Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "EsxCape;479045"

Actually the cash shop has little to do with FA. I don't know why people keep struggling under this concept that FA "created" the cash shop. As a publisher, what FA can actually "create" within the game localization is very very small. The cash shop is created by the developers, in RoM's case Runewaker and in Eligium's case Shanda (two unrelated companies). The items that are created for it and which are available within it are controlled by the developers. FA is only responsible for pricing these items in the local currency.

I guess I should be saying FI, not FA. The fact is, this game is not currently being published by our Frogster America division. It is being published by the Frogster Interactive headquarters based in Europe (means only EN (British), DE (German), FR (French), and Polish versions will be available. US residents are expected to play on the EN server atm). Personally, I love the way that EN Frogster handles their cash shop for RoM so I doubt there will be any problems.

On a side note, RoM is actually the first game I've ever played (out of many MMOs) that has a cash shop so necessary to game play. In every other game the cash shops have been for unneccessary vanity items. It seems that this new MMO will be setting it up that way as well, which is the more common system in my experience, so I'm not surprised at all.

FA has absolute control over the CS, they choose when to introduce items into the game and for what price. RW has installed it into the game and given FA the codes. As publisher they have absolute control over the price of diamonds and CS prices.

RW gets paid a flat rate as well as percentage of sales. So at any given time FA can drop all the CS prices. But we all know that is no where close to happening.

From what I have read several publishers of RoM have shut down servers, Brazil being the most recent. I don't blame the bugs, glitches, crashing. I blame the fact that RoM publishers have priced themselves far high compared to their competitors, every patch forces you to get diamonds wether you buy them or not.

You are right about almost everything you said accept the fact that RW has Zero to do with CS pricing.

Quoted from "regentego;479078"

FA has absolute control over the CS, they choose when to introduce items into the game and for what price. RW has installed it into the game and given FA the codes. As publisher they have absolute control over the price of diamonds and CS prices.

RW gets paid a flat rate as well as percentage of sales. So at any given time FA can drop all the CS prices. But we all know that is no where close to happening.

From what I have read several publishers of RoM have shut down servers, Brazil being the most recent. I don't blame the bugs, glitches, crashing. I blame the fact that RoM publishers have priced themselves far high compared to their competitors, every patch forces you to get diamonds wether you buy them or not.

You are right about almost everything you said accept the fact that RW has Zero to do with CS pricing.

The thing is, the fact that a purified fusion stone is a cash shop item or that a bind lifter is a cash shop item or that +ing is a cash shop item...thats all the INTENTIONAL design of the cash shop, it was created that way, regardless of how FA decides to sell these items to the public. They are, have always been, and always will be cash shop items. And yes, FA controls the prices because that is part of the localization process, as I stated before.

The thing is, RoM has pretty much always been a game where the cash shop set up is for pay to win. That's what the design model is, thats what it's purpose is, FOR THIS GAME.
The fact is that Shanda is a completely separate business from Runewaker and that they have specifically stated that their cash shop is "optional extra items unnecessary to 'win' the game" is their overall system design. They have made it very clear that it will be a luxury item cash shop from the get-go. So if FI wants to price them high then it won't really matter for 2 reasons: 1) the game already comes with great armor and mounts and weapons...luxury items for personalization don't seem like a must-have, and 2) I don't really see many US-side players buying from an EN-cash shop anyway because regardless there will be a pricing "gap" due to currency exchange rates. If that's a downer, you can scroll back up to #1 to make yourself feel better. xD

I think we're in agreement here because I said that FA is responsible for CS pricing, unless I made a typo somewhere. I never said that RW is responsible for prices; that would be impossible because they do not use US currency >_> Pricing is part of the localization process of publishers. However that doesn't alter the intended DESIGN for the cash shop.

EDIT: Here is the main point in the first paragraph of my previous post:

Quoted from "EsxCape;479045"

The items that are created for it and which are available within it are controlled by the developers. FA is only responsible for pricing these items in the local currency.

Where "it" refers to the Cash Shop. "The items that are created for it" = for example, a PFS. "and which are available within it" = for example, a PFS will only ever be available from the Cash Shop; it will never be anywhere else. (Exception was for the Owenstein event, but I guess since Swag is quitting we won't see that again.) I don't see where your point deviates from mine, unless you're just agreeing with me

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8. What payment system does Eligium use?

Eligium is free to download, play and update! Through a micropayment system, players can purchase inexpensive optional extras if they so choose. These extras are neither necessary in order to play Eligium, nor do they make the game easier to win. Rather, those who purchase these extras can further customise the gaming experience to suit their own individual tastes.

Will be nice if they can hold up that end of the deal...


http://www.eligium.com/us/faq.html

Ok I guess the game FAQs weren't convincing enough. Here it is, coming out of Frogster's (EN Staff) mouths about the cash shop *in relation to Runes of Magic.* Yes, they mention Eligium's cash shop and specifically name Runes of Magic as what it will NOT be modeled after.

---> Video HERE
Specific statement starts at exactly 4:00 on the video; finishes around 4:20.

Others may still be skeptical, but I'm personally convinced. I don't know how much clearer they can be than they already are. xD

Hmmmm. Game is looking so good i hope its f2p like rom with cash shop but less usage of cash shop than rom :p

Quoted from "yoman1;479185"

Hmmmm. Game is looking so good i hope its f2p like rom with cash shop but less usage of cash shop than rom :p

From what I've read, it is f2p and the cash shop is just optional luxury items for personalizations.

Quoted from "EsxCape;479226"

From what I've read, it is f2p and the cash shop is just optional luxury items for personalizations.

And that's exactly what I like to hear

Talk of it maybe starting its closed beta tomorrow. Granted its just hearsay but I for one cannot wait. They are looking for 5000 total likes and will release 200 more keys if they meet the goal by 11-11. Last I looked it was 402 likes to that goal. https://www.facebook.com/Eligium

I got my beta key a few weeks ago, no date has been given on CB though.

I can blame the economy on Frogster, sure. I can't blame the flaws of the game on them though. I have to blame the devs for that. New dev = new hope.

I've played different games by the same devs, but different publishers, and it had turned in to the same game... So same publisher but diff dev = good results?

Don't forget Tera http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDWp2ZpV-IA That video actually shows gameplay not just a trailer. Also, Frogster Interactive is the publisher outside the US, En Masse Entertainment is the publisher for the beta in North America. Symbols/icons are similar to FI's. hmmm so much to chose from. I think Tera is p2p after beta though.

+ Is there open-world PVP in TERA? There are world PVP servers in TERA; these PvP servers will also include Battlegrounds that provide specific PvP rewards. There are also PVE servers that provide consensual PvP content, such as Battlegrounds and duels.

Yawn, Boring. PVP sucks because of being sniped but PVE only with PVP on consensual basis is fairly boring too. Must have open areas of pvp in a pve server without the need for consensual blasting.

Quoted from "acypcar90;455257"

Ahh so THAT'S why they're letting RoM go to shambles...to get us to play their new stuff wen everyone quits this game..cuz they've done SO well managing this game, I TOTALLY wanna play another of theirs..

First off Frogster is a publisher not a developer, here is their stable of games they "publish" http://www.frogster.de/en/products.html, please inform yourself before posting, also this game is nothing like RoM and the game is not even developed by the same company "Runewaker", it's developed by "Shanda Games".

Frogster isn't dumping RoM they are adding another game to their stable. The gameplay is closer to Diablo than RoM and they are cashing in on a bit of recognition with the panda class. Seems like a decent game to add to their lineup, but it isn't going to replace RoM, please quit trying to spread rumors and take the tinfoil hat off.

I played Eligum in closed beta and I though it was awfully boring and grindy, and movement was choppy; hopefully that gets fixed for launch though.

P.S.: Bowers can't shoot while moving... lol...

OB starts the 15th FYI...I hope they did A LOT of work on the game during the downtime...I played closed beta for a few weeks and it was nowhere near where a closed beta *should* be, IMO. I've played maybe 20 or so betas over the last 5-6 years and I've never seen one so unpolished.

Definitely won't replace RoM...it's more like Diablo than anything else. Very simple and linear...has some potential though.

Sure does seem like they have a lot of extra income flowing about to start producing other games with cinematic graphics like the one in that trailer... wonder where all that extra dough is coming from... O.o

You can raise your own mount!?!? epic... Eligium looks kinda kewl, i am skeptical about the no targeting system however... Talk about line of site issues i can see is theres a rogue class alot of fail sneak atatcks xDD oh looks that rogue jsut ttried to atatck me and failed.. hard.. and pandas!! thats epic. Now before you all say it (wow has pandas) perfect world hadpandas long before any mmo i know. Just throwing that out there, this game looks good. Hoepfulyl the gameplay is better and the communication between shando and frogster is better than that of runewaker and frogster/gameforge

u do know it is a repackaged version of magic world 2?

So i've heard but not sure what it is.