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EntropyKnight

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Sunday, November 27th 2011, 1:35am

Alright, I'm sure there are plenty out there thinking it. There are those times when anyone feels like they're up against the entire world, and this is one of 'em.

When I joined RoM, I was expecting there to be some sort of gimmick that got the developers their paychecks as a F2P game, that would set the top-notch from the high-end. Back when the level cap was 52 (when I joined), this was.. pretty much the case. Nobody had to resort to PFS' in order to run content, but people did anyway just to be on top. That was to be expected.

The problem is, when chapter 2 and level 55 gear came out, the game as a whole changed. As a result, so did the community. So, because the content was more challenging all of a sudden, people felt the need to blame the developers for their own tendencies as players. Human nature; do not take blame for what you can find a way to avoid taking blame for.

Well, it's only gotten worse. Now it's hit a point where the development and staff are stuck not only trying to fix content across the board and introducing new content at a fixed pace, but also I remember the one who introduced me mentioning the player base suggesting that they come out with an instance that the best couldn't top the day it came out. Now that it's happened, what do you know... it gets worse.

Now, through all this I've been giving the developers and staff huge props for doing a few things to throw all of us for a loop and challenge us as players of their game. For anyone who remembers the time when they implemented the %mp cost for all mana-based skills, I had a blast! 'course, I was playing Knight at the time, and the only thing I did was really learned an appreciation for Mana Return.

That was the first time this happened, now it's with the GCD implement. Alright, well I know already how much all those trolls out there love to call me out for being stupid, having no life etc. but, the funny thing is I don't care. I'll defend my position, sure. The staff is doing their job, end of story.

Anyone can get irate over being called out for being childish, which is exactly what I'm doing to the majority here. Anyone can complain. Who can talk about this calmly and rationally?

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ghostwolf82

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Sunday, November 27th 2011, 2:04am

I'll talk about this calmly with you.

Looking at your sig, you are not endgame currently. You have no reason to say a word about this, and how it pans out at endgame.

The end.

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EntropyKnight

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Sunday, November 27th 2011, 1:18pm

See that's what's funny. You're right; I don't know what it's like up there at endgame (and quite frankly, if endgame amounts to getting upset over every last thing I don't care to find out either). However, the point of this thread wasn't to generate a response about the GCD implementation, it was to generate a response about the player base and its tendencies to go into a frenzy every time changes are made.

That's a lot of why I didn't put this up in the RoM discussion forum; this is about the player, not the game. Apologies if that came out poorly in the first post.

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vfwiffo

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Sunday, November 27th 2011, 6:22pm

Not all end gamers are like that, but the behaviour problem is more pronounced in them, yep. There is an air of jaded irritability and inability to figure out the system... because they already did. And now it is not the same, and you have to adjust. Well, by end game you are so set in your way that adjustment is difficult. You become a grumpy old man sitting on porch and yelling how everything is wrong with the world these days. You are so tuned to the way things were that you lose flexibility, ability to adopt. And then you start to rage or whine.

Men live by adapting environment to their needs and adapting themselves to the environment. You lose either one, and you are not a happy man.

-- Rustyx --- 92R / 92S / 92M on Reni (Guild KnightShift). Yes, running the new FOTM R/M, cause I am not elf enough to be WD/S.

Oh, and people who have more than 3 classes are clinically insane.

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smid1401

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Sunday, November 27th 2011, 9:05pm

[LEFT]You see the one and only reason a mage was worth taken on a run didn't happen until 4.0.0 when we got (Elemental Catalysis from LvL 65: No longer regenerates mana. To compensate, casting time has been reduced by 50% for 20 seconds. ).[/LEFT]

[LEFT]That one skill is the only thing that made us of any use other then farming dailies or mats . You've gotta wait till your LVL 65 ( NO other class has to wait that long) before you can be considered good enough to run things you've bin geard for , For the last 3-4 months [/LEFT]

Didn't matter that you had more HP/ def. then the run needed .. You just didn't hit worth a shitt .
Then we finally get a skill that made us ( Holly Fk ) wanted . That day almost made me cry with joy , A whole chapter of being told LOL ya I'll take a mage NOT !!! Really sucked and i was so close to tell this game to go Fk it's self .

But i waited and waited and waited then they Finlay seen the light and gave us 1 simple fix . Ya thats right every 5 Min's. i could do a .5 sec flame for a cool 20 secs ( mind you i had to eat/drink and pop everything in my bag to get the .5 sec flame ) But i was ASKED to come and HELP kill things .. Man that felt great. Now with this GCD we mages have just bin put back into chapter 3 .

I for one will NOT go back to how it was im here as a mage not mat farmer low lvl instance runner, Iv put my time in and have worked for my shot at the higher lvl runs only to be put down by a very bad joke .
Now you can go back and say we had it good back in chapter 2 when we were needed for HoS /etc. But really chapter 2 .. how Manny ppl wanna be stuck running chapter. 2 shitt for the rest of your days

Like iv said before if this is not fixxed/removed then i'll be looking for a new home .

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ghostwolf82

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Sunday, November 27th 2011, 9:31pm

Endgamers don't get upset at every last thing, they get upset when something makes the class you chose to play useless/pointless/impossible to play/broken. It's actually just the big things they get upset over. %mana cost for one was a game breaking implementation, so is the gcd. When something breaks the game, people hit the forums in droves because they no longer feel like playing the game. I've barely logged in the last couple days, most of my guild has barely logged any time in game as well.

The LoS is a bad implementation, and will be griped over as well, but it is not game breaking. Stupid? Yes. Game breaking? No. Gcd: Stupid? Yes. Game Breaking? Yes. Which one is being talked about by more people? That proves my point.

vfwiffo is an endgame rogue, so the gcd and %mana cost nerfs didn't touch him. His opinion is biased and skewed. I'm personally jaded by how FA has treated its customers, so my opinion on them is biased/skewed, but I have played many of the class combos to a high level, thus I understand the plight of any class that gets hit by a nerf. Regardless of how I feel about FA or RW.

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vfwiffo

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Sunday, November 27th 2011, 10:24pm

Meh. I lived through nerfs... used to play mostly Scout, which I think most people can agree is not exactly the class it used to be. And, no, I didn't complain and rage when that happened.

It is a sign of intellectual dishonesty is you let your personal circumstances affect what you think is right and wrong. When scouts were OP, I agreed that they should be less OP. Even though the changes were excessive, IMO, nerfing them was right.

Same goes for rogues. They are OP now, and should be taken down a notch. I might take advantage of game imbalance, but that doesn't mean I am going to agree with it or not, just because I use it.

FWIW, been playing Scout for last day (hit 70 on R), so have some first hand experience with new LOS issues, and the disparity between the actual and perceived limitations of the feature. And just because I don't play mage doesn't mean I dont hear from people playing that class, and I dont mean self-selected group who tend to go for excessive vitriol on forums.

-- Rustyx --- 92R / 92S / 92M on Reni (Guild KnightShift). Yes, running the new FOTM R/M, cause I am not elf enough to be WD/S.

Oh, and people who have more than 3 classes are clinically insane.

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ghostwolf82

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Sunday, November 27th 2011, 10:56pm

IMHO there are those of us that do no go to excessive criticism, only what is needed. It just so happens to look the same.

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