be one. Lag can cause issues that might appear as ill-doing to you. Just because you loose a battle does not make the other player a hacker. IF a player cheated, the only one who can determine that is the investigating team at our support based on your report.

It should be possible to discuss if certain skills might have caused you to loose and to discuss siege wars strategies and siege wars issues without personal attacks and accusations of ill-doing. If you want to discuss cheaters and hackers, you do so with support. If you want to discuss siege wars, skills and play-styles, you do it in forum. If you can not do so without taking the curve back to hacking accusations, I will have to ask you to contact support and close this thread.

rogues typically come in and out of hide extremely fast...ie pop out: vamp, shot, skill to re-enter hide, dead mage, i see a ton. half the time i dont see the glimpse of them and just deaded. as fan said, for once in less than a paperback, theres some things that simply arent possible to "hax". invulnerability is held server side...not manipulable. invis/hide..same. seeing invis...client side. etc etc

I'm no advocate of hacking. It is well known in our guild that if we see anyone cheating for *any reason* and it can be verified, they are out... see 'ya... abybynow...

That established, I will say that this sort of stuff bugged me too. I decided that I would hop on a kindle and head to a coffee shop (so I didn't have as much to fear from malware) and did some research. What folks are saying here is absolutely correct. I won't pretend to understand the nuances of it all, but the bottom line is that there are programs out there that can modify your data *in your client*. This is only 1/3rd of the whole in PvP. You have You client, the server, and the opponent's client.

There is no such thing as god-mode; (unless you are fighting a GM/CM) doesn't exist. From my extensive 15 min survey of all things cheat, is clearly not for a lack of people trying. Nothing related to HP, Damage, Money, and items is really held locally. The server also "checks" the logic of many functions so that, even if you could, say, make your client tell the server that it just got an additional 100mil gold, the server is going to recognize that and zap it.

The stuff that people can do is basically limited to *their* sight and movement. What they can't do is make themselves invisible to another person. That would involve one client, not only altering another client, but even being able to directly communicate with another client. One player in this game has no way to know what other ISP's they are connected to. Even if you did, you would have to match that up with the on screen character you wanted to alter and cause the effects in real time. Highly unlikely.

What it comes down to is that if you see someone swimming over your castle or climbing mountains that can't be climbed, there is a chance that they are hacking. It is also possible that there is another cause that is out of the player's hands. If someone is porting around, it is possible that it is a hack but it is far more likely that it is lag. From my readings, most of the movement cheats are very finicky anyway, as the server will try to correct it when it gets something weird.

Lastly, I want to say that I'm *NOT* trying to provide any assistance to would be cheaters here (if GM's think it is too much of a hint to would be wrongdoers, remove it). I just got tired of hearing people call one another cheats, getting called a cheat, and thinking people were cheating even though I had no actual understanding of how/what they may be doing. In about 15 min of reading, I learned that 99% of what gets called a cheat isn't, pure and simple.

As info for the people who carry on about getting killed through fearless or holy aura... There are two class combos in this game that can legitimately debuff those right off of you.

This all goes back to the "Learn the dual class elite skills before making accusations" discussion that has been around the block numerous times.

Quoted from "flyingltj;527533"

As info for the people who carry on about getting killed through fearless or holy aura... There are two class combos in this game that can legitimately debuff those right off of you.

This all goes back to the "Learn the dual class elite skills before making accusations" discussion that has been around the block numerous times.

3 classes, S/W R/M and P/R, and only one of those people legitimately play and all of them have fairly long cooldowns and 2 of them are 'chances'.

You know honestly they should get rid of the cool down period of herald during fearless though, I don't see why they made the herald a sitting duck during the duration fearless.

Everything the OP is accused of seems to have a relatively practical solution in siege.

Whole guild going immune- Have you ever had a herald cast fearless? 3 minute cooldown.

Never coming out of hide-well, rotate your camera, or get some scouts, because that definitly sounds like visual illusions/hide.

Killing you through fearless- fearless can be wiped right off you by opponents of they have a priest/rogue or a scout/warrior.

Would be nice to have a video, if you saved one, sent to messaged to me so I can show you exactly what they did.