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Tuesday, December 4th 2012, 5:41am

Targeting

Since Chapter 5 came out I've noticed something more frequently used by guilds. They have this auto-targeting or auto-aim, to be precise, that automatically targets any enemy. I know there's tab targeting, but this is different. They can target a player and then quickly switch to another player, kill that player and automatically target the same player again. I know this is possible with tab targeting, but it happens very very fast.

Another evidence is when someone became invisible and reappeared right next to an opponent , they were automatically killed right after when they were near an opponent. And I'm not saying 5 seconds later or even 4. It was literally right when the invisible buff wore off. Another case involving going invisible was there was me and another guild mate. The enemy was clearly targeting me. I then used an invisible potion, and right when i disappeared from his view, he targeted my guild mate right away, with supernatural speed.

I don't know if some outside targeting device or really well made in game macro is used, but has anyone encountered this and find it unfair or handicapping? There might be some people out there who has mad tabbing/targeting skills, but to be executed by half a guild's population is quite suspicious.

This isn't something that I encountered just tonight's or yesterday's Siege War, but over time. And I just noticed the increased popularity of it within multiple guilds from multiple servers. I'm not pointing out any specific guilds. I wonder what the Runes of Magic community thinks of this. Post your opinions or experiences. I know this isn't hacking, unless there is indeed a 3rd party mechanism at work, but it does indeed ruin a lot of aspects from Siege War.

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Tuesday, December 4th 2012, 5:57am

Quoted from "completedecade;579611"

Since Chapter 5 came out I've noticed something more frequently used by guilds. They have this auto-targeting or auto-aim, to be precise, that automatically targets any enemy. I know there's tab targeting, but this is different. They can target a player and then quickly switch to another player, kill that player and automatically target the same player again. I know this is possible with tab targeting, but it happens very very fast.

Another evidence is when someone became invisible and reappeared right next to an opponent , they were automatically killed right after when they were near an opponent. And I'm not saying 5 seconds later or even 4. It was literally right when the invisible buff wore off. Another case involving going invisible was there was me and another guild mate. The enemy was clearly targeting me. I then used an invisible potion, and right when i disappeared from his view, he targeted my guild mate right away, with supernatural speed.

I don't know if some outside targeting device or really well made in game macro is used, but has anyone encountered this and find it unfair or handicapping? There might be some people out there who has mad tabbing/targeting skills, but to be executed by half a guild's population is quite suspicious.

This isn't something that I encountered just tonight's or yesterday's Siege War, but over time. And I just noticed the increased popularity of it within multiple guilds from multiple servers. I'm not pointing out any specific guilds. I wonder what the Runes of Magic community thinks of this. Post your opinions or experiences. I know this isn't hacking, unless there is indeed a 3rd party mechanism at work, but it does indeed ruin a lot of aspects from Siege War.


if you look into the macro section titled usefull macros ,you will find a target player only macro.
this can be used for spam attacks .works really well with a 1 shot skill that has no cooldown.
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Tuesday, December 4th 2012, 6:34am

The problem with targetting macro is that, like tab targetting, you have to click a button on the keyboard, and it has about the same range as tab targetting. So assuming no pets/enemy defenses, its basically the same thing as tab targetting.

I think what OP is talking about is some macro/addon whatever that automatically targets whoever is targetting you. I've seen it in siege before, where as soon as I target someone, 0.3 seconds later, they have me targetted. Not sure what to make of it - its not really an exploit or anything, and gives you a higher chance of killing those sneaky rogues if they don't oneshot you.
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Tuesday, December 4th 2012, 6:55am

Quoted from "ruisen2000;579614"

The problem with targetting macro is that, like tab targetting, you have to click a button on the keyboard, and it has about the same range as tab targetting. So assuming no pets/enemy defenses, its basically the same thing as tab targetting.

I think what OP is talking about is some macro/addon whatever that automatically targets whoever is targetting you. I've seen it in siege before, where as soon as I target someone, 0.3 seconds later, they have me targetted. Not sure what to make of it - its not really an exploit or anything, and gives you a higher chance of killing those sneaky rogues if they don't oneshot you.


It's a certain addon that the community has raged about before, the thing I like most about things like this is that the other day someone was running one way and did a 180 on me didn't even turn around when they shot. Though this'll quickly become a QQ thread. All I'll say is it's sorta annoying and it doesn't really require skill to use.

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Tuesday, December 4th 2012, 6:57am

Quoted from "completedecade;579611"

since chapter 5 came out i've noticed something more frequently used by guilds. They have this auto-targeting or auto-aim, to be precise, that automatically targets any enemy. I know there's tab targeting, but this is different. They can target a player and then quickly switch to another player, kill that player and automatically target the same player again. I know this is possible with tab targeting, but it happens very very fast.

Another evidence is when someone became invisible and reappeared right next to an opponent , they were automatically killed right after when they were near an opponent. And i'm not saying 5 seconds later or even 4. It was literally right when the invisible buff wore off. Another case involving going invisible was there was me and another guild mate. The enemy was clearly targeting me. I then used an invisible potion, and right when i disappeared from his view, he targeted my guild mate right away, with supernatural speed.

I don't know if some outside targeting device or really well made in game macro is used, but has anyone encountered this and find it unfair or handicapping? There might be some people out there who has mad tabbing/targeting skills, but to be executed by half a guild's population is quite suspicious.

This isn't something that i encountered just tonight's or yesterday's siege war, but over time. And i just noticed the increased popularity of it within multiple guilds from multiple servers. I'm not pointing out any specific guilds. I wonder what the runes of magic community thinks of this. Post your opinions or experiences. I know this isn't hacking, unless there is indeed a 3rd party mechanism at work, but it does indeed ruin a lot of aspects from siege war.

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Tuesday, December 4th 2012, 7:01am

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diyce.


Aw I wanted to be vague so that this didn't become a Diyce QQ thread.

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Tuesday, December 4th 2012, 2:47pm

the target player only macro when with the addition of a one shot attack can cause alot of people to cry hax.for example, ice blade from an op p/s if the ice blade does enough dmg to one shot i can walk in and kill several people in 2 seconds .(as fast as i hit the button it re targets closest enemy and casts ice blade).now this is really nothing more than i simple version of diyce.
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Tuesday, December 4th 2012, 4:28pm

You do not need to use DIYCE to be able to tab target.

If you check my signature you can find player-only targeting macro. (Also as far as I know, unless the player adds the camera change in his DIYCE macro, it is all done by hand).

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Tuesday, December 4th 2012, 5:00pm

Quoted from "completedecade;579611"

I know there's tab targeting, but this is different. They can target a player and then quickly switch to another player, kill that player and automatically target the same player again. I know this is possible with tab targeting, but it happens very very fast.



That's all it is. I can tab target and kill people really fast, no diyce needed. It isnt like we have to manually click on people for targeting...

And even if they need diyce for help (which they shouldnt for siege) it still requires them to press a button each time; targeting and killing isnt done for them without pressing the button
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Tuesday, December 4th 2012, 5:34pm

Quoted from "mrmisterwaa;579663"

You do not need to use DIYCE to be able to tab target.

If you check my signature you can find player-only targeting macro. (Also as far as I know, unless the player adds the camera change in his DIYCE macro, it is all done by hand).

You dont meed camera change either. If you play with the traditional WASD setup, your camera movement is very, very slow. Switch up how you move, and your camera view becomes much more fluid. For example, that 180 or 360 or whatever in middair that Kef experienced. I took click to move off for that very reason.

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Tuesday, December 4th 2012, 5:41pm

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You dont meed camera change either. If you play with the traditional WASD setup, your camera movement is very, very slow. Switch up how you move, and your camera view becomes much more fluid. For example, that 180 or 360 or whatever in middair that Kef experienced. I took click to move off for that very reason.


I have always used my mouse to move my character. I tend to never use my w or d key.

Movement is extremely fluid with me using the hold to move on my mouse and the ability to change my camera angle very fast.

I never liked using q or r to rotate my screen.

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Tuesday, December 4th 2012, 10:55pm

Quoted from "ruisen2000;579614"

I think what OP is talking about is some macro/addon whatever that automatically targets whoever is targetting you. I've seen it in siege before, where as soon as I target someone, 0.3 seconds later, they have me targetted. Not sure what to make of it - its not really an exploit or anything, and gives you a higher chance of killing those sneaky rogues if they don't oneshot you.


Quoted from "Kefkai;579618"

It's a certain addon that the community has raged about before, the thing I like most about things like this is that the other day someone was running one way and did a 180 on me didn't even turn around when they shot. Though this'll quickly become a QQ thread. All I'll say is it's sorta annoying and it doesn't really require skill to use.


when you are targetting nothing(not even yourself) and u are hit by a player, your target autolocks onto the player that hit you...i use this frequently in pvp against rogues...

also for the backwards shooting/attacking, if you jump while running, you can turn your character 180 degrees, shoot, and turn back around before u land and continue the same way u were going...also, when auto-running and use a skill, you auto-aim to the target, and if u hold the right mouse button down, and keep going forward, it appears u never turned around
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Tuesday, December 4th 2012, 11:17pm

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also for the backwards shooting/attacking, if you jump while running, you can turn your character 180 degrees, shoot, and turn back around before u land and continue the same way u were going...also, when auto-running and use a skill, you auto-aim to the target, and if u hold the right mouse button down, and keep going forward, it appears u never turned around


They didn't jump and I was in hide as soon as I came into range of their detection I was hit, that's pretty much the definition of Diyce. No one has that kind of reaction time on their own. I really need to get my Bandicam working on Windows 8 so I can start filiming siege again

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Tuesday, December 4th 2012, 11:35pm

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They didn't jump and I was in hide as soon as I came into range of their detection I was hit, that's pretty much the definition of Diyce. No one has that kind of reaction time on their own. I really need to get my Bandicam working on Windows 8 so I can start filiming siege again


Actually, that is pretty much the definition of what DIYCE is not. For what you describe to happen, the DIYCE user had to have known you were coming, and from where, and to have been spamming their DIYCE macro button. Elements that anyone could have done, given those assumptions whether they had DIYCE or not. DIYCE uses the TargetNearestEnemy() command, also known as tab targetting and we all know the limitations of that; and it requires the user to take action i.e. press macro button. People can go in and modify the DIYCE code but you are still delimited to the command set available.

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Wednesday, December 5th 2012, 2:03am

This reminds me of when I wrecked 5 people on a bridge back to back in siege. One of them said nice diyce! I replied back with thanks bro :)

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Wednesday, December 5th 2012, 3:02am

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Actually, that is pretty much the definition of what DIYCE is not. For what you describe to happen, the DIYCE user had to have known you were coming, and from where, and to have been spamming their DIYCE macro button. Elements that anyone could have done, given those assumptions whether they had DIYCE or not. DIYCE uses the TargetNearestEnemy() command, also known as tab targetting and we all know the limitations of that; and it requires the user to take action i.e. press macro button. People can go in and modify the DIYCE code but you are still delimited to the command set available.


Or have Diyce constantly enabled, there are ways to do that. I'm sure I could prove you wrong if I had the time to. Unfortunately at this time of the year I do not. Around Christmas I'll have more time, but I know how to make the setup.

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Wednesday, December 5th 2012, 3:07am

Quoted from "Kefkai;579760"

Or have Diyce constantly enabled, there are ways to do that. I'm sure I could prove you wrong if I had the time to. Unfortunately at this time of the year I do not. Around Christmas I'll have more time, but I know how to make the setup.


...that pretty much sounds like botting
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Wednesday, December 5th 2012, 3:14am

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...that pretty much sounds like botting


There is a very fine line, a very fine one. Someone still has to move the character, that takes.... skill... I guess? I can't imagine anyone wanting to play like that though.

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Wednesday, December 5th 2012, 1:46pm

I use DIYCE in siege but i have had that auto targeting disabled since the first day i installed 2.0

Its horrible for pve i dont wanna randomly pull a mob during an instance run.

In siege i use the tab macro to filter out pets(wish it would targe the wd/s pet though)

I usually hit auto run then spam tab and diyce macro at the same time and watch the bodies hit the floor. Thats usually when im called a hacker. They wanna know how you can kill people so fast, tab 1 shot tab 1 shot tab 1 shot. But not all siege are like that.

Only sieiges i hate are when we fight guilds like LagAssassins or was it MidnightPorters i forget the name, where half there players just finished farming DOD for 2 hours and dont relog. Im sure you have faced them before and know what im talking about.

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Wednesday, December 5th 2012, 5:02pm

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Or have Diyce constantly enabled, there are ways to do that. I'm sure I could prove you wrong if I had the time to. Unfortunately at this time of the year I do not. Around Christmas I'll have more time, but I know how to make the setup.


Well, go ahead, but my answer to you already will be that that is no longer DIYCE; but your new coding where you have just borrowed elements from DIYCE. We'll call it KefkaiDIYCE and you can disparage users of KefkaiDIYCE and leave regular users of DIYCE alone.