Runes of Magic US / AU

I just wish the governments would keep their noses out of other peoples pants. They should be working to make our country better not worse.

gov already pays for peoples "mistakes". in the form of welfare, food stamps and healthcare for the lazy and unambitious. kinda like shell gears in rom lol.

Sigh, it makes me very sad that people can and do abort children. It's not their fault you fk'ed up in the first place. Though I'm not entirely sure if it's not better to be born than to live in horrible conditions all your life... Personally, I think if you fk up, you should have to pay for it, not the government. 'S just more aid to those who will abuse it.

An unplanned pregnancy is a terrible thing. There is no point increasing the stress of such situation by making financial worries part of it.

Do you really think that someone that does not want to be pregnant and cannot afford an abortion would make a good parent at that time?

And you also think that people will now take no precautions against pregnancy as they don't have to pay for the abortion anymore?

The milk of human kindness really does flow deep in people that complain about such things. Really deep.

Quoted from "KatalanOrk;517729"

An unplanned pregnancy is a terrible thing. There is no point increasing the stress of such situation by making financial worries part of it.

Do you really think that someone that does not want to be pregnant and cannot afford an abortion would make a good parent at that time?

And you also think that people will now take no precautions against pregnancy as they don't have to pay for the abortion anymore?

The milk of human kindness really does flow deep in people that complain about such things. Really deep.

LoL how about this, if you can't afford a baby DONT MAKE ONE! They know they can't afford one, they know having relations can cause them to get pregnant. Sooooo where is their personal accountability? Don't make them the poor victim when they knew full well what their reproductive organs do.

Now instead the government is making their stupidity my responsibility. I got 3 kids, all beautiful and spoiled. I have always found a way to be successful and take personal responsibility, I've never taken a government handout. You know everytime I open my paycheck $901 is taken in taxes, that's where its going? MY taxes for their inability to close their legs.

Don't turn stupidity into a bleeding heart "oh think of the poor" how about this with each abortion they get sterilized! Problem solved.

I usually have a rule I don't discuss abortion no one wins that argument, and you won't change anyone's mind. But you all better thank god government abortions were not around before, otherwise you may not be here. Anyhow if anyone ever has a chance to Read a bit of Marxism, this is in there, not the way you would think but it's there, rather then Eliminating 20% of the population, they are eliminating the future population. We are going to reach Zero population growth very quickly.

Well I'm Catholic and so I've been taught my whole life that abortion is wrong. Like Ebilone said if someone cant keep their legs closed.... well just read what he said. ^

Ebilone, I was wondering if the phrase 'milk of human kindness' would pull you out of the woodwork.

It isn't about think of the poor, its think about the human beings. People make mistakes - the fact that you haven't only goes to show how alien you are, not how admirable. A state should protect and support the vulnerable and needy of its society. And a teenage girl that maybe faces being kicked out of her house by her intolerant father, the love of her life running out on her as it isn't his problem (unwanted pregnancies are a strangely female problem), see her dreams of a proper education and career slipping away is someone that I would classify as needing help rather than a lecture on personal accountability. Oh and forced sterilisation. More Cornflakes anyone?

Keep your legs together? Hey that could work. And every government should also scrap every anti-drug campaign and rehabilitation program, cause a few posters saying, 'Just say no' would be more cost effective. Because Ebilone has never been addicted, no one else has an excuse.

And if you have the personal opinion that abortion is wrong, that doesn't mean you have the right to force that decision on other people. My body, my choice. Abortion is part of today's modern medicine, and it is a basic human right to have access to it if the individual desires it, regardless of financial situation.

Empathy is something that is rarely overestimated.

heres a thought, a fetus exists because a cell had the will to live, the desire to reproduce and grow into a human. who is anyone to take that childs will to live away before they even have a chance to defend themselves? i know, womens rights, their bodies whatever. i agree with ebil. take responsibility. abortion is just a nicer word than baby murder. kind of like how lots of nicer words are used for all sorts of evil things, like "enhanced interrogation techniques"="torture". candy coating language of a thing does not change the essence of what that thing is.

The topic wasn't about whether abortion was ethical, but whether it should be a service provided for free by the state.

Foetus =/= Child. That's all I'll say about that.

The whole thing is pretty inappropriate for a gaming forum, and this is definitely taking it too far.

I wish there was some way at expressing my revulsion and horror at such archaic mindsets that wasn't against the forum rules, so I'll guess I'll just have to leave it at that.

There are such things as CONDOMS. Problem is that people do not think before they act. They want instant gratification without even thinking about conquences. I am not against abortion to save the mothers life, but to keep someone from beign inconvienced?? Having kids is a choice all of us make every time we do the deed. If a woman ends up pregnant it was not a mistake. The only mistakes in life are letting people think they can just flush away what they do not want.

Quoted from "MegaMouseSEC;517783"

There are such things as CONDOMS. Problem is that people do not think before they act. They want instant gratification without even thinking about conquences. I am not against abortion to save the mothers life, but to keep someone from beign inconvienced?? Having kids is a choice all of us make every time we do the deed. If a woman ends up pregnant it was not a mistake. The only mistakes in life are letting people think they can just flush away what they do not want.

Well said.. well said. Cant put it any better than that.

have you ever noticed that it seems men gripe most about this issue and they do not do the labor?

Quoted from "MegaMouseSEC;517783"

There are such things as CONDOMS. Problem is that people do not think before they act. They want instant gratification without even thinking about conquences. I am not against abortion to save the mothers life, but to keep someone from beign inconvienced?? Having kids is a choice all of us make every time we do the deed. If a woman ends up pregnant it was not a mistake. The only mistakes in life are letting people think they can just flush away what they do not want.

Quoted from "GarySandstorm;517791"

Well said.. well said. Cant put it any better than that.

You two are insane.

You only have sex to have children? -.- Areyou****ingserious?

And are you even old enough to have had the education that there is no 100% effective birth control? And if a girl is persuaded into having sex without protection then it is her responsibility? Everything is black and white?

Seriously I am going to have to stop posting in this thread as there is no way I can reasonable discuss this with people that the only things that are lower than their intellect is their ability to experience compassion and empathy.

Quoted from "KatalanOrk;517751"

Ebilone, I was wondering if the phrase 'milk of human kindness' would pull you out of the woodwork.

It isn't about think of the poor, its think about the human beings. People make mistakes - the fact that you haven't only goes to show how alien you are, not how admirable. A state should protect and support the vulnerable and needy of its society. And a teenage girl that maybe faces being kicked out of her house by her intolerant father, the love of her life running out on her as it isn't his problem (unwanted pregnancies are a strangely female problem), see her dreams of a proper education and career slipping away is someone that I would classify as needing help rather than a lecture on personal accountability. Oh and forced sterilisation. More Cornflakes anyone?

Keep your legs together? Hey that could work. And every government should also scrap every anti-drug campaign and rehabilitation program, cause a few posters saying, 'Just say no' would be more cost effective. Because Ebilone has never been addicted, no one else has an excuse.

And if you have the personal opinion that abortion is wrong, that doesn't mean you have the right to force that decision on other people. My body, my choice. Abortion is part of today's modern medicine, and it is a basic human right to have access to it if the individual desires it, regardless of financial situation.

Empathy is something that is rarely overestimated.

First don't mistake me for a social conservative, I'm not the type to wave a bible around.

Second, I didn't comment on whether or not abortion is wrong, I don't discuss that nor will I get baited into it, however I can say just like welfare cell phones, I don't want to pay for it.

Im not a bleeding heart though, the whole milk thing is a silly liberal term. I take care of my own. If this were 150 years ago I would be hunting to feed my family and selling the pelts. No one is helpless, they are lazy though. If I can wake up everyday put my pants on one leg at a time and walk out the door with a purpose then so could every able bodied person. I don't like lazy people.

Here is what I'm willing to pay for, sex education, and a diploma at the end of the course that says "I know my wee-wee or my cha-cha will make a baby" Teach them how to walk their happy hormonal self to the store to buy contraception and that's as far as I'm willing to go. Otherwise they make a baby their decision is to do what is right for them. I already pay for babies to be born, i shouldn't have to pay for them to be terminated.

Now go be a good liberal and twist my words again. I don't worry about the poor, they will be fine. Though I'm still going with a free sterilization with every abortion, if government is paying for it, how long till they cross that line? Heck I may write my congressman about that right now.

Funny thought what if the government contracted apple to develop abortion kiosks in mall, call them iabort...hehe

Quoted from "Rikatah;517804"

I had this thought too.
I lean toward a gender-specific voting and lobbying for any issue concerning issues which only effect one gender. I even feel, for example, citizens and politicians have no firm argument or voting power with what happens in the armed forces. Many issues should be limited to the actual involved entities.
However, it does take a male and female for an abortion to be a decision for a woman. It is a sad situation when the male person leaves the situation and only the female is the one making the choice.

With some conditions, I tend to feel the same way towards the vote.

I don't feel that abortion should be outlawed, but don't think it should be considered just another method of birth control, which is a position I have heard many times. Accidents do happen, but smart people take steps to prevent pregnancy beforehand.
Another issue which ties in with the gender issue, is that as it currently stands the choice to have an abortion is entirely up to the woman. If there's a pregnancy, no matter how much the man involved wants a child, the woman can have it aborted and he generally has no say at all.
However, even if the man has a hundred perfectly valid reasons for her getting an abortion, she can just say I'm having the baby, and your paying for it.

It just doesn't seem right that the decision to abort or to make someone else responsible for the next 18+ years can be made unilaterally.

I know it sounds bad to bring finances into it, but I have worked with many people, both men and women that have had 2-3 years of college, then had to quit and get full time jobs because of an accidental pregnancy. There have been some very promising careers that never got started because of it.

It's an important decision with the same consequences for either party, both should have a say in it.