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Cike

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Sunday, September 21st 2014, 11:02pm

Advanced Scrutinizer

ok, i really hope this isn't breaking any rules, but i'll go ahead anyway.

in "that other game" there is an addon called Recount. it is like scrutinizer on steroids. if you've played "that other game", then you probably know what i am talking about.


in addition to the basic things scrut does, it also has over time graphs, breakdowns of CC/aggro/pool management, for the entire party. it has kill/death stats, and a whole crapton of extra info scrut doesn't do.

i was just wondering if there is anything even close for RoM, and if not, is there a way to maybe adapt Recount for RoM use, or a way to make a very similar addon. since i don't know squat about addons, i have no clue where to begin...
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Monday, September 22nd 2014, 1:20am

Recount is bloody amazing, and makes Scrut look worthless in comparison.
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Monday, September 22nd 2014, 1:26am

Recount is bloody amazing, and makes Scrut look worthless in comparison.

thats why i am asking ;)
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Monday, September 22nd 2014, 3:12am

Recount is amazing btw... just my two cents, would love to use it for RoM.
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Monday, September 22nd 2014, 9:09am

Recount and DBM - the WoW staple addon's lol. Both are amazing but then that community had a LOT more players and dev. support to work on those addons. That said, the two games are/were so very similar when RoM was released that I think it might be possible for someone who understands addons well to maybe modify recount for RoM. I could be wrong here, my knowledge of such things is purely theoretical.
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Monday, September 22nd 2014, 2:01pm

in addition to the basic things scrut does, it also has over time graphs, breakdowns of CC/aggro/pool management, for the entire party. it has kill/death stats, and a whole crapton of extra info scrut doesn't do.


I don't now Recount, but I know RoM enough to shed some light over the possibility of those points...
  • Graphs: Hard to do, depending on which type of graph
  • CC Management: Kinda hard, would require a database of all CC Skills
  • Aggro Management: How did that work? like normal aggrometer? or like aggro per skill?
  • Pool management: Kinda trivial for most classes now :/
  • Entire party: 6-man-party should work, raid won't work outside of your current party. Could use a hatelist approach, but then it would be easy to manipulate (also spam block issues){/list]

    I can take a look at it, but i probably won't be able to squeeze much working functionality out of it. RoM has limitied the addon interface for damage/healing output quite a bit, and scrutinizer already gets most of the information :/

    If you want an easily visible example of these limitation, look at the following macro:

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    /run for i=1,36 do local p="raid"..i.."pet" if UnitExists(p) then SendSystemChat(string.format("[%d] pet '%s' found for %s",i,UnitName(p),UnitName("raid"..i))) end end

    Get a priest or a warden to summon their fairy/spirit and move them do different positions in a raid, then use that macro.

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    From raid index 20 (raid group 4 place 2) onwards the macro won't be able to detect fairies and spirits

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Monday, September 22nd 2014, 3:58pm

This kind of thing has been requested before.

Way back when I created a simple demo addon as a proof of concept for drawing graphs. I can't find the original post, but this thread has a link to source code for my demo graph addon and has a (very) short discussion about how it works.

Anyway, If anyone is interested in implementing a Recount like thing, this may be of use.
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Monday, September 22nd 2014, 5:36pm


This kind of thing has been requested before.

Way back when I created a simple demo addon as a proof of concept for drawing graphs. I can't find the original post, but this thread has a link to source code for my demo graph addon and has a (very) short discussion about how it works.

Anyway, If anyone is interested in implementing a Recount like thing, this may be of use.

Just looked at it, it's what I had in mind when I wrote "Hard to do, depending on graph type" ^^

IMO the bigger problem ist that the events COMBATMETER_DAMAGE and COMBATMETER_HEAL are only triggered for members of your own group. If you're interested in pets (like Chiron), it's only triggered for your own pet. One could work around this issue with a HateList-like approach (sending updates in a hidden chat channel), but then you'll have a big overhead filtering out duplicates and buffering up (max 255 characters per message IIRC, and like max 1 message per second over extended periods of time). Even with good compression and only posting your own updates I think it will be hard to keep everybody updated in a timely manner.

There are some additions that CAN be done to the current scrutinizer, but most of them won't be new information (one could filter overheal, but that's about it). One could try to correlate aggro and damage dealt, but that will be error prone and laggy at best. One could add graphs, and with Peryls snippet someone might do that ^^

Recount would be nice to have, but I don't see a good way of getting more than a prettier scrutinizer :(

PS: I attached my overheal filter for scrutinizer, just install it like any other addon (it hast to be loaded after scrutinizer, so please don't rename the folder ^^)
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