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Friday, June 15th 2012, 7:12am

Changes to battlefield, why?

Arena and Battlefield:

Adjustments to the Arena and Battlefield Queue: Starting from level 30, every 10 levels will be considered as a range.
- I like this idea and it's maybe the only thing that even makes sense.

The Battlefield or Arena will be automatically closed when the total amount of players in combat is less than 80% or the difference in size of two teams is greater than one player.

-What? They shouldn't of done anything to how the fight closes (3v3, 6v6, karros, mountain). To be flat out honest, I think it's stupid and I would love an explanation on why it was done. A 3v3 closes with 2 people on each side....why? I just don't understand why this was even changed, there is NO NEED to force a close on battlefield, the result is noone gets honorpoints and noone gets to fight. This for the most part, SADLY ruins another aspect of this game, you've come very close to destroying battlefields. There is no positive change made here, whoever sat in a room with their colleagues thinking, "We should do this change", has proved without a doubt, that they have never spent time in the game they work on, especially in an arena. It's just overly sad this was done.


-The few things that should of been done but not really necessary...

the ramp area of 3v3/6v6 to have a debuff (defense/attack is reduced by % and increases the longer you stay near enemies crystal/rune area) that shows up like in karros when you attempt to spawn camp.

Also when in a 3v3 or a 6v6 or even karros and mountain..you'll sometimes see 3red(or 5-6) vs 1 blue and the blue is in the first slot of the que and the rest of the red are piled on top, what seems to happen is that in this rare occurrence the blue or the team with 1 (in the first slot of the player list that shows kills, dmg etc) player is unable to get players on their team to help. This happens frequently and I am unsure what causes it, it is also not a big deal overall because sometimes players just hang out and talk.

Either way a new arena would pop up after and all would be fine and sometimes properly balanced, NOT now though and unless changed, again..you've inevitably killed that aspect of this game.



The resurrection protection in the Arena and Battlefield won’t disappear when riding a mount or casting war preparation skills.
The resurrection protection in the Arena and Battlefield will disappear after a certain time period, but it lasts at least 10 seconds.
The Visdun Fortress is now a one-on-one battlefield.

-3 changes that shouldn't of even been done, it doesn't help or hurt, waste of time even working on code to change...not even worth typing about.




The devs had a great chance to pump some life into this game on this new chapter, battlefields have not been changed ever since I've played and if you were to of changed anything I would of hoped it was going to be new maps or situations, but nope..you guys dropped the ball so terribly. I am very sad to see these changes and I hope others are also with me.

Please, stop taking our fun away, some of us need it to save from our normal lives.
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 9:46am

The intention is so that if one team has too many players (say if its 6v1) the game will auto close, because that fight would be just messed up.

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Friday, June 15th 2012, 9:51am

Quoted from "thebadtouch09;538043"

The intention is so that if one team has too many players (say if its 6v1) the game will auto close, because that fight would be just messed up.


Yes but in practice, it closes matches that are 2v2 3v2 and everything else. Basically matches don''t happen anymore.

In the previous scenerio, maybe it was 6 lower geared players vs 1 well geared person. If matches are really uneven, people usually leave anyway or try to overcome the numbers disadvantage. This change fixed nothing and causes all kinds of problems
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Tuesday, June 19th 2012, 10:24am

Im very new, and just learning the basics, but I have to agree that the battlefields are wrong. Even when you can finally get into a battlefield, 9 of 10 get autoclosed. i think autoclose should not happen, and leave it up to the player if they wanna go against the odds...

just my two cents, after spending most of the day frustrated at battlegrounds in general.

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Tuesday, June 19th 2012, 11:50am

Lol what a stupid thing to complain about. Honestly, you're complaining that a 3 vs 3 battlefield will close if it isn't 3 v 3? It's not 2 vs 2, so it's definitely not going to stay open if there are only 2 players vs 2 players.

Anyways, your complaint is that they made these changes and not any new maps.

Which they are. They've stated that new battlefields will be added in the future. :)
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Tuesday, June 19th 2012, 4:44pm

Quoted from "tmblake09;539294"

Lol what a stupid thing to complain about. Honestly, you're complaining that a 3 vs 3 battlefield will close if it isn't 3 v 3? It's not 2 vs 2, so it's definitely not going to stay open if there are only 2 players vs 2 players.


Why is it stupid? It's something I enjoy thoroughly in this game and one of the only things. It's obvious you have spent little time in battlefields if you think it's stupid, you're just being ignorant.

What you don't understand is that lots of players ALL LEVEL range play in the arenas and them closing automatically ruins the fun myself...AND many others have. I'm sorry you don't experience the same enjoyment that I do in arenas and just because you don't, doesn't mean the complaint is stupid.

If you bothered to read my entire thread comprehensively you would notice that I did mention that they failed to implement new maps. :)

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Wednesday, June 20th 2012, 1:19am

Quoted from "Purebanana;539341"

Why is it stupid? It's something I enjoy thoroughly in this game and one of the only things. It's obvious you have spent little time in battlefields if you think it's stupid, you're just being ignorant.

What you don't understand is that lots of players ALL LEVEL range play in the arenas and them closing automatically ruins the fun myself...AND many others have. I'm sorry you don't experience the same enjoyment that I do in arenas and just because you don't, doesn't mean the complaint is stupid.

If you bothered to read my entire thread comprehensively you would notice that I did mention that they failed to implement new maps. :)

Oh honey. Please re-read what I said, thank you.

"Your complaint is that they made these changes and NOT any new maps."
Then I went on to inform you that they are going to be adding new mini-maps in the future.

Next point of business: You know you've lost an argument when you make statements about someone in a factual manner when you know 0% about that person.

Like what you said: "It's obvious you have spent little time in battlefields."

I have spent PLENTY time in battlefields and quite enjoy them, and think it's about time they finally added more level brackets. However, I still think we will run into the issue of level 29 twinks. Anyways, if one person leaves a 3 vs 3 game, it should definitely end because that is not a fair balance. Same with 6 v 6 and so on.

In my opinion they should have made it so you CAN'T leave battlefields.
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Wednesday, June 20th 2012, 1:44am

Quoted from "tmblake09;539500"

Oh honey. Please re-read what I said, thank you.

"Your complaint is that they made these changes and NOT any new maps."
Then I went on to inform you that they are going to be adding new mini-maps in the future.

Next point of business: You know you've lost an argument when you make statements about someone in a factual manner when you know 0% about that person.

Like what you said: "It's obvious you have spent little time in battlefields."

I have spent PLENTY time in battlefields and quite enjoy them, and think it's about time they finally added more level brackets. However, I still think we will run into the issue of level 29 twinks. Anyways, if one person leaves a 3 vs 3 game, it should definitely end because that is not a fair balance. Same with 6 v 6 and so on.

In my opinion they should have made it so you CAN'T leave battlefields.


The problem is matches rarely happen with the way things are currently. This means i pretty much dont get to do anything in the battlefields since it jst autocloses all the time.

If it was say 3v2, much of the time another member would join the current match to even it out anyway. Other times a 2v4 match is perfectly balanced regardless of the numbers because people are all at different gear levels.

The auto closing of matches was an unneeded change and has effectly killed my ability to participate in arena now
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Wednesday, June 20th 2012, 2:54am

Quoted from "tmblake09;539500"

Oh honey. Please re-read what I said, thank you.

"Your complaint is that they made these changes and NOT any new maps."
Then I went on to inform you that they are going to be adding new mini-maps in the future.


I read that and disregarded it as you didn't provide any support to the claim, either way the majority of things RW,FA,GF seem to say don't eventually happen. So yes I did read that part.


Quoted from "tmblake09;539500"

Next point of business: You know you've lost an argument when you make statements about someone in a factual manner when you know 0% about that person.



I don't really want to feel as if you're baiting me into turning this into a flame fest (I'll certainly pass! :) ), you live on these forums, I don't. That is the difference. I've read enough of your posts in the last few days to come to any conclusion, also the "next point of business" being used in a thread is very laughable, thanks. :)

Quoted from "tmblake09;539500"

Like what you said: "It's obvious you have spent little time in battlefields."

I have spent PLENTY time in battlefields and quite enjoy them, and think it's about time they finally added more level brackets. However, I still think we will run into the issue of level 29 twinks.


I play in the 30-39 and the highest bracket mostly so I don't know about level 29 twinks, there are also some huge 30-39 twinks, level 72 twinks and by the looks of it, level 49 twinks. The level of the arena is completely moot. LOL :)

Balancing issues will never be fixed through the method in which they are trying to fix it, THIS IS THE MAIN POINT of the thread. For them to balance it thoroughly would require a new way of either a point system other than the honor point system itself, OR something completely different that checks gear/weapons/ or something else. The latter would never happen but whatever intention they had with the current change, stinks and need to be switched.


I think Qvaffy2 understands. :)
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Wednesday, June 20th 2012, 2:56am

Quoted from "Quaffy2;539506"

If it was say 3v2, much of the time another member would join the current match to even it out anyway. Other times a 2v4 match is perfectly balanced regardless of the numbers because people are all at different gear levels.
Except you are forgetting that there are more tiers to battlefields now. The only place that will somewhat effect people is in the level 50-59 and 60-69 range. Everyone knows the big boy gear comes at 55, so anyone below 55 without their big boy gear will always be at a disadvantage. They should know this joining arenas to begin with.

Every five levels after that, the gear gets as good as the gear before it plussed and tiered. So levels will always be slightly outbalanced in those tiers, but before that, gear is almost negligible. Tho only instances of outbalance will be the usual twinked out player who got their character to the max level of that tier (i.e. 29, or 39, or 49, etc). However, there's not much that can be done there.

I can't tell you how many times I have joined an arena only to find that the other person leaves upon seeing that my equipment is better than there's.

If you don't have the balls to play in arena, don't join it. :)
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Wednesday, June 20th 2012, 2:58am

Does anyone know what happened to every 10 levels after 1-29 is a level bracket?

...I saw a level 26 in my pvp match on my level 55 today. -.-

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Wednesday, June 20th 2012, 3:34am

Quoted from "tmblake09;539528"

Except you are forgetting that there are more tiers to battlefields now. The only place that will somewhat effect people is in the level 50-59 and 60-69 range. Everyone knows the big boy gear comes at 55, so anyone below 55 without their big boy gear will always be at a disadvantage. They should know this joining arenas to begin with.

Every five levels after that, the gear gets as good as the gear before it plussed and tiered. So levels will always be slightly outbalanced in those tiers, but before that, gear is almost negligible. Tho only instances of outbalance will be the usual twinked out player who got their character to the max level of that tier (i.e. 29, or 39, or 49, etc). However, there's not much that can be done there.

I can't tell you how many times I have joined an arena only to find that the other person leaves upon seeing that my equipment is better than there's.

If you don't have the balls to play in arena, don't join it. :)


That's nice and all, but I'm not forgetting anything and what you said is unrelated to the issues I raised. You do realize not every person who plays with the "big boys" has fully endgame statted gear, there are ranges to how well geared people are (as you pointed out in my quote). Max lv people go in there ranging from 20k-200k and all can have a good time but are obviously not at the same gear lv.

I win matches where I am outnumbered ALL the time and would like the option to try taking on the other team instead of having the match forcefully closed. It is really discouraging waiting the whole minute or so before the match starts and getting buffed up for it to just say, NOPE - no match for you because we are missing one player at the start (who actually may join in a few seconds after the match begins).
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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 6:56pm

Well I agree with everyone saying its crap, they even screwed up the autoclose aspect because all the time i get into 1v1 matches with people about the same hp as me so it seems like an even fight but as soon as it starts it closes the match. And the 3v3 stuff should not autoclose because for me it is rare to even get into a full 6 player match (60-69 lvl range) and i havent got into one since that didnt autoclose. It really just takes the fun out of it.

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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 7:06pm

Quoted from "Quaffy2;539548"



I win matches where I am outnumbered ALL the time and would like the option to try taking on the other team instead of having the match forcefully closed.


That's cause P/S is op! Nerf iceblade!

/runs away.

Ya Arenas are crap now. THe only one that ever even starts anymore is 1v1. And 95% of the time it's a rogue so you get ganked as soon as you step off the ramp.
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Thursday, July 19th 2012, 8:09pm

Nothing is quite so satisfying as ganking a p/s in arena. <3

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Thursday, July 19th 2012, 8:12pm

Quoted from "brogue;547073"

Nothing is quite so satisfying as ganking a p/s in arena. <3


Rogue is OP as heck in normal PvP XD It's only really siege where P/S shines, cause we have all those wee lil defenses to hide behind :P
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Thursday, July 19th 2012, 8:51pm

Turthfully, A mage/wd or m/d is better in siege than a priest/scout in equal mage gear. No one screams for their nerf because there are so few of them left from ch 3 were they were god aweful.
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Thursday, July 19th 2012, 11:59pm

Quoted from "Winston;547083"

Turthfully, A mage/wd or m/d is better in siege than a priest/scout in equal mage gear. No one screams for their nerf because there are so few of them left from ch 3 were they were god aweful.

You stop that! I dont want to get hit with maga blade anymore.

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Friday, July 20th 2012, 3:06am

Quoted from "thebadtouch09;547137"

You stop that! I dont want to get hit with maga blade anymore.


Then would u prefer to be hit with Earth Groaning Wind Blade, it's worse than magma
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Tuesday, July 24th 2012, 9:45pm

I love how they have a new and improved PvP section on the upgraded website. Yet it doesn't explain that you will rarely ever do a karros, 6v6 under the current arena change. I feel so stupid playing this game when parts of it are so broke yet they try to promote it and make it appealing.

It's so frustrating and all these moderators or even gms that say they play on the US servers are so full of BS, they would actually understand a normal players plight.

I guess noone gives a crap about battlefields so maybe that is why they changed it so less stress on servers or something. I just can't think of a reasonable explanation to why it was changed and seemingly the moderators, gms, don't want to help out the situation.

It's disgusting how we are treated as players in this game and how our problems are responded too. Gameforge you need to fix this issue, I want to buy diamonds, I have a ton of cash but you leave me with no interest to help your company when you refuse to help us. Pathetic! Pathetic! Pathetic!Pathetic!Pathetic!Pathetic!

This isn't rocket science here, just change the arenas back, REMOVE THE 80% or forced close. Seriously, how hard can it be? Maybe we can get a response from one of the GMs or forum mods that say they play this game and they can enlighten us with their oh so valuable information all while collecting a check.

Yes I'm angry.
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