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Monday, March 11th 2013, 12:27pm

Running really fast - without slowing down...

More and more we see people in SW and sometimes even whole guilds run really fast, without any CDs. At first we were thinking it was lag issues, it was just one or two players in SW. But in recent SW I even saw a player making speed hax (and reported it) as I was sieging around their castle. Once in game I ask them why they use exploit and speed hax, I got response - we use food to best ability?! (had no idea there was food that allows that fast running, close to being on the mount all the time)

Question is following - as this gives exploiters clear advantage (for example R/S running between 5 of us and killing us all before we could even react and be already back behind their defense - not being affected by any traps, electrical towers or anything else because of speed hax) should rest of us do it as well.

No, we are not planning to do it, but just asking because clearly it is known hax, but nothing is done from GF to prevent it.

I don't see anything done even to exploiters either...

Frustrating, almost like sneaky rogues who jump over wall back in castle or warden with pet inside our castle...

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Monday, March 11th 2013, 4:22pm

I have said this many times in the last 3 years, put ghost GM's or CM's in guilds that face those accused or presumed of doing it. See for themselves and ban them for 90 days and get it over with. They have complaints of players sending screenshots, fraps and nothing is being done. They would have sufficient proof when you see someone with no buffs whatsoever and run at super speed all the time. Die on our home side and 3 seconds later see them coming back to front gate loll.

But they don't have the time or will not do it, would stop a lot of QQ'ing about this issue. Also i love being killed by a level 50 toons with green and white gear in siege, it's awesome.

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Monday, March 11th 2013, 6:54pm

This really got me into planing to install video capture software... another reason is to have proof once processing gets destroyed before gates are down...

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Monday, March 11th 2013, 7:14pm

I don't do it very often, but Escape Artist + Mad Rush+3 + Spellweaver + Godspeed (HK pot) + Thunder Force + 10% Herald speed buff allows me to zip right along and outrun just about anyone or anything in siege. (Yes, they *do* stack, macro to call everything but Thunder Force FTW, baby!) I've caught up to and killed toons on Rune Disks who also have the 30% mount potion + Galloping Gale equipped. Pisses them off and causes them to call hax on me.

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Monday, March 11th 2013, 7:17pm

Quoted from "zidlef;592373"

Also i love being killed by a level 50 toons with green and white gear in siege, it's awesome.


If you got killed by anything other than a bursting beetle, could you post a screenshot/video?

Lvl 50 will hardly be able to even hit a lvl 77 just because of the level difference.

I don't know why you guys can't deal with the guilds that cheat. When I see people speedhacking I find it mildly amusing. Same with castle jumping. I have yet to see a guild who cheated so hard core that it gave them enough advantage to win. Yet, I see al the same people on forums QQ relentlessly about how broken things are.

The only thing that's broken in siege is balance. Fewer than 5 guilds in siege are worth their salt. All other guilds are a steamroll.

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Monday, March 11th 2013, 7:21pm

Malignatus,

I am well aware and I use those pots/buffs the same as you do. It allows me to run fast, but once buff is over, I slow down to normal.

What we had in siege and what we see more and more is people running that fast without buffs. The way to do it is fairly simple and would someone with all those buffs and script to run all the time at that speed, without worry for time out. Of course, we are not allowed to spread knowledge about exploit, but at this moment it is more common knowledge, if you ask me.

What I wonder is - why has not been prevented/fixed yet. Should everyone be allowed to do it once opposing guild has done it - because at the moment those using this exploit have huge advantage in SW.

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Monday, March 11th 2013, 7:32pm

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Malignatus,

I am well aware and I use those pots/buffs the same as you do. It allows me to run fast, but once buff is over, I slow down to normal.

What we had in siege and what we see more and more is people running that fast without buffs. The way to do it is fairly simple and would someone with all those buffs and script to run all the time at that speed, without worry for time out. Of course, we are not allowed to spread knowledge about exploit, but at this moment it is more common knowledge, if you ask me.

What I wonder is - why has not been prevented/fixed yet. Should everyone be allowed to do it once opposing guild has done it - because at the moment those using this exploit have huge advantage in SW.


Are you aware that when a guild has a building called a "Stable" that entire guild gets a passive speed boost depending on the level of that stable?

Thus if your stables are lvl 4, and your opponants stables are lvl 7, they're going to be moving passively 15% faster than you at all times. Any speed boost they may have (20% herald speed boost, housemaid speed pot, thunder force, farm buff, etc, etc, etc till my eyes bleed) layer on top of that passive movement speed increase.

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Monday, March 11th 2013, 7:33pm

There are a lot of things that are technically possible, maybe, but I don't see that they occur that way. Speed is one thing. Yes, one can hit high speed with preparation and macros. Doing it at spur of the moment in middle of combat? Over and over? For a long time? Not that likely.

There are many things that are possible to do. A scout can see me in hide, pass "target my target" to a nearby warden and that warden can have Chiron hit me. Having it done several times, with no scout I have seen (not that I really have time to survey everyone nearby and check their classes and levels), and I start suspecting some kind of shenanigans. Same for speed. Possible does not mean it is done that way. Yes you can be really fast, but not all the time and in circumstances we see, realistically speaking. Same for immunity. Someone can be immune in legit ways, but I see it too often, for no reason, and I smell a rat.

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Monday, March 11th 2013, 7:36pm

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What I wonder is - why has not been prevented/fixed yet. Should everyone be allowed to do it once opposing guild has done it - because at the moment those using this exploit have huge advantage in SW.


What huge advantage? Speeding people die just like the rest.

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Monday, March 11th 2013, 7:48pm

Speeding people are not affected by traps, its possible to come, shoot, move back with small lag that is sure death as well being able (almost like on mount) to outrun spells/shoots and be able to come behind at very fast rate... (should I continue??)

If is not being advantage, let's remove CD from pots and make them all 15 min pot that will not disappear on death.

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Monday, March 11th 2013, 7:52pm

Quoted from "RoMage;592412"

Speeding people are not affected by traps, its possible to come, shoot, move back with small lag that is sure death as well being able (almost like on mount) to outrun spells/shoots and be able to come behind at very fast rate... (should I continue??)

If is not being advantage, let's remove CD from pots and make them all 15 min pot that will not disappear on death.


Your problem is that you are getting 1 shot by the speeding people.
Stack more stam.

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Monday, March 11th 2013, 7:53pm

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Are you aware that when a guild has a building called a "Stable" that entire guild gets a passive speed boost depending on the level of that stable?

Thus if your stables are lvl 4, and your opponants stables are lvl 7, they're going to be moving passively 15% faster than you at all times. Any speed boost they may have (20% herald speed boost, housemaid speed pot, thunder force, farm buff, etc, etc, etc till my eyes bleed) layer on top of that passive movement speed increase.

Consider this lesson free of charge.


Sure, we have L5 stable, I have 6 HK just for pots (someone called me pot-aholic :D) and I made speed pots as well and use them, and all they give me buff and once timed out, I am back to normal speed.

It seems to me that you miss part of me telling in begining that I saw someone doing hax...

I love to learn, please share with me if you can buff enough to run from your castle to enemy castle, take guards on the way and run back with the same speed.

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Monday, March 11th 2013, 7:56pm

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Your problem is that you are getting 1 shot by the speeding people.
Stack more stam.


No, I don't have a problem with being 1 shot. It's something you get used by being mage. I have a problem with folks exploiting game and ruining it imho.

Just as I said, it is global knowledge how its being done, it is possible to do it, and IT IS DONE. (in my opinion more and more)

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Monday, March 11th 2013, 8:03pm

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No, I don't have a problem with being 1 shot. It's something you get used by being mage. I have a problem with folks exploiting game and ruining it imho.

Just as I said, it is global knowledge how its being done, it is possible to do it, and IT IS DONE. (in my opinion more and more)


I am sorry people are making it harder than it already is on you. Life of a mage in siege is very sad. Even if you are a 200k+ HP M/Wd.

I have no issues killing speeder on S/Wd because I will not be one-shot, lvl60 elite will most likely bind them, and charged-chop one-shots the speeder.

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Monday, March 11th 2013, 8:43pm

See, i don't have a problem with single speeder, as lighting will root him enough to kill him. But when you have more then one, then you have a problem, and as I said, I am seeing it more and more. Sometimes would just lay down to see what opponent are doing, and this is how you can easily list buffs (DIYCE2 function) on toons and see if they should be moving that fast all the time or not.

Another problem is for rogues with speed hax, means that they don't have 20% speed decreased, meaning they can run fairly fast while in hide, many times bypassing eyes. (now that is a problem)

And no, I am not calling for any nerfs or anything of that sort - I think classes are versatile enough (even giving option to P/S to stay on tower and shoot everything around it). All I like is RW to put a stop to known issues in SW or GF to start banning players who use exploit, as that will cut numbers of exploiters.

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Monday, March 11th 2013, 8:51pm

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Malignatus,

I am well aware and I use those pots/buffs the same as you do. It allows me to run fast, but once buff is over, I slow down to normal.

What we had in siege and what we see more and more is people running that fast without buffs. The way to do it is fairly simple and would someone with all those buffs and script to run all the time at that speed, without worry for time out. Of course, we are not allowed to spread knowledge about exploit, but at this moment it is more common knowledge, if you ask me.

What I wonder is - why has not been prevented/fixed yet. Should everyone be allowed to do it once opposing guild has done it - because at the moment those using this exploit have huge advantage in SW.


Well, I guess I haven't been facing the same guilds *you've* been facing, with players using a certain well-known-but-not-to-be-named 3rd-party program. In fact, I cannot recall facing such guilds or players within the past year or so. But then, I'm old, I've slept a few times, and I haven't yet found a *legal* way to be everywhere at once. :D

What I will say--and I think I mentioned it in a completely different thread--is that the first few times I used the skill and pots macro setup, several of my guildies gawped like proverbial fishies at just how fast they observed me moving. It's not that they were stupid (or stupefied; well, maybe just a little bit), it's just that they were ignorant of the skill and pot combinations. I zoomed from the left middle area to right middle, to assist in its defense--a relatively short distance, and there was time to spare on the skill/pot combos. It took all of 10 seconds to explain it over RaidCall, and I provided the macro I used at the time in RC's chat text area after siege.

I do know that yes, once the skill and pots wear off, I slow down to almost normal--TF is still usually in effect, presuming it was in effect at the time, and if not, I put on an Unbridled pot to help speed me up again.

Personally speaking, I believe the number of *true* cheaters in siege are far and few between. I also believe that players who see or experience things they don't competently understand are more likely to call "hax" than not. Two of my Rogue guildies were called hackers by our opponents in our siege last night, 03/10. They're not hackers, they're just well-equipped and very good at what they do. I don't need to name the guild, but they were from Palenque. They know who they are. We'd never faced them before. In the spirit of the "Good Siege" thread, they were pretty decent, had some well-geared and skilled players, and did show some good tactics at times. They played clean, and I look forward to facing them again some time.

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Monday, March 11th 2013, 9:03pm

I am well aware of buffs and as I said, I used them the same as you do and once they wear off, I am back to normal speed. This is not something like - hey - how he did this... and you don't see it again for a while. This was instance where opponent would move fast between us, killing us all, and move back. Not sure in seconds how long it takes me to get from castle to other side of B bridge, and the same person is still moving at that speed. Rez again, go now directly toward that person, not even trying to kill him, and once killed asked him why he used speed hax and got previously mentioned post about using food to best of its ability. DIYCE list of buffs does not show any of speed buff I know off and person is just jumping around.

To do this in SW there is no requirement of any external programs, and as I said, I saw the setup and was even able to kill person doing it as he was focused more on pots/buffs (even he out geared me greatly - took me 3-4 hits to get him down)

We do sometimes get shouts 'hax', but none in our guild hax. We just try our best at organizing sw and try to make plan and stick to it. (even if that plan like last night ask for me to run toward mid b all the time and if possible clear traps, while bothering them :D) I am always willing to share what I know about siege and big part what I learned I did by watching other folks doing it, like cloacked. Yep, imagine him being able to jump from A side to bridge area, heal and go back without slowing down for second. :D (that is how bad speed hax is in my opinion)

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Monday, March 11th 2013, 9:12pm

Everyone likes to call speedhacks.. But the reality is ifntheyre actually using speedhacks to zoom ridiculously fast theyre not going to be able to keep tha up. Speedhacks WILL rubberband you and even STD you. I believe people are just liable to calling hacks without knowing anything.
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Monday, March 11th 2013, 10:06pm

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I am sorry people are making it harder than it already is on you. Life of a mage in siege is very sad. Even if you are a 200k+ HP M/Wd.

I have no issues killing speeder on S/Wd because I will not be one-shot, lvl60 elite will most likely bind them, and charged-chop one-shots the speeder.


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Monday, March 11th 2013, 10:22pm

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