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Friday, March 15th 2013, 11:57am

charge is 150, but...... you can get hit before/ even during charge. Its worthless in pvp unless the person your charging doesn't even have you targeted.

When facing another warrior all i do is sit there and spam a skill and let them charge me, 90% chance i kill them in the middle of the charge since it puts there character position in front of us when the charge begins even though there still charging at us.

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Friday, March 15th 2013, 12:11pm

It's been more then once that I cast root skill on warrior (both of them) without making much difference... they still knock me down and don't even slow down. I know there are skills to remove root, but is it possible to cast that while charging? And if so, how they can remove one root after another? (lighting and discharge)

And true, if kiting it with cursed fangs/fireball combination I am able to kill W before in range.

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pwnsnoobs

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Friday, March 15th 2013, 1:37pm

ugh...... depends? w/r has frenzied attack removes/prevents roots and slows for 10 seconds.

Warrior ISS from HoS, though no one uses that really, haven't used myself since like ch.4, http://www.runesdatabase.com/skill/495475/undefeatable-king

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Cike

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Friday, March 15th 2013, 8:13pm

Quoted from "Ravesden;592894"

No, no, no.

Cike, just because you play a class, does not mean it has to have a boost in any way/shape/form. I agree with BB on the warrior speed increase, but at most maybe a 15% passive.

Scouts have all the ranged instants in the world. For kiting, they have wind arrows if necessary. Yes, it doesnt do a lot of damage, but thats the idea of balance. Can't have it all.

range of WA is 225, which is about the range of mage elites...maybe it's just cuz i have played a scout for a couple years that i know how weak there weak spots are...., but in reality, the only defense scouts have is distance, and my point is even that isn't much of an advantage when just about every class can counter it....

edit: and for me wanting scout buffed cuz it's my main, that's not true at all...i play 2 toons in pvp, a scout and a m/wdn...i can tell you that the m/wdn can do everything a scout does, but it can do it better....
i started scout, and when i got my mage up and geared to pvp, i played it exactly like a scout, yet it functioned as a scout better than my scout functioned as a scout....

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

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Borella

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Friday, March 15th 2013, 8:49pm

Quoted from "Cike;592991"

range of WA is 225, which is about the range of mage elites...maybe it's just cuz i have played a scout for a couple years that i know how weak there weak spots are...., but in reality, the only defense scouts have is distance, and my point is even that isn't much of an advantage when just about every class can counter it....

edit: and for me wanting scout buffed cuz it's my main, that's not true at all...i play 2 toons in pvp, a scout and a m/wdn...i can tell you that the m/wdn can do everything a scout does, but it can do it better....
i started scout, and when i got my mage up and geared to pvp, i played it exactly like a scout, yet it functioned as a scout better than my scout functioned as a scout....

Anyone who's seen one of Bteam's S/wdn's or Heretic's S/wdn's in action knows that scouts do not need buffed for PvP. They are plenty powerful enough already. Scouts don't need anything to buff them for PvP.. only PvE.

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Cike

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Friday, March 15th 2013, 8:52pm

Quoted from "Borella;592995"

Anyone who's seen one of Bteam's S/wdn's or Heretic's S/wdn's in action knows that scouts do not need buffed for PvP. They are plenty powerful enough already. Scouts don't need anything to buff them for PvP.. only PvE.

so to be viable in pvp i need to be a s/wdn...cool, i guess i'll just go reroll to s/wdn because obviously i'm not playing the scout class right....
/end sarcasm

a class that in it's essence only works with one combo imo needs help....

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Borella

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Friday, March 15th 2013, 9:12pm

Quoted from "Cike;592997"

so to be viable in pvp i need to be a s/wdn...cool, i guess i'll just go reroll to s/wdn because obviously i'm not playing the scout class right....
/end sarcasm

a class that in it's essence only works with one combo imo needs help....

Obviously you're not playing it right if you really don't think being able to see through hide, having long range, and great kiting ability isn't enough, you have to have more.

And don't blame the class because you don't want to play the Scout class that's good for PvP. It's like that for most classes.. only one or two of them is viable in PvP. For Scout, that's S/K and S/wdn. Don't want to play those? Accept you won't be as good in PvP as they are.

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Cike

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Saturday, March 16th 2013, 1:23am

evidently scout is good were it's at so, whats the next class...hmm...rogue, they need longer range on shadowstep...too easy to kill with detection, they must be buffed....oh, wait, most people already get roflstomped by rogues....oh, gee, i guess we need to buff knights and warriors, they are all too easy to kite to death....

and i would like another example of a class that only works in pvp with 1 combo...and if there is one, i believe they should be balanced also....

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Saturday, March 16th 2013, 1:47am

Pretty sure Borella wasn't talking about buffing every other class except scouts, so you're exaggerating a bit there. Point was, scouts don't need even more ways to keep people back. Learn to kite, you're a ranged class, after all.

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Cike

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Saturday, March 16th 2013, 1:52am

mad rush+godspeed+spellweaver anybody? getting from place to place isn't the only reason to pop speed buffs...pop speedies and a candy, and range will be completely negated...i can tell you by facing scouts in pvp on multiple toons, range is not that hard of a problem to fix for most classes...

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Saturday, March 16th 2013, 6:47pm

Quoted from "Borella;592995"

Anyone who's seen one of Bteam's S/wdn's or Heretic's S/wdn's in action knows that scouts do not need buffed for PvP. They are plenty powerful enough already. Scouts don't need anything to buff them for PvP.. only PvE.

I think thats just S/Wd, not all scouts. The other scouts are stillpretty useless in PvP.

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Saturday, March 16th 2013, 8:44pm

i highly recommend streaming everything..no local storage and not near the impact on performance for ur machine. plus i can watch other ppl's streams and find out stuffs that i dont understand

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Borella

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Saturday, March 16th 2013, 9:57pm

Quoted from "ruisen2000;593112"

I think thats just S/Wd, not all scouts. The other scouts are stillpretty useless in PvP.

That's the same for most classes.. only M/wd and M/D are really that amazing in PvP, though M/P has it's moments. P/K is really the only amazing Priest for siege with EA and Life Link.

Scout has S/K and S/wdn as their token two good PvP classes. It's just the way the game works.. a couple class combos per class are good in PvP.

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Saturday, March 16th 2013, 10:01pm

Quoted from "Borella;593120"

P/K is really the only amazing Priest for siege with EA and Life Link.

p/s? or is that not OP anymore?

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Borella

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Saturday, March 16th 2013, 10:03pm

Quoted from "Cike;593121"

p/s? or is that not OP anymore?

P/S for damage.. P/K is the only really good priest for healing in siege war.

Although really P/S isn't that OP anymore. S/wdn, Wardens in general, Rogues all eat them for dinner.

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Cike

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Saturday, March 16th 2013, 10:07pm

Quoted from "Borella;593122"

P/S for damage.. P/K is the only really good priest for healing in siege war.

Although really P/S isn't that OP anymore. S/wdn, Wardens in general, Rogues all eat them for dinner.

but p/s is still a viable priest combo for pvp, no? and what about p/m? they have some pretty good skills also...

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Borella

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Saturday, March 16th 2013, 10:14pm

Quoted from "Cike;593123"

but p/s is still a viable priest combo for pvp, no? and what about p/m? they have some pretty good skills also...

If we're talking viability every scout Combo is viable because they have range and detection. If we're talking "Really really good at PvP" then we have one or two class combo's per class.

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