Runes of Magic US / AU

Kefkai,

You are just mad that DIYCE simplifies the process of combat. It isn't botting because you always have to push the button to do anything.

No matter what happens DIYCE is there to follow a certain logic to use it's spells. When playing with lag, DIYCE made it a lot easier to deal with the ping-delays.

Quoted from "mrmisterwaa;579841"

Kefkai,

You are just mad that DIYCE simplifies the process of combat. It isn't botting because you always have to push the button to do anything.

No matter what happens DIYCE is there to follow a certain logic to use it's spells. When playing with lag, DIYCE made it a lot easier to deal with the ping-delays.

Did you read MY post? I wasn't the one who called it botting, someone asked if what I would create would be considered botting. You can trigger macros through other addons which is how you could make it so you wouldn't have to press any buttons at all. I'm pretty sure that absolutely no one does it that way but you could make yourself into just the movement controller.

As is though you could just spam the button yourself but it's really not much different.

Also whoever said I was mad? Someone said it wasn't accomplish-able via Diyce which I disagree with.

I'm going to put in my two cents here...real rogues don't diyce. Period. Which skills we use are very dependent on the situation we find ourselves in, as in are we in hide, or not...behind the target or not, etc. To properly play a rogue takes skill. We cannot just jump around spamming a button. I am well aware that other class combos can use a diyce easily, and if that's what you choose to do, that is completely up to you. At the end of siege I look at my kill count, and can be proud as I, and not a computer program of any sort, got that kill count. With my own skill.

Quoted from "LadyDeath68;579981"

I'm going to put in my two cents here...real rogues don't diyce. Period. Which skills we use are very dependent on the situation we find ourselves in, as in are we in hide, or not...behind the target or not, etc. To properly play a rogue takes skill. We cannot just jump around spamming a button. I am well aware that other class combos can use a diyce easily, and if that's what you choose to do, that is completely up to you. At the end of siege I look at my kill count, and can be proud as I, and not a computer program of any sort, got that kill count. With my own skill.

^ reason i never used diyce...even though my rotation for pve(and pvp sometimes against a healer/tank) can go through 8-10+ DIFFERENT skills...

I use diyce when i dps in siege cuz im noob but i still ownz.

I think it's hilarious that there's actually lots of diyce'n P/S because the class is soooo hard to play

aside from auto target the auto response to certain debuffs is beyond just an 'aid'. having immunes or escapes automatically go off is just ridiculous.

I don't care if anyone uses it for pve but anyone that uses that stuff in siege, play the game properly and stop exploiting the add-on system for 'kills'.

Dirty

Everyone knows Diyce is botting. If you dont by now, now you do.

The reason I dont like diyce is how it causes players to run off in weird directions. That makes stupid pulls and wipes other players. And no, it is not always because their diyce is written incorrectly, although that doesnt help either.

As for the auto-target player macro, anyone on here that admits to using it and is seen in siege, guess what? You are achieving multiple actions with one keystroke: effectively tab targeting through as many targets until it is a player=bottting.

I also guarentee that just about every diyce out there now already has this function incorperated. Guess what? That's right: You are using a third party program to achieve an effect not available in normal game play. Now where have I seen something like that before...

Realistically, anyone that has posted under the diyce thread on the forums is doing gameplay in violation of the tos, elua, and user agreement.


Buttttttttt, I do understand that there are lots of players out there that lack the skills, or are just too lazy, and still want to play in groups with others. Surprisingly I dont use diyce, as I do fall into that catagory of being too lazy, which my laziness is probably why I never pushed those issues.

Such sweeping generalizations make for such fail arguments.

Multiple actions with 1 keystroke...my mad ruch+spellweaver macro must be botting!

"Everyone knows" that, riiiiiight


lul.

Auto target players is and can be incorporated into a macro.

Just because you're against something, does not make you legal authority over the rules for/against it. Sorry, but your argument is fail, and your definition of botting along with it.

Quoted from "Ravesden;580096"

Such sweeping generalizations make for such fail arguments.

Multiple actions with 1 keystroke...my mad ruch+spellweaver macro must be botting!

"Everyone knows" that, riiiiiight


lul.

Auto target players is and can be incorporated into a macro.

Just because you're against something, does not make you legal authority over the rules for/against it. Sorry, but your argument is fail, and your definition of botting along with it.

U must b n00b.

mad rush+spellweaver+godspeed

Add godspeed at the end in case your lame housekeeper(s) don't give them reliably. Mine don't, dammit.

Quoted from "Malignatus;580102"

U must b n00b.

mad rush+spellweaver+godspeed

Add godspeed at the end in case your lame housekeeper(s) don't give them reliably. Mine don't, dammit.

Godspeed doesn't stack with Thunderforce :\ I have it on my hotbar...sometimes...somewhere.

I already get called hax for speed stacking madrush/spellweaver/thunderforce/herald. A little bit more is overkill

Quoted from "Ravesden;580109"

Godspeed doesn't stack with Thunderforce :\ I have it on my hotbar...sometimes...somewhere.

I already get called hax for speed stacking madrush/spellweaver/thunderforce/herald. A little bit more is overkill

Thunderforce isn't always available. I usually get killed shortly after getting it, so... And when my incompetent housekeepers hand them out, Godspeed is free.

I was disappointed that I wasn't called for speed hacking in a recent siege, when I ran down a rogue using the mad rush/spellweaver/godspeed ploy. (He got popped out of Hide by a 'lectric tower.) Ice Bladed him to oblivion as he tried to head across one of our bridges. Probably never saw me zooming up from behind, and I didn't come close enough to pass his corpse.

[COLOR=white !important]As for the auto-target player macro, anyone on here that admits to using it and is seen in siege, guess what? You are achieving multiple actions with one keystroke: effectively tab targeting through as many targets until it is a player=bottting[/COLOR]



ummm wrong im sorry to say but just because i can target only players in siege DOES NOT mean i am botting.try it in pve setting and see how far you get.i still have to use skills and manually push a button to target a player.i am still controlling my toons actions.so by definition this is not botting.
ask anyone that knows me i am against botting.when i come across one i ks everything from it.and i can do this every time.once or twice i have thought it was a bot but after discovering it wasnt i gave all items to the player.
now by your definition my macro for casting all priest buffs in series is botting...............(this macro has saved me and others in siege and in instances).

[h=3]Botting[/h] Main article: computer game bot
Some players of online games use automated programs known as bots to grind or leech for them in order to progress with minimal effort. This practice often violates the terms of service. Bots are also commonly used in commercial operations in order to powerlevel a character, either to increase the sale value of the account, or to allow the character to be used for commercial gold farming.
this is from wikipedia.

Here we go again.
Troll starts a thread and all the crazies come out.

Do not feed the troll, please.

You are not going to convince trolls that Ice Blade does not need nerfs, that stating wd/s with dex is silly, and that you don't need DIYCE to target people and rotate camera.

It is mildly amusing to see people who never pushed end game content complain that their 1 hour sideshow minigame "siege" partners have no skill.

RoM is a pay-to-win game with very fast PvP action. If you are getting owned in PvP, it does not mean that some skill or macro is unfair or imbalanced. It simply means that either your opponent payed more to win in the game, or that you don't have enough skill, or both.

Deal with it.

Quoted from "tyrr;580117"

RoM is a pay-to-win game with very fast PvP action. If you are getting owned in PvP, it does not mean that some skill or macro is unfair or imbalanced. It simply means that either your opponent payed more to win in the game, or that you don't have enough skill, or both.

Deal with it.

We're pretending RoM takes skill now?

Also there are a few things that are imbalanced, pvp in itself can be fairly unbalanced. Skills aren't changed to reflect pvp in this game if anything RoM has the most Flavor of the Month changes of pretty much any game I've ever played.

One class takes the lead above others, Ninja buffs to another puts it way over the top of that class, nerfs huge buffs etc etc etc.

There are some classes that have ridiculous synergy right now with their skills in pvp and some that are moderate, I can tell you right now that I'm able to do higher dps on R/Wd than R/S who have better gear than me and I haven't changed gear except for dagger since the 70 cap.

You can't pretend that some classes aren't better than others, especially in RoM.

Quoted from "Kefkai;579621"

Aw I wanted to be vague so that this didn't become a Diyce QQ thread.

Damn, he's good.

Quoted from "Ravesden;580128"

Damn, he's good.

Yup and he still complains about it.

For people who do not understand what DIYCE is, please do not comment about it.

It is not a bot.

For every single action DIYCE makes. You have to press the DIYCE button.

Everything DIYCE does, can be achieved using your regular macro keys. (less-efficient)

Quoted from "mrmisterwaa;580141"

Yup and he still complains about it.

For people who do not understand what DIYCE is, please do not comment about it.

It is not a bot.

For every single action DIYCE makes. You have to press the DIYCE button.

Everything DIYCE does, can be achieved using your regular macro keys. (less-efficient)

Some macros require more lines than are available in the macro interface.

And I only complained about how it's less skillful than actually playing, and as I said if you wanted to you could make yourself into a bot if you wanted to with another addon to assist in calling Diyce.

Back in Ragnarok Online I used to write bot scripts because in a way it's sort of interesting but never really used them; which is why I think Diyce is sorta interesting but I'd never use it myself. I have an interesting history, I wrote bot scripts and programmed server software to prevent usage of bots etc.

Hell writing a macro to complete a sequence of things is technically botting at it's most primitive level you just have to have something to sequence the events.

Quoted from "Ravesden;580096"

Such sweeping generalizations make for such fail arguments.

Multiple actions with 1 keystroke...my mad ruch+spellweaver macro must be botting!

"Everyone knows" that, riiiiiight


lul.

Auto target players is and can be incorporated into a macro.

Just because you're against something, does not make you legal authority over the rules for/against it. Sorry, but your argument is fail, and your definition of botting along with it.

just because your for something does not make you right about it either

his defination was rather close and just because RoM doesn't care doesn't mean certain things are against their own EULA. pac and pae have been declared safe(unless vendor enabled) even though it's exaclty what the EULA says is wrong and bannable. It's pretty stupid to have a company not even listen to their own rules but with ALL my recent warden bugging wb's post's being removed and swept under the rug I have lost all respect for them.

Beyond legalities I believe this is more of a moral issue which of course some people don't have and all of us honorable people can do is point and laugh.

Quoted from "Kefkai;580127"

We're pretending RoM takes skill now?

Pushing end game instances requires skill, money and time. Competing at the highest level (10k+) in siege requires skill, money and time. Buying gear, farming stats, glitching world bosses requires just time and money.

Quoted from "Kefkai;580127"

Also there are a few things that are imbalanced, pvp in itself can be fairly unbalanced. Skills aren't changed to reflect pvp in this game if anything RoM has the most Flavor of the Month changes of pretty much any game I've ever played.

One class takes the lead above others, Ninja buffs to another puts it way over the top of that class, nerfs huge buffs etc etc etc.

There are some classes that have ridiculous synergy right now with their skills in pvp and some that are moderate, I can tell you right now that I'm able to do higher dps on R/Wd than R/S who have better gear than me and I haven't changed gear except for dagger since the 70 cap.

You can't pretend that some classes aren't better than others, especially in RoM.

Daily reset tickets are at the items shop. With enough money you can get any class combo at the level cap in a matter of days. If you seriously believe that some class combos are better than others, then just create that combo.

Btw, your particular example of R/Wd vs R/S does not make any sense as R/S is a lot more powerful in PvP that R/Wd. Sub, paralysis, throat attack, vamp arrows, deadly shot - enough said.