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Monday, July 30th 2012, 12:52am

Pet AutoCrafting and Abuse

Hey everyone,

I think the pet autocraft has become a big problem in this game. There are many who abuse it and have TONS of alts doing it 24/7.

This has driven the prices of all craftable items way down and it is unfair to the honest crafters and especially unfair to the gatherers. I have two suggestions for how to fix this.


  1. Simply removing pet autocrafting, however this might be a little bit extreme.
  2. Make items gathered from pet crafting be bound - and remain bound during all refining processes (i.e. extraction/smelting/woodcrafting - however when you actually use the refined materials the output will not be bound). They should make materials gained from planting be like this as well.


I think #2 is the best option since the problem is having all these alts being able to obtain these materials without putting any work into them whatsoever. It's a longshot for this to get done, but they did the same thing with golden eggs and it would really improve the crafting part of the game.

Let me know what y'all think and if y'all have any suggestions. Thanks :)

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Monday, July 30th 2012, 1:03am

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Hey everyone,

I think the pet autocraft has become a big problem in this game. There are many who abuse it and have TONS of alts doing it 24/7.

This has driven the prices of all craftable items way down and it is unfair to the honest crafters and especially unfair to the gatherers. I have two suggestions for how to fix this.


  1. Simply removing pet autocrafting, however this might be a little bit extreme.
  2. Make items gathered from pet crafting be bound - and remain bound during all refining processes (i.e. extraction/smelting/woodcrafting - however when you actually use the refined materials the output will not be bound). They should make materials gained from planting be like this as well.


I think #2 is the best option since the problem is having all these alts being able to obtain these materials without putting any work into them whatsoever. It's a longshot for this to get done, but they did the same thing with golden eggs and it would really improve the crafting part of the game.

Let me know what y'all think and if y'all have any suggestions. Thanks :)


Are you insane? A) mats are already insanely expensive on the ah B) i buy my mats with MEMS and HONOR POINTS most of the time because its cheaper and easier. Pots are 350-500k a stack of 30. In the last week ive seen maybe ONE pet vendor botter.

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Monday, July 30th 2012, 1:14am

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Are you insane? A) mats are already insanely expensive on the ah B) i buy my mats with MEMS and HONOR POINTS most of the time because its cheaper and easier. Pots are 350-500k a stack of 30. In the last week ive seen maybe ONE pet vendor botter.


That's because they just go into miller's ranch...

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Monday, July 30th 2012, 1:59am

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That's because they just go into miller's ranch...

....Unless you are a gm and you can see them in there, there is no way for you to prove that?

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Monday, July 30th 2012, 2:21am

True. But I have spoken to players who do this and I can confirm that people have multiple alts logged in 24/7 doing the pet autocraft. So if you aint seeing them at the vendors then they gotta be in there.

Also, mats are expensive in the AH? I wonder what you consider expensive, because IMO mats are dirt cheap. Maybe the high level ones are expensive, but that's because pets cant craft that high.

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Monday, July 30th 2012, 2:23am

When you go through 30 hero pots in one night, easily, mats are expensivve.

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Monday, July 30th 2012, 2:35am

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When you go through 30 hero pots in one night, easily, mats are expensivve.

My solution! i stopped doing runs as often, so now I only go through half a stack of pots a night.

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Monday, July 30th 2012, 2:40am

And yaknow.. the 15-20 I go through in siege everynight.
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Monday, July 30th 2012, 4:10am

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And yaknow.. the 15-20 I go through in siege everynight.


Solution: Have both guilds agree to not use hero pots ;)

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Monday, July 30th 2012, 4:20am

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When you go through 30 hero pots in one night, easily, mats are expensivve.

Lol borella you are the man , 30 pots only! I freaking burn 40-70 last night in ac
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Monday, July 30th 2012, 4:45am

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Lol borella you are the man , 30 pots only! I freaking burn 40-70 last night in ac


Ya 30 is a low estimate.. depending on how much I run that night. Went through about 60 lastnight cause we did ToSh twice >.<
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Monday, July 30th 2012, 4:59am

Well the 1st boss of tosh is a bloody tough, lag and you die, screw up the torch and you die, the fight glitch an you freaking die. Zzzzzz. Ok I better stop recalling the fight.Going to give me nightmares.Anyway , it comes down to repot ! And refood every so often.
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Monday, July 30th 2012, 6:43am

Can anyone tell me that hero potion, moti's sausage, candy at 225K a stack is too much? is it? took me 2 years to be able to craft and transform my own mats. So get alts to help you out and enjoy the crafting part of the game. Don't buy mats from the AH or you won't do a dime. I have a guildie that sold 100+ hero pots today at 225K a stack and no one complained?? You are mad because it wasn't you who made that gold. As a guild we have people with different crafting skills, that help each other out and share the wealth and crafting mats. You just need a guild that is willing to help for the better of the guild, that is all. We always advertise in our recruitment, we craft almost anything craftable in game, why? because we help each other out.

Sorry if you're mad about that, i was like you 2 years ago and learned a lot about enjoying myself here ;-)

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Monday, July 30th 2012, 6:53am

225k a stack? Send them my way buddy.
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Monday, July 30th 2012, 7:26am

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Can anyone tell me that hero potion, moti's sausage, candy at 225K a stack is too much? is it? took me 2 years to be able to craft and transform my own mats. So get alts to help you out and enjoy the crafting part of the game. Don't buy mats from the AH or you won't do a dime. I have a guildie that sold 100+ hero pots today at 225K a stack and no one complained?? You are mad because it wasn't you who made that gold. As a guild we have people with different crafting skills, that help each other out and share the wealth and crafting mats. You just need a guild that is willing to help for the better of the guild, that is all. We always advertise in our recruitment, we craft almost anything craftable in game, why? because we help each other out.

Sorry if you're mad about that, i was like you 2 years ago and learned a lot about enjoying myself here ;-)

my 2 cents

If this is in response to me then you've got me all wrong. My complaint is that it's too cheap because of pet autocrafting.

People are willing to spend 10m+ on one stat but complain when hero pots are 10k each? seriously?

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Monday, July 30th 2012, 11:37am

Ah, yeah. More expensive consumables would certainly help. Well, they would help to drive the price of runs up. They would help to drive the price of gear up. They would help to drive the non-endgamers out of the game. Good thinking, OP.
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Monday, July 30th 2012, 1:26pm

they just barely went below 1 mil a stack on my server, hero pots that is. geez 225k a stack is nothing.
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Monday, July 30th 2012, 3:49pm

As per Mr. Pinkhat said, so very true and i have to agree. Gear is and will always be expensive. That i have learned, unless you have nice players to take you with them on runs and try to get you the gear you might need and stats. I have my own guild and try to get groups going with other people. I often get invited to groups since i'm a fail tank as some call me.

I'm here to have fun and enjoy the game, try to help people do the same. All my guildies have access to 4 pages of food and potions so they can have fun. Eventually all of them chip in and send blend runes etc , for helping with the crafting. We have more than 20 people crafting in our guild.

BTW if you are paying 1M a stack on your server, join us on Reni, they never went up higher than 330K in the last year ;-)

Enjoy and have fun.

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Monday, July 30th 2012, 5:01pm

I think this thread has gotten off topic. This isn't really about the prices of consumables - it's about people who "play" on 5+ accounts at once, four of which are only logged in in order to have the pet gather. It might not technically be botting, but I think we can all agree that it's not in the spirit of the game and I think something needs to be done about it - like making those materials bound on on levels of refining.

This way you can still get help from your guildies and enjoy all the benefits of that, but I just want to make sure that they get the materials fairly. Is this too much to ask for? I fail to see one downside with the change i proposed. (Which is that the only raw materials (white,green,blue,purple) that are unbound are the ones originally obtained from gathering).

What prompted me to start this thread was talking to someone in Zidlef's guild who does this. He said my point was a fair one so I don't think it's fair to ridicule me for starting this thread.

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Monday, July 30th 2012, 5:33pm

Oh, good idea on binding mats. Those of us who leveled multiple alts to do mats processing (which you have to do, since you can't gather above 60 on same toon as does crafting) would really appreciate this change.

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