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Tuesday, March 10th 2015, 4:36am

RoM is definitely still very P2W but that does not mean that players don't need to vote with their wallets to enable change. Unfortunately it's the micro-transaction whales spending whatever it takes to win that are both the target market and the problem. It simply doesn't matter that 100s or even 1000s of free to play or casual spending players have voted with the wallets in the past or even plan to do so moving forward because these whales can and will continue to place their needs above the community and spend far in excess of what the majority would consider a fair amount of money for their entertainment.

None of us are in a position to tell any other player how to spend or not spend their money, but we can sure make our voices heard that spending in excess is hurting rather than helping the game as a whole - not that I think it will make one bit of difference, but it's something at least.

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Tuesday, March 10th 2015, 7:32am

Statting gear is the big money-maker for this game, so very little changes will be done to make things more accessible. The worst is the fail rate for jewels (and not just the cheap ones). It really sucks that you have to spend cash for an item that may or may not work. On top of that, once you get the gear to +5, +11, etc. u have to use a perfect to get it up another level or else your jewels will continue to fail.

And to the OP, just remember that the cost can also be $0 towards the game if you have the time and patience.

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Tuesday, March 10th 2015, 4:15pm

Two quick questions:

1) Why is this off-topic?
2) Can someone buy OP a calculator?

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Tuesday, March 10th 2015, 9:51pm

Zidlef you have an abstract way of looking at the game t8-t9 your gear you do realize how much that cost just to buy puris for your gear right? Its around $100 to stat it allof it and your talking about buying even more puris to t8-t9 and saying its cheaper? By the way this thread is here to attempt to show GF how much people have become tired about the prices so if you show the prices of doing whatever your doing, in real life prices that is in game cost is just addition, so that people thinking about doing it can see the cost of it we might just turn a few heads and change the opinion of other RoM players. I understand that you have the time to spend on the game to save money on what your doing and/or you've been playing long enough to make the changes necessary with mostly in game cash and that is nice gratz to you but not everyone can. As far as your knocking my explanation on the lack of time for new players from older players I'm referring to my server and its not in all guilds and your whole server might be awesome and have people that can set aside the time to help out people but I have a feeling that your either not reading my post or your just not fully understanding my post in my server theirs more new players as opposed to old players with free time. Again there would be more then enough players to show new ones around that like that aspect of playing the game if the dias cost wasn't so much it would be easier for 4 people to show one person the game and explain it instead of one person showing 4 or 5 people the game at a time. Thanks again for all your comments. Please have people that you know come on and VOTE on prices they do not have to say anything other then I do not like the cost of game a fuller explanation would be nice!

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Tuesday, March 10th 2015, 10:56pm

First off i did agree that prices should be lowered. I run 5 toons that are fully geared and statted and plussed, i use the old gear from M/D to pass along my 2nd M/W then the M/W gear goes to my M/K toon so on, as too lowering my cost of playing. i have about 200+ alts that i do the pass me down thing too. Puris when they are at 9 diamonds each and you got your diamonds for 130% comes to about 3 to 3.5 diamonds a puri, can't get better than that, except if you want them handed to you free. People gotta be smart with their diamonds and when to buy stuff with it.

As for having time on my hand, well i do, in the past 6 months, i have given about 400 endgame stats to guildies and friends, crafted gear, diamonds, plussing jewels, tier 10 stones etc, potions, food, not sold, given to them.

If you are of the few who are unlucky to be on a dead server, i am sad for you and truly hope, like me, to have more players at the merge to have fun with. You could also have made a post with yes or no answer as a response only, GM's could have kept it that way too, just gotta ask them.

Didn't mean to offend you in any way, i was just posting my opinion as others did too.

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Wednesday, March 11th 2015, 1:20am

I'm ok with puri prices, especially with happy hour sales. I personally don't clean T8 or even T7 anything though, if I'm making the gear myself, and it hasn't really significantly hindered my enjoyment in game.

Something really needs to be done with +6 and +12 plussing jewels prices though, and they should be selling perfects for those at a more reasonable cost. This is really the 1 main problem I have with the game.

Runes - I would have preferred if they stopped at the 12 diamond runes. Judge/massacre, etc should have stayed in the database and out of the game.

AT charges - The problem is, the more you lower the price, the higher people tier. Imo, this should have been capped at T11, with T10 being the 'for everybody norm", otherwise there would be absolutely no difference in lowering AT charge costs <- I'm guilty of tiering higher when AT charges were sold for much cheaper in the birthday sales too.

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Wednesday, March 11th 2015, 12:07pm

Zidlef I'm not mad I have seen in small portions your comments about how the prices should be changed but for the most part your comments are about you and how you work the game and i constantly point out, in hopes that you will figure it out, this thread is about dias and how they need to change in order to bring more people in and keep them. Its for people to point out solutions that GF can use to show that the people that play the game care about it and want to see it succeed but your all about yourself and how you do this and do that use the thread how you want to I really do not care as long as the message gets across to Gameforge. If you wanted to help people gear all you had to do is say if your having trouble go to this thread "blahblahblah thanks I hope you do get the dias dropped or do not get the dias dropped but till then....". I would like to say thanks for your positive in put on the items that were on topic and thanks for the idea of setting up a voting thread I will look into starting one but this thread is to help Gameforge see the complaints and why its necessary to make the changes and ways to change that will not hurt their pockets but help them grow!
Anyway back to the topic I HOPE! Noble you have made a very good point on the tier in order for a tank to tank the dps shouldn't be able to pull aggro and lets face it if a good dps has a t12 and your running a t10 you better have a very good Hatred rune or the whole party will be wiped.
I honestly believe if Gameforge left everything they rotate in and out in the item shop then it would help people just coming in to look through and see what they really need to start off with buying because like when I first played in 2011, I have had breaks because of the silly prices, it was already confusing but for someone to say "Hold your dias just wait something goods coming one day!!" it really made me mad because i had already bought dias and didn't realize the strategy to the game WHY IS THEIR A STRATEGY TO BUYING THINGS YOU NEED??... This is money for dias in game for your toon things you need not a puzzle that you should have to solve. I hope I'm not repeating myself but I keep seeing things that make me feel like i need to explain it again in another way to clear up any confusion. I hope this thread is helping. (i try not to use abbreviations to much in order to help new players understand if they read this if you are having trouble understanding please add it in I do not want any confusion)

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Wednesday, March 11th 2015, 7:24pm

my friend... you need to space apart your paragraphs sir... hurts my eyes to read posts like that lol

If ravesden was still here you would constantly get a .... tldr. XD

But just saying for future help.

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Wednesday, March 11th 2015, 8:38pm

From the very day Rom came out of beta, pricing was already crazy high... I remember some guy playing a mage who they claimed spent somewhere around $20,000 on a staff on Govinda..

I last played my R/K, Named Enhanced probably 3 years ago now.. I have over $2000 tied up in gear for rogue and tank side.. My wife had about that much tied up into her R/S..

Sounds like things really haven't changed much..

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Wednesday, March 11th 2015, 11:21pm

The price for gearing and re-gearing is ridiculously expensive.

Ive said this the whole time, time and time again that ROM is a great game that has been poorly managed.

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Wednesday, March 25th 2015, 1:46pm

The biggest issue i have is the price for plussing continually increases with level cap increases. Each time we increase in level (60,70,80,90) we increase the price since a new jewel is introduced at a new higher price. So we when we get the new level cap to 92 we will have the new jewels from 91-100 at an even higher price. Other items in IS prices have stayed the same, or had minor adjustments.

The Jewels should have been capped at a set price for the highest level in game, then prices dropped on the previous ones to keep gear modding at a consistent rate, that or just one set of plussers for +1 thru +6, 7 thru 12, 13 thru 16, 17 thru 20.... not regulated by level, that way gearing stays consistent.

That is my largest complaint on gearing/re-gearing. :chainsaw:

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Wednesday, March 25th 2015, 3:40pm

In my honest opinion , Runes of Magic is a very expensive game to play in every respect. The only time it is not expensive is if your the type of person that plays just to craft, be social with your guildies, are prepared to spend an endless amount of time on the game and level up slowly with no expectations. Sure, you can level to 50 or maybe even 60 without spending a penny but after that if you want to improve your toon and start doing instances then you need to be prepared to spend money.

Even now at Level 90, the path that ROM has taken, if you want to run Instances you probably have to discard the toon you have been working on for years and RE-Roll or RE-stat same toon for a different class to even be considered Viable. If your not prepared to do this then you can forget about running any endgame content. And to do this after playing said toon for years, you have no quests left and the only option to level is to buy resets, or grind till your eyes bleed

. Everything is designed for us to Spend a ton of money to remain current in this game. Even with diamond sales, and Item Shop sales, it is still very expensive. I think anyone coming to ROM as a new player needs to know all of this before they decide to waste time on the game. It is what it is, and people can sugar coat it however they want, the game is expensive to play.

I been playing since 2009 and If I had saved the money I have spent on this game, I could of bought myself a new car :lol:

.... But I love the game and will continue to play and spend until something happens that turns me off. (Like having to switch to a class where I have to switch from cloth Gear, just saying ).

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Wednesday, March 25th 2015, 6:55pm

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Puris when they are at 9 diamonds each and you got your diamonds for 130% comes to about 3 to 3.5 diamonds a puri,

Sorry i had to step in here, and it's nothing personal believe me. But this logic is not to be used.

And honestly a business will always go where the money is.

But it should be obvious that the "whales" are not the major source of the games revenue. Even the whales need people to progress.

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Wednesday, March 25th 2015, 8:12pm

Honestly I doubt anything at this point will do much to retain much less increase the population of RoM.....

I been waiting almost two months now for one of those repeated sales that has not shown up since I last posted( almost as if GF looked at what I was doing to gear and decided to cut that ability out again...this time just by not putting the item I want up for sale )...so in return I have decided to quit paying or playing. Not that I am one of thier whales or anything of that nature but I have spent a fair amount of my income on RoM over the years.

TBH not even sure why I am posting.

Think Ruisen made the most valid point thou about spending/speaking with your wallet etc.....plenty of spenders have vanished and RoM has done nothing to alter or lower the cost of the game in all honesty....two months ago I was under the same perception as Zidlef with feeling like Gameforge was making a game out of being able to play as cheap as possible and they were to some degree lowering costs but a simple change such as not putting an item up for sale changes the entire cost of the game to damn near doubling the cost.

So have fun all and enjoy RoM it is a fun(addictive) game for some.

My habits will prob lead me to jump in again to see how it looks once they live up to doing the server merge that was suppose to be done by now I thought from the last discussions on the forums I was involved with, prob mistaken and the whole server merge was just a hoax to try and keep a few more customers hanging around ( it did me till I was recruited by a few friends to another game ).

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Wednesday, March 25th 2015, 9:19pm

I am playing a cell phone game called PAD. It is whole lot simpler than ROM (although balancing it is considerably harder), has a lot more players, never has discount on their premium cash-based currency, and I see people spending crazy amount of money on it, far more than ROM. Granted, it is not exactly same market as a PC based MMORPG, but as I see it, the only conclusion I can reach is that people who think that ROM is uber-expensive are clinically delusional.

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Wednesday, March 25th 2015, 11:12pm

Runes of Magic is a far better game then it's population shows, which is quite sad, but because of marketing thats just the way it is at the moment. And yes it can cost a lot of money, however... it's also one of the only games i've ever played that I have chosen to spend money on. It's all about what is worth it to you.

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Thursday, March 26th 2015, 12:48am

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I am playing a cell phone game called PAD. It is whole lot simpler than ROM (although balancing it is considerably harder), has a lot more players, never has discount on their premium cash-based currency, and I see people spending crazy amount of money on it, far more than ROM. Granted, it is not exactly same market as a PC based MMORPG, but as I see it, the only conclusion I can reach is that people who think that ROM is uber-expensive are clinically delusional.

Lol clinically delusional? I would argue that it's more a mater of perspective value and the availability of discretionary income. Personally, I refuse to pay more per month on RoM than I would a subscription based game just out of principle - despite having the means to spend more. Some may lack the means but not the desire. Whatever the case may be, obviously the majority of players (considering the number and frequency of forum posts both here and the EU forums) find the prices are higher than many are willing/able to pay for a video game and they are posting in frustration over the cost. Sure, some players don't have a problem spending a lot of money - to each their own. RoM is, was, always will be Pay to Win so ya, it's going to happen and after six years I find it highly unlikely it will change anytime soon. In the meanwhile, enjoy the game you own way but name calling because it is counter to one's personal beliefs is really uncalled for imo.

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Thursday, March 26th 2015, 2:04pm

Well with the secret garden minigames, playing ROM makes it cheap if you have alts. As i said many times, if you play the game smart, be patient and not upgrade your gear every month. People have complained for 6 years on the cost of playing ROM and it will always be so.

OMG i have said it, Roguetopriest nailed it with their comment : It's all about what is worth it to you.

Like RustyX said, other games where people spend a lot more than ROM. I understand when people see F2P games, join now!!! nothing is free in life, except the sun and air, water used to be but now they sell it to us. They will find a way to tax us for air and sun soon enough loll.

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Monday, April 6th 2015, 4:41pm

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I am playing a cell phone game called PAD. It is whole lot simpler than ROM (although balancing it is considerably harder), has a lot more players, never has discount on their premium cash-based currency, and I see people spending crazy amount of money on it, far more than ROM. Granted, it is not exactly same market as a PC based MMORPG, but as I see it, the only conclusion I can reach is that people who think that ROM is uber-expensive are clinically delusional.

You are exactly what is wrong with the current state of the game. The cash shop in this game(ROM) is required to do end game content while PAD is a perfect example of how to do cash shop right without forcing the user or making the user spend an unreasonable amount of time (or alt accounts) to do end game content.

Yes people spend thousands on PAD because they're HAPPY and satisfied with spending on there while in ROM everytime I spent money here it felt like I'm being blackmailed into buying or else I can't do the end game content and that feels horrible.

Look at Tera Online, you will never see a topic where the majority of the community complain that they can't do end game content because of cash shop. The only thing I spend in that cash shop are vanity items and I can do all end game content with only 1 main character (without creating multiple accounts) and spending a couple of hours a week playing.

Gameforge need to revamp the entire upgrading plussing system because games like Aion, Lord of the Rings, Guild Wars 2, etc have a fair cash shop that doesn't content wall anyone.

Think about it, why pay a game like this on an average of $20 to $50 a month (just to keep up) when free to play games like Rift Online doesn't pressure anyone to buy anything to do end game or just buy once game like Guild Wars 2 for $50 and never have to look at the cash shop? That's business done Right.

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Monday, April 6th 2015, 7:30pm

Metatime, if all those others games are so awesome and perfectly managed, why do you come here to complain and make advertisement for them? Saying RustyX is what's wrong with ROM??

ROM has been here for 6 years and still going, you don't have to be endgame to enjoy the game, you don't have to spend money on the game either, that is your choice. Some of us don't mind spending money on ROM for various reasons mentioned in many other posts on the forums.

There are many ways to get stuff from the game for free, gotta learn the ways of them, but too many will always have the mentally of a spoiled brat and go : I WANT IT NOW!!!. Don't want to spend the time, you're gonna have to spend the money.

But do have fun in those other superb games you mentioned in your post.

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