Runes of Magic US / AU

1. so does levling and gearing and pets
2. pet crafting
3.what matches hero pots and touch of the unicorn?
4. so does ur gear, Adv AH get it learn it love it
5. ok go back to ch 1 and 2 and gather it by hand like everyone else did
6. ok refer back to 5
7. refer back to 1

took me 3weeks most of that time was spent afk to raise my alch to make stron stims,waters,uni corns not on the craftint event

i made back at least tripple all the gold i spent and never needed to make anything that i couldnt sell til around the lvl 40 gap where i could only make the gathering pots, which i then took after filling half my bag wit pet crafting tools and used to level my gathering while my pet gathers, i had a crapton left over but i still have a lot of gathering left to do

crafting has a could use a few tweaks yea but everything u want is down right lazy and uneeded u get 1 food slot and 2 potions slots that been enough for a lot of ppl since beta til now, dont like the crafting system dont craft even though it's easier now then when ppl were doin it in early chapters most who didnt complain and are still crafting

If u cant make at least double the money u spent on crafting ur doing it wrong

Quoted from "lightdragon999;567461"

1. so does levling and gearing and pets

2. pet crafting
3.what matches hero pots and touch of the unicorn?
4. so does ur gear, Adv AH get it learn it love it
5. ok go back to ch 1 and 2 and gather it by hand like everyone else did
6. ok refer back to 5
7. refer back to 1

took me 3weeks most of that time was spent afk to raise my alch to make stron stims,waters,uni corns not on the craftint event

i made back at least tripple all the gold i spent and never needed to make anything that i couldnt sell til around the lvl 40 gap where i could only make the gathering pots, which i then took after filling half my bag wit pet crafting tools and used to level my gathering while my pet gathers, i had a crapton left over but i still have a lot of gathering left to do

crafting has a could use a few tweaks yea but everything u want is down right lazy and uneeded u get 1 food slot and 2 potions slots that been enough for a lot of ppl since beta til now, dont like the crafting system dont craft even though it's easier now then when ppl were doin it in early chapters most who didnt complain and are still crafting

If u cant make at least double the money u spent on crafting ur doing it wrong

the problem with that is what the problem has always been. The only actual worthy money you can make from crafting is from Cooking and Alchemy.

Every other craft, you are very versed to lose money than make money. The only one that can make just a tiny bit is Blacksmithing when crafting shields. This problem with crafting has been talked about for a long long time. Since chapter 1.



As far as making crafting better. I think crafting equipment should have a chance to have ghost stats, just like it has a chance to have durability and have higher quality. Right now the only use of crafting equipment is to get blank, overdurability stuff. Making most of the higher quality stuff useless unless its weapons.

Another thing is that crafting equipment is further limited that they can only craft Chest and Leg equipment (helmets at 30 ). Leaving no gloves, shoulder or feet equipment minus a few special sets.

The other thing being that it is difficult to level at higher level. It was understandable being difficult to level back in chapter 1 and 2 because of the level cap, but after the cap was raised, regular leveling became easier, where crafting level remained unbearably difficult and stays that way. Lower level leveling was easier, because the experience gain was actually greater and abundant resources, mid level it was a real drag but resources are still abit abundant so it was bearable, it just took ages for it to level even if you have a mass arsenal of materials, higher level its just a horrible pain.

As of right now, ALchemy and cooking is fine for the most part.
But every one else. Its just a chore for little gain.



My suggestions I beleive are:
1. Give equipment a chance to get random ghost stats
2.Higher quality equipment additional have a chance to have a higher base tier with better ghost stats.
3. Easier leveling experience after 50+
4. Wider range of equipment options to craft rather than just helm,chest and legs.

Theres probably some more I havent listed and cant remember that I posted before. But I'll post them as I remember.

generally agree with everything from the original poster except the potion an food thing. I think they are just fine.I

The thing I hate most about crafting is the time wasted refining. Sure, you can do it afk but I would rather not leave my game running just to refine.

I also agree with the OP on most points except food & pot buffs.

I did my crafting the old way too but I don't want new crafters to suffer just because I did. Crafting needs a huge tweak.

Here's some of the ideas I've had:
1. Diamond shop items that ensure crafted item is OD (if they make money off of it they will care about it more). They have started doing this somewhat, there were items in the diamond shop that ensured an item was higher level of quality.

2. Crafted items a key set pieces that you can only get from crafting. The stats for these items would still be from instance runs (or mems). Most armor crafting only covers head/legs/body. So the other armor parts for an armor set could be from instance runs or mems as well.

I would like crafting items like food and potions have that the time stays with you even if you die like scarlet love and guild buffs. It would make crafting more worth while for me at least.

I think the way food and potions work is fine, they dissappear after death. That gives incentive to buy more from them.

i have a guildie who just crafts low level weaps and he makes a crapton of gold from it. he makes some of the best crafted low level weapons i have seen on indigo. sold a level 30 dagger for 20mil. an orange scorpion something or other. but yea, the demand is there for good crafted gear and weapons is just a matter of developing your market.

lol thats only one isolated case.
With the state of Indigo for that matter. Thats a different case altogether.

Really cant generate a general global consensus on a few isolated cases.

Gathering alone is useful for making money, as you can sell everything you find.
Planting can replace gathering at high levels, if you are trying to mater a production profession like Alchemy.

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[h=2][/h] [INDENT] [COLOR=black !important] i have a guildie who just crafts low level weaps and he makes a crapton of gold from it. he makes some of the best crafted low level weapons i have seen on indigo. sold a level 30 dagger for 20mil. an orange scorpion something or other. but yea, the demand is there for good crafted gear and weapons is just a matter of developing your market.

Around levels 20~30 seems to be the sweet spot for carpentry, because I can always sell good quality staves. So if one takes this strategy, the profession will pay for itself. Tailoring is harder because armor stats are important, where weapons' stats are less.
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lvl 20-30 is the sweet spot for crafted weapon because arena twinks use them. orange crafted weapons are the absolute best you can get at that level, so OD, orange weapons are in high demand in the twink community. armor not so much, as most people get OD, blank gear, and most crafted gear is not blank.

Quoted from "soulaeon;567665"

Gathering alone is useful for making money, as you can sell everything you find.
Planting can replace gathering at high levels, if you are trying to mater a production profession like Alchemy.

It can't, actually. Sure you can get certain mats from planting, but there are many cases where you can only get blue versions of certain mats when you need green ones, or only green versions when you need blue or purple...you still need gatherers to refine, since planting won't raise your refining level.

In regards to crafting as a whole, I agree with the people that said Cooking/Alch are fine. It's the armor/weapon crafters that have a difficult time. Blacksmithing is very expensive to level, merely because a lot of things don't sell well. Up to a certain level, you can craft some shields that will actually vendor for more than it costs to make them, but that pattern breaks once you get up into the 50s. Considering how many pieces you have to craft to level at 55+, it's costly, as well as pretty excruciating.

Lower level weapons sell decently, I'll admit, if you get lucky with them, but higher level weapons can't even come close to comparing to instance drops. They're not even worth using period if you have the weapon from the previous instance and are looking to upgrade. There needs to be some incentive to actually level these crafts to high levels, because right now, aside from shields, possibly, there really isn't a whole lot from armor/weapon crafting that's useful.

Quoted from "effervescent;567681"

It can't, actually. Sure you can get certain mats from planting, but there are many cases where you can only get blue versions of certain mats when you need green ones, or only green versions when you need blue or purple...you still need gatherers to refine, since planting won't raise your refining level.

In regards to crafting as a whole, I agree with the people that said Cooking/Alch are fine. It's the armor/weapon crafters that have a difficult time. Blacksmithing is very expensive to level, merely because a lot of things don't sell well. Up to a certain level, you can craft some shields that will actually vendor for more than it costs to make them, but that pattern breaks once you get up into the 50s. Considering how many pieces you have to craft to level at 55+, it's costly, as well as pretty excruciating.

Lower level weapons sell decently, I'll admit, if you get lucky with them, but higher level weapons can't even come close to comparing to instance drops. They're not even worth using period if you have the weapon from the previous instance and are looking to upgrade. There needs to be some incentive to actually level these crafts to high levels, because right now, aside from shields, possibly, there really isn't a whole lot from armor/weapon crafting that's useful.

Thats exactly where I was getting at.

IF you luck out and actually make an overdura brown item (purple plus two color levels) you can not even make enough money to break even. Been there, done that. The yellow stat sucks compared to items nearly 10 levels below it and the stats of the item (damage, weapon speed, phy def, mag def, etc.) are worse that the comparable instance item from 1-3 levels below it. Plus no ghost stats and average worth less than instance items 20 levels below it in the auction house.

Vender it? lol!! Costs more to make than worth to a vender (a few exceptions); not counting costs of mats in either time, money, or both. Also not counting cost of time to make the item (want brown from purple: think days of crafting without let-up to get a low-dura one). [Sure there are those lucky ones who only made one item and it was brown overdura;1 in a million shot, sure I'll take it but I'll probably win the lottery first]

I have actually made 6 brown items, all underdura, all from making hundreds of purple items, all from weeks of work. And not a one even broke even on that item alone when sold. Brings a tear to my eye. I will come back to this game when something is done about this; something constructive, til then, I'll be around here still complaining about a game I love and hate.