Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "Bakken;596785"

This, there are just simply too many little things to argue over. Without official word from GMs on things it's pretty much anything goes =/
You just gotta adapt to all the cheap tactics and new exploits and find ways around them even if it includes another exploit lol

eg. A guild keeps running away with the gate rebuild I think it's fair to break it after warning

The only problem with that Bakken is that it escalates and escalates.

And just because you think they ran away with the spawn point, doesn't mean beyond a shadow of a doubt that they did. Rogues are annoyingly able to sometimes evade the best efforts of people to watch the gate spawn. I know I've missed them at times.

And lets say, just once, you did miss a rogue, and then you killed their spawn point. Then they up the ante and kill your procs through the walls. And then you kill their throne through the wall. And then they jump over the wall. Etc, etc, etc.

Paying "hacks" back with hacks just leads to a bad place. That's my two cents, for the little it's worth. Retaliating just leads to dirty sieges and bad feeling on all sides. It's almost better to lose with honor than win with even fair foul play. Simply because it's a lot easier to call hacks than it is to prove hacks, to be completely sure.

But what did happen when I told a specific guild that I would do that they did stop it and then no action happened on either side(a little more to it but the general idea). Instead of escalating it stopped the initial problem. Isn't that better then letting people keep exploiting? Obviously not everyone will be able to work out problems but we should still try.

It goes with the OP and more or less making community rules and agreements at least between a few select guilds even.

Quoted from "Bakken;596818"

But what did happen when I told a specific guild that I would do that they did stop it and then no action happened on either side(a little more to it but the general idea). Instead of escalating it stopped the initial problem. Isn't that better then letting people keep exploiting? Obviously not everyone will be able to work out problems but we should still try.

It goes with the OP and more or less making community rules and agreements at least between a few select guilds even.

Actually I think that is worse. Saying that you will, on purpose, use an exploit, hack or whatever because you think something wasn't right. That essentially means you are saying that you know what you are about to do is wrong and goes against any morals you have, but that you are just going to go ahead and do it anyway.

This is especially true if you are referring to destroying a rebuild point, because that can't be undone, the gate can never go back up no matter what and that would permanently change/ruin the siege.

That's analogous to someone saying "you gave me an injury (which can be recovered from), so as payback I will kill you (which can't be recovered from)

Quoted from "Quaffy2;596829"

That's analogous to someone saying "you gave me an injury (which can be recovered from), so as payback I will kill you (which can't be recovered from)

well I don't know about you but that sounds like a pretty good deterrent to not do the injury then lol
As long as it's accepted that the injury in the first place is wrong

I don't mean at all to just do that off the bat but to talk and confirm between leaders or just publicly on a forum like this that it's either ok or not for certain tactics and whats ok responses to specifics like that.
I can't think of another example but with the gates what else could you do if that keeps happening? Just sit there and take it, not do or say anything? If anyone has any better suggestions I am really all ears.

I love the idea of this thread to make community choices on these matters.

Well mainly, if I were to rank things from bad to worst, I'd put irreversible actions at the top: killing procs/throne through walls, destroying gate rebuld points, etc. I mean, there's stooping to their level, then there's committing an even more egregious offense (in my opinion at least).

Like when someone jumps over my castle wall, I certainly don't jump into theirs and destroy thing, and I make sure no one else in our guild does that as payback either. With that mindset the other guild will see you as dirty too and probably crank it up a notch next time or say that you deserved it because they knew you would exploit too. Basically it could turn into both sides "pre-emptively" exploiting because the other guild has done it or said previously that they would.

Now if most people in the guild weren't aware of a single person doing sketchy stuff, then I can see where you're coming from (it's happened and guild leaders usually make the proper "adjustments"), but I still wouldn't want to retaliate exploit, because the rest of that guild might see you as dirty too for even considering it.

None of this would be a problem if we had half-decent support and a company that gave a rats azz about the game.

None of these exploits/bugs/glitches are new. All have been around for quite a long time, if not since the start of siege itself. It forces the players to either 1) not take any action, or 2) take matters into their own hands to ensure they're not being taken advantage of just because of "rep".

No, we wont be jumping or scaling walls or killing your buildings with all the gates up or anything. But if you exploit on us - we will retaliate, and people will learn not to do so against us. I have my recording program hotkeyed and ready every siege, as well as other tricks to make your hour very, very miserable.

Also know quite a few people from various differing servers. I remember when a certain someone on my own server server thought it was a great idea to walk through our walls and down a proc with fearless. Had some of their members pm me over the course of a couple days/weeks complaining that I ruined their guilds' rep. Great payback. Think I gained like 10-15 subscribers on youtube from that video alone