Runes of Magic US / AU

And "free" better not be those fail vendor jewels.

Quoted from "bleedingblak"

+6 should be free at vendor now.

+12 should be price of +6's

+16 should be price of +12's

+20 should be price of +16's and put in the IS ffs.

agreed with BB.

this should have been done a long time ago, imo.

either that or make all gems perfects for the current price of randoms.

Quoted from "bleedingblak"

+6 should be free at vendor now.

+12 should be price of +6's

+16 should be price of +12's

+20 should be price of +16's and put in the IS ffs.

+1000

Plussing is one of the most expensive, most aggravating things in RoM by far.

yep totally agree but you forgot the +24 jewels at the price of the +20 because that will be coming too soon i expect

Quoted from "zidlef"

Wings in this game should be plussed once and only once, then when time to upgrade comes along, you get one attribute purifying stone, clean out all the stats and put the fresh ones on, i have been doing that for 2 years now.

Attribute Purifying Stone became too rare though, haven't been in shop for ages

And why should they put Attribute Purifying Stones back in the IS when it's so clear they make more money by having randoms and 1 stat cleaners.

The same reason they wont just put +20 gems in the IS instead of the stupid Wheel of (Mis)Fortune:

They'll keep doing the same thing over and over and charge the same high prices over and over because people with no self control KEEP. BUYING. INTO. IT.

Words mean literally nothing. GF won't care or change unless they're losing real dollars because people stop buying diamonds. To those who want change, speak with your wallets and rally others to do the same.

And even if by some fractional and clearly nonexistent chance GF DID care about our words, so what?? There is literally NO ONE running the cash shop and hasn't been for quite some time. So our suggestions and ideas fall on deaf and, again, nonexistent ears

+1
I agree. Things are way to expensive in this game. I used to be a diamond seller on Reni and sold mine cheaper than most. Anyone from Reni know who I am, I'm the only one that still plays the scout. Why? because I love the class, even though it hasn't seen any love for years. So yes, I've spoken with my wallet. It hasn't been opened for this game in a long time now. Problem is, the company doesn't care. The ones writing the code that is, the ones trying to run the game, give up after awhile, they can't change the coders minds, so why try. You can only beat your head against a brick wall so long, before the headache sets in. I stick around with the faint hope they will change the current state of the game, but......................

Wolfstryder

Well you are terribly wrong in saying that old players don't have time to show new players the game. A lot of people on Reni have guilds that new people can join and learn to play. They also have buff towers that will increase your pdef/mdef/HP by 5000 which means less death and debt when you start playing, so cheaper to play. The know ledge you can find on the forum for any new players in spectacular and has been provided by players like us.

Many add-ons have been made to facilitate your progression in the game, by players in game. GM's are available when problems occur, players like us again helping out. If you get in a long standing guild you might even find a crafter that will make you gear for free or close to it, for you to gear your toon.

Old players like me complaining about item shop, well we've seen a few bad decisions been made over the years, but we also get diamonds sales every 2 weeks mostly, so the cost of the IS for diamonds buyers is almost 50%. Ya i would like it 50% IS and then diamond sale still, but it will take time for them to decide to do that.

This game was never made to be soloed, NEVER, MMORPG that says it all. You also gotta remember that a lot of older players have been burned by newbies, you give them stuff, info, gear, food etc and then 1 months later they leave to another guild or just quit altogether and never returned the gear that was loaned or given to them. That is why some people are more resilient to help lower levels except for quests, i blame trolls, new players who do not even try to play and be nice with other people, that also didn't help the population. You can only get burned so much before giving up.

Overall there are great helpful people on Reni, but if you are not gonna put time and effort into it, you will have to spend real money for yourself. Attitude is a big part to play the game also, learning who to trust and who not too.

But whatever you choose, good luck.

acypcar hit the nail on the head in terms of the cost of the game.

they will keep increasing cost until their sales drop, clear and simple.

buying dias while complaining about the price will not tell GF anything except "this price is acceptable"...

Well costs have been going down, Puri's at 19 diamonds instead of 39 diamonds, on special at 9 or 10 diamonds, one of the most needed item to improve your gear, abl's at 59 diamonds on special, 10 X +16 armor jewels last night for 150 diamonds and 160 ruby bonus on it. It's funny when people think that by not buying diamonds at all it will make Gameforge changed their minds lol, ya it will, they will close the servers completely when no revenues come in.


It is by talking about issues that you resolve them. We have actually got a lot of things fixed for the game over the last 2 years. Would be nice that people keep their frustrations/qq'ing/trolling out of those conversations. A lot more gets accomplished by acting maturely and not throwing tantrums when something doesn't go as they want it or fast enough. ( this is not meant at anyone in particular, just a general thought that includes me at times ;-) )

I vote Saitohajime or Aqualink as Item shop manager NOW!!!!

Quoted from "zidlef"

I vote Saitohajime or Aqualink as Item shop manager NOW!!!!

Saito for prez! lmao. Yes. Let's have Saito be the IS Manager

zid, the game has gotten more expensive since GF has reduced costs. yes, there is the odd item that is a nice price, but for the most part, the game has just gotten increasingly expensive. if you buy dias regularly, you are telling GF that they have your blessing to screw your wallet.

Well except for the fail rates for plussing jewels that would need to be eliminated since we pay diamonds for them and should just be a guaranteed success on every try. The rest i can live with it and hope they will lower other prices soon, but i will keep opening my wallet since i love the game. Those who don't, it's fine, it's their choices, Btw have you seen any governments in the world scare because their citizens will close their wallets to mess the economy of their country for better social services, healthcare, paycheck raise etc?? they wouldn't do a thing because in the end the community would pay for it as a whole, same thing here. No money= no servers

As to why making our arguments here and letting them know might actually be better than making threats to Gameforge.

BTW did Gameforge find an item shop person??? GM please an answer? tyvm

i'm not sure what your argument is zid. can you please elaborate on your post?

the wheel of (mis)fortune is a great example of the increased cost of the game.


edit to try to understand:
"hope they will lower other prices soon" "but i will keep opening my wallet"

these two phrases communicate contradictory messages to GF. which one do you think will win?

simply put, as a business, they will not lower prices out of the goodness of their hearts or any other such reason. they are a business. they are interested in making profit. they will ONLY lower prices if it becomes economically beneficial to do so.

however, at this point, RoM is so much of a niche game, they are probably better off squeezing the "whales" for as much as possible than rather redoing their shop design, and merely hoping it brings more people with open wallets.

thus, a redesign is probably not in their best interest = probably won't happen.

so the casuals and new players will continue to be screwed, and the whales will continue to be milked. thats just how it is going to go, until it becomes economically beneficial to change their model.

it won't become economically beneficial for GF to change their pricing model until they start losing revenue from whales(though, you can argue this has started to happen, just observing the active players/spenders). hence why people closing their wallets is essentially the only way GF would be willing to change model(or shutdown...either/or).


bottom line is, if you buy dias regularly, then you are giving GF the go-ahead to perpetuate the current business model, no matter how much you complain about it.

TL:DR: if you aren't willing to speak with your wallet, then stop complaining about the current pricing model.

Quoted from "zidlef"

Well scouts have been nerfed 4 years ago? then Priest/scouts 2 years ago most of which because people QQ'ing about them being too OP, so i will blame the players. Now the class balancing is not perfect but there is nothing you can do about it, just hope Gameforge look into it with Runewaker.

I spend 50$ a month and craft/gather and farm, i do dailies, minis, events etc and get all that i need from the game without any issues. Yes i do run a lot of alts etc but that is to lower my cost in game. This argument about the game being expensive has been made so many times on the forums.

Wings in this game should be plussed once and only once, then when time to upgrade comes along, you get one attribute purifying stone, clean out all the stats and put the fresh ones on, i have been doing that for 2 years now. Also for gear, you do not have to upgrade every new level cap/stat, you can make do with that gear for 10 to 15 level if you know how to play your class, i still wear my Tatha's set level 80. I will end up cleaning the stat off, T8 and T9 all the pieces, since they are mainly all +18. This is a way to save some money with your gear.

Also compare the POM accessories level 90 to the level 77, the improvement from one or the other is so minimal, i cleaned off the stats from my OD 77 and restated. You gain to upgrade to level 90 POM 67.7 MATK and 11.3 points of crit, is this worth upgrading too/plussing/drillers etc? no it is not. You don't need to get the new shiny things when they come out, be a smart player and save some money ;-)




I would love the lowering of stuff in IS, it would be great but i doubt they will do much about it, EU side is making a lot more money than US side, i am pretty sure of that seeing the gear they have. Gameforge should make advertisement/ads etc to get more people into the game and lower the costs on everything, then the population would grow and costs would go down for all players.

Most upgrades are minimal unless you are adding full set bonus to where there wasn't a set bonus.

With purple's being t6 at 90, the item being 90, naturally you would go 2 tiers up from the base of the item, making it a t8 and putting it to an upgrade level on par to most upgrades when you go to the next tier and said item is 13 lvls above.


BTW as a mage you don't even stat correctly, I can't tell if it's a dps item or a pvp item. Maybe that is why a lot of people in this game have mixed returns on all the money they spend when they most likely spent it wrong.


Then again what do I know im f2p.

why did you just copy my whole post? also i posted the gear to show the difference on 77 and 90 POM gear to show that it is not enough an improvement for people to go through +16 it. Stating wrong? by which standard? i have fun with my alt mage and never had any issues, must be the scrut number thing, well don't care about it either. Also this thread is about costs of playing the game, not saying i stat better than you do. sorry for the bit of off topic but enough already with the swearing.

im surprised it took this long for someone to to derail topic about the screenshot of someones gear... i swear that trolls sit here and wait for screenshots to go OMG! wrong wrong wrong wrong... your doing it all wrong!

SO my to cents here,, i put down game roughly 6 months ago, came back recently, and vowed to myself that i wouldnt spend any more money on this game, and ive only been back a month and already bought diamonds twice ><.

#1 reason, i cant play all day long to grind out everything i need or to grind stats either from crafting, instances, easy modes, mini games, anything. I can only play roughly a few hours a day, and sometimes with siege in middle of my playing window, i dont get time to really do anything... So i had to buy diamonds to do what i needed.

I even spent roughly 400 mil gold buying diamonds with gold and pretty much blew my stockpile as well. Kinda ridiculous imo the cost of anything even buying with gold i concur.

Imo you cut EVERY ITEM SHOP price in HALF... and bump up the amount of diamonds that you get with a money transaction by like 25%+

i will put 100 bucks on the table saying if you do what i said, this game would be hopping again. I could personally myself bring 50+ people to this game (or back to this game) who dont mind spending money on a game, but theres always a line... and the cost here is the line.

Increase the diamonds on the cards by 1000% and you might get somewhere with people, and yeah drop all the prices in the itemshop xD

Hell I might even play on thalia/arty again xD

Quoted from "Cike"

if you aren't willing to speak with your wallet, then stop complaining about the current pricing model.

I don't think that really does anything. Since chapter 3, probably players numbering in several hundred thousand in total have spoken either with their wallets or with whether they chose to continue playing or not. That certainly hasn't changed anything about fail rate of plussing jewels or the increasing IS cost.

About a year ago I read a few dozen employee reviews about Gameforge, and it seems like most of the employees are in agreement that Gameforge has the tendency to adopt the P2W model for most of their games. Assuming these reviews are credible, If RoM is no longer P2W, that'll likely reflect a shift in the entire company's business model and not just a change in RoM's business model.