Runes of Magic US / AU

Why would this be cheating or abusing game mechanics? It's a freaking catapult, lol. That's what catapults do? Very different from a player jumping into your castle I'd say, but
that's just my opinion. Let's see what the majority in the community
have to say about it.

Anyway, the reason I wouldn't call this cheating or abusing is because the only way this is possible is if, like you said, the guild is already winning by a big margin and is able to keep a catapult "alive" for long periods of time on the enemy side of the battlefield. Good way to fight gate scummers, should've thought of it last night.


Edit: First I thought it was going over from your explanation. I'm at work so I didn't watch the video first before commenting, my bad. Now that I watched it I can't tell if the fireballs are going through the wall or through the hole(s) next to the gate. That would be the deciding factor... care to clarify for us?

seems to me like the enemy had set their view distance to low so that the castle walls wouldn't load and then used the catapult to fire at the buildings. You can actually full buff speed and get in the enemy castle in a similiar way, imo it's same as using tornado to damage buildings through a wall, and shouldn't be allowed.

Doubt it would be technically cheating, but it's clearly exploiting a bug. I can't imagine ROM intended for catapults to be able to shoot through gates or walls. lol But that's siege, you can't expect others to play fair or by the book.

*Takes off Teamler hat*
Is this the point of a catapult? To fire over obstacles?

*Puts Teamler hat back on*
I do not have an official comment only to say that we'll check into the legality of using a catapult to fire over the walls (or possibly through them) and let you know as soon as possible. Just like anything that is suspected to be an exploit - if you think it might be an exploit, don't do it.

im gonna add my two cents here: I heard that sending a chiron thro the walls to attk buildings was bad tactic, since buildings could not attk and could not aggro the chiron, sending the chiron to attk the building thro the walls was bad (the walls are there for a reason) i would think that....

this would apply to catupults hitting thro walls too (I did actually see a guild once where they used the catuplts thro the walkways, which was good shooting, but when we asked them to stop they did)

I have faith in aqua bringing us a firm reply on this!

Shooting through solid walls: cheating, obviously.

Shooting through holes and over wall should, in my opinion, be ok. Again this is something that's not difficult to stop if you're not already losing by a very wide margin. Even then it only requires 1 or 2 people that can burn properly and a well timed fearless and that catapult would be destroyed.

Even at the lowest settings walls should be visible at that distance, i'll check that tonight.

if that is true, than the only way that person is shoot through (not over since that isn't possible, I have tried) wall, is to utilize a glitch in camera viewing at a certain angle which makes the wall disappear or modifying the game client which has already been declared a bannable offense.

however, if you have the gates with holes in it, than I believe that you should be allowed to shoot through the holes similar to how mages can utilize them to T-storm through them. ofc it's bad form to utilize them to destroy buildings but so is to use chiron/other pets to do the same.

There is a HUGE difference between using thunderstorm and warden pets. So don't even compare them...

Quoted from "bilalab"

Even at the lowest settings walls should be visible at that distance, i'll check that tonight.

it's only the first time you load the castle, and dissapears when you get close to walls themself. Although on my old laptop it used to be completely invisible until you actually entered enemy castle, without changing any game models.

From the video it's hard to see where the fireball is coming into the castle, which would make all the difference. Next time that happens hop down to the ground to show that it's coming through the wall then you have a clear claim that someone is exploiting.

Well, rules seem to depend on servers, but you can't ask at the beggining of each sw "Hey opponents, can we do this ? is it allowed on your server ?". So we have to adapt to each and I'm not gonna put a handicap on my side.

Using catapult to destroy buildings is possible without using programs or anything else, you just move your cursor until you see "Stable" and it's done, you approximately target it and another player can try to focus the building to see if it works... But yeah, that's unfair because it goes through the walls. I never tried and will not try.

Tornado's through walls to destroy buildings, is it allowed ? We don't even know. I'm not a fan of this, but If it was a cheat, can I say that casting a tornado from the side so it goes through the walls and do 80% damages on the gate is cheating ? Because it's an unfair way to destroy the door and win (which is the definition of cheating)... + You need 3 tornados to put down a building just saying.

One last question, is having this



Instead of this



Can be considered as cheating ? It's about modifying a model and probably not because of lags..


It's been a while that sw exists but we still don't know what is allowed and what is not (not talking about programs for cheating, we know it's forbidden). Since we all have a different definition of "playing fair", we can't be at the same level, and as I said, I'm not gonna put a handicap on my side. (But I play fair )

Quoted from "Toast"

Can be considered as cheating ? It's about modifying a model and probably not because of lags..


It's been a while that sw exists but we still don't know what is allowed and what is not (not talking about programs for cheating, we know it's forbidden). Since we all have a different definition of "playing fair", we can't be at the same level, and as I said, I'm not gonna put a handicap on my side. (But I play fair )

From my understanding... no such editing of model is allowed. It is considered modifying the client and is illegal

Damn! I didn't even pay attention to that. This guy is calling someone else over something that's only possible if you're winning by a landslide, but he himself modified his game models to gain an unfair advantage in Siege War.

To be honest tho, this should be a thing. Have Runewaker change the buggy towers to this and it'd be amazing. Until then, this is clearly cheating and merits a ban >.>

Pot calling the kettle black! This is hilarious!!!



EDIT: This is a much better video of Catapults going through walls. Skip to 1:00.

So the GFX doesn't show the flame bomb going over a well, maybe the dev can change that, but as for passing an outer wall then going inside the castle building that just unintenional programming. Its like going behind the castle and the crystal killing you through the walls. Or if you are inside the castle and the crystal kills you through the walls while you are trying to dps a building. Also no different to mobs shooting through walls in instances. Personaly I'd say learn from it and use it yourself, if you can't win at least get a catapult yourself and put it to good use.

Sadly this is modifying the client so they should be permabanned. If you know it is an exploit, permaban and try to explain why you should get your account back. No matter over the years so many have gotten away with cheating, hacking, exploiting, duping that i hope they put their foot down on their necks and say : You should not have done that BYE BYE.

It is not a win if you cheat!!! oh look i won i had god mode on, i am so good!! no you are not, just a moron that has too cheat to win and play the game. This should appeal to all players who geared, statted, plussed their gear and PvP gear for the game. The money or gold you have spent, the time you took to do it, report and get those players ban, we don't need them anyways.

Play clean, play fair or get the hell out

Quoted from "Magío"

Damn! I didn't even pay attention to that. This guy is calling someone else over something that's only possible if you're winning by a landslide, but he himself modified his game models to gain an unfair advantage in Siege War.

To be honest tho, this should be a thing. Have Runewaker change the buggy towers to this and it'd be amazing. Until then, this is clearly cheating and merits a ban >.>

Pot calling the kettle black! This is hilarious!!!



EDIT: This is a much better video of Catapults going through walls. Skip to 1:00.

Don't confuse your lag with us exploiting. We have never condoned cheating, exploits or hacks.

Try relogging before siege.

Quoted from "Magío"

Damn! I didn't even pay attention to that. This guy is calling someone else over something that's only possible if you're winning by a landslide, but he himself modified his game models to gain an unfair advantage in Siege War.

To be honest tho, this should be a thing. Have Runewaker change the buggy towers to this and it'd be amazing. Until then, this is clearly cheating and merits a ban >.>

Pot calling the kettle black! This is hilarious!!!



EDIT: This is a much better video of Catapults going through walls. Skip to 1:00.

tbh, this really doesn't prove anything, aside from a glitchy animation. without showing that the catapult is actually doing damage, there is no reason to pursue this.

As far as I know, catapults cannot fire through walls. Try using one of the turret catapults to hit a ram on your gate if you doubt me. The wall will "intercept" your targeting, and you will be hitting the wall. Personally, when I have tried firing "over" a wall I gave up shortly thereafter because it is near impossible to hit anything....maybe with a spotter, as mentioned above, but you are, in essence, firing blind. Perhaps some guilds have mastered this technique, but IMHO, not the ones pictured. Not the way they were shown doing it, the angles were all wrong. And certainly the video showing them hitting people inside the keep is just wrong.