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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 5:11am

Using faces to take down a gate, exploit or no?

So tonight we had a fun war against Condemned or at least it was fun in the beginning I should say.
Then we found out their rogue: Thestalos was putting up faces all around our gates. This takes down the gate in about 2~3 minutes once you have enough down. It was very cute indeed yet I would consider this as much of an exploit as jumping over castle walls.

Is this an exploit or no? If not, I'll consider doing this every siege from now on :) Please let me know kthx <3

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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 5:15am

That's just cheez, that's an exploit, funny how some people are looking for new ways to glitch gates.

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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 5:16am

So it's not supposed to happen then right? Damage dealt by faces is not supposed to hit the gates?

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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 5:17am

I don't see how it is an exploit.. they're using a weapon of siege to take down a gate.

I've done this before in siege wars where I'm the only one on my alt. Works wonders. xD
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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 5:23am

i agree with l3g3nd. people shouldnt have to cheat just because they want to win. the games about having fun. not making other people have less fun by cheating.

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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 5:25am

Quoted from "heirienza;547757"

i agree with l3g3nd. people shouldnt have to cheat just because they want to win. the games about having fun. not making other people have less fun by cheating.


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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 5:32am

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So it's not supposed to happen then right? Damage dealt by faces is not supposed to hit the gates?


I wasn't aware faces even dealt damage? How much?

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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 5:34am

ahhhhh something another guild did to us suddenly makes sense. working as intended no?
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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 5:42am

Quoted from "regentego;547761"

I wasn't aware faces even dealt damage? How much?


I don't want to exaggerate. The screenshot was when our mage thundered away most of the faces already. It went from 100% to 0% in 2 minutes. I wasn't there to watch it on the B gate.

At the A gate it went from 97 to 84 to 66, etc, etc while more faces were being set up. Took like 15 seconds per drop in %.

My main concern is if it's an exploit because like trav said, if it's intended, then I will be doing the same =)

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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 7:35am

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I don't want to exaggerate. The screenshot was when our mage thundered away most of the faces already. It went from 100% to 0% in 2 minutes. I wasn't there to watch it on the B gate.

At the A gate it went from 97 to 84 to 66, etc, etc while more faces were being set up. Took like 15 seconds per drop in %.

My main concern is if it's an exploit because like trav said, if it's intended, then I will be doing the same =)


And now it's gonna be far more common :(

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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 7:54am

I know we usually put faces down AFTER the gate is down but never thoguht to use them to take a gate down itself :o
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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 12:05pm

If it was an exploit don't you thing the dev's would have changed it? The fots on gates has been going on forever, I don't think it's an exploit at all. Like someone said its a tool to fight with, next you'll say using flame towers on gates is an exploit.
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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 3:57pm

So amongst all the other exploits that are known now using items provided within Siege are being classified an exploit to?

I've never seen it done....but nothing about the description sounds like an exploit to me. If it is, whats next? Putting up to many flame towers an exploit also? Using eyes to detect Rogues an exploit now?

I wouldn't call it an exploit......tactic or strategy sound like a better description.
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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 4:23pm

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I wouldn't call it an exploit......tactic or strategy sound like a better description.

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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 7:16pm

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If it was an exploit don't you thing the dev's would have changed it? The fots on gates has been going on forever, I don't think it's an exploit at all. Like someone said its a tool to fight with, next you'll say using flame towers on gates is an exploit.


If it is an exploit you can bet dollars to donuts that no, they developers would not have changed it or fixed it, even having complete knowledge it is being exploited. There are literally enough exploits, bugs, and problems in this game to fill the Mariana Trench... and maybe a hand full get addressed per year.

An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or design flaw including glitches, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers. (google search the definition of exploit.)

FOTs are not designed to burn gates.

Breaking this down... applying this and a little common sense we get "Use of a bug or design flaw by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers."
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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 7:24pm

I don't know why this is an issue though. Just have gates set on focus. If you see it go down slightly and see lots of FoTs, just get a mage and T-storm them all. 1 hit and they're all dead - and the opposing guild won't ever waste that much merits on Fots ever again.

And for the same amount of merits, you can just get a scroll and take it down quickly.
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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 7:27pm

Quoted from "MPHick;559625"

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Alot of what people call exploits are just tatics. Its called Seige WAR for a reason, all great armys use tatics in war. Its the simple truth.


No. It's not a tactic if someone is using / doing something for an unintended effect and they know it.
I doubt faces were meant to be able to take down a gate but the guild we fought knew they were able to and thus exploited their effects.

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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 7:49pm

The inner gate is immune to treachery effects, as of the lastest patch, just fyi.

Anyway, I don't consider it an exploit in the slightest. People jumping to hit me on the parapets, shadow-stepping the gate, or sending in warden pets to kill buildings is more of an exploit. There you are using skills/pets/the space bar in a way it wasn't intended for the purpose of siege.

Here, You're using an object in siege to kill another object in siege. I'm not sure but I do think faces do (extremely small) % based damage attack on you as well as knock you down, that's why they kill gates as fast as they do. If we would keep faces from killing the gates why not make them immune from flame towers and siege weapons as well.
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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 8:05pm

All you have to do is read what we are told a treachery should do:

A strange machine that regularly casts curses.
It inflicts all enemies within range with Slow and
causes them difficulties in advancing.

The slow effect would not take the gate down.

So this would be an exploit and if used against our guild, expect to be screen shot and turned in!

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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 8:07pm

Quoted from "montanamick;559652"

I have also noticed that many of those players whining that exploits just just "legal tactics" are also players from guilds that we have had seen massive hacker activity from.....

My guild does NOT hack, anyone caught hacking is immeaditly expelled from the guild. I do not condone to hacking. What I am talking about is using something the game gives you (Faces in this case) and using them to the best of their ability. That is not hacking that is using good tatics. And I am sorry if you dont agree with me.

Quoted from "L3g3nd;559677"

No. It's not a tactic if someone is using / doing something for an unintended effect and they know it.
I doubt faces were meant to be able to take down a gate but the guild we fought knew they were able to and thus exploited their effects.


I understand where you are coming from and can see your reasoning behind it. BUT is it an exploit? No, again it is just good tatics. You are using something that the game gives you and using it, that is not an exploit that is tatics plain and simple.