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Monday, August 30th 2010, 7:46am

Siege War: Top 50 Guilds [Website]




Ive created a nice list on my guild site of the top 50 guilds in siege war. (by score)

^^Update^^ As of 8/30/2010 I'll be tracking ALL guilds. There is now a "Full List" link at the top of the page for those who want to see the entire list of guild scores. I will also be adding a ZERO Bracket that tracks win/loss instead of score for those stuck down there with a score of 0.

The Site:
http://dawn-treaders.info/sw/

Disclaimer: With all the exploits, queing and general lagginess of siege wars, this list is just that... A list. I'm aware that there are alot of excellent quilds that get screwed out of making this list because of the above mentioned reasons. I really, really, really hope Frogster can convince Runewhatever to actually fix one of the funnest aspects of this game. This is NOT the place to voice your hatred of siege wars in their current form. There are plenty of other threads for that.

Q/A:

Q:How are the guilds sorted on the list?
A: They are first sorted by score in descending order so that the highest score is first. Then they are sorted by wins (DESC), losses (ASC) and ties (DESC) to sort out guild with the same score but different win/loss records. This places guilds with the highest score, most wins and least losses higher on the list. Seems the fairest way to do it at the moment.

Q:Why isn't my guild on your list? We have a score high enough. What gives?
A:Chances are, the database hasn't seen your guild yet. If you are new to the top 50 bracket then it'll take untill the current days siege numbers have been uploaded before you'll show up in the list. I'll also be programming in logic to remove any guild from the list that misses three consecutive sieges once queing is removed. This will prevent guilds from camping Top 50 positions.

Q:How do you get your numbers?
A:Every night when siege ends the siege UI is populated with every guild that played, their points, and whether they won or lost. I take screenshots of the siege UI, around eight total, and use those to enter all the data into a database. You can find these pics on the site under *archive*. The site takes care of updating the list after the upload.

Q:What if I find an error in the list?
A:Please post here and let me know. I've caught several errors myself so I'm sure there are more or will be more in the future. Fortunately errors don't propagate past their single entry and stick out like a sore thumb.

Q:Why is it sooo... Simple looking? Where are the graphs and colors?
A:I'll add graphs and other cool stuff when i get more data. The webpage itself is simple because I was more worried about getting the database and code working correctly than the aesthetics of the site. Simple is beautiful when coding.

Q:My score on your site says 1685, but the siege UI says its 1700. What gives?
A:For whatever reason, siege scores are fiddled with by the RoM servers. Ive seen this several times now where a guilds siege score will differ from the end of a siege to the beginning of the next siege. For example, the above actually happened to my guild Dawntreaders. We ended the night with 1685 points and started the next siege with 1700 points. I guess Frogster wanted us to have 15 extra points. My scores are ALWAYS the score you had at 9:00pm PST when siege ends for that day. Period.

Future Features:
I would love to add the ability for people to add notes to guilds or sieges. I loath guilds that cheat at siege war so I really want to add a system that warns others about them. Any and all suggestions and criticism are welcome and encouraged.

Thanks for your time.
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Monday, August 30th 2010, 7:54am

Known Issues:
-There is currently no sorting of columns.
-Performance and page loading has degraded since the sites "beautification". This will be resolved shortly.

UPDATE (2010-09-02)
-JQuery integration complete. The site looks much much better.
-Guild info front end has been added.
-The siege notes front end has been added.
-ZERO bracket list added.

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Monday, August 30th 2010, 7:59am

this is quite awesome. VERY nice work
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Monday, August 30th 2010, 8:05am

Cool! Good work mate!
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Monday, August 30th 2010, 8:05am

Hehe. One guild in particular seems to be missing. A guild with 3x the points of the current leader. :P

In all seriousness, nice list. Saves me having to keep a similar one by hand....
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Monday, August 30th 2010, 8:22am

Quoted from "Rashira34;329560"

Hehe. One guild in particular seems to be missing. A guild with 3x the points of the current leader. :P

In all seriousness, nice list. Saves me having to keep a similar one by hand....


hehe I know... If only they'd siege. I'd love to get them on the database.

I think the que has been kicking them out. I was all excited when I saw them signed up two days ago only to have them wiped off due to a server reset. (or something)

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Monday, August 30th 2010, 8:37am

Here is my problem with any list that is made. It has skewed results from Seige still beign in BETA. If they ever do decide to reelase seige as a fixed entity (everyone cross their fingers), and they reset teh rankings I do believe we will see a vastly different list than the one that is now beign made.
Right now any list that is made will be totaly off the mark due to teh fact that most of the so called "Top Tier" guilds used Mercs to get where they are now. Since mercing has been effectively stopped I have seen several guilds steadly climbing the ranks (and no I do not belong to any of those that are climbing steadily). Lets wait for the full release of Seige wars before we give cudos to any of the Guilds.

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Monday, August 30th 2010, 9:13am

Quoted from "MegaMouseSEC;329569"

Here is my problem with any list that is made. It has skewed results from Seige still beign in BETA. If they ever do decide to reelase seige as a fixed entity (everyone cross their fingers), and they reset teh rankings I do believe we will see a vastly different list than the one that is now beign made.
Right now any list that is made will be totaly off the mark due to teh fact that most of the so called "Top Tier" guilds used Mercs to get where they are now. Since mercing has been effectively stopped I have seen several guilds steadly climbing the ranks (and no I do not belong to any of those that are climbing steadily). Lets wait for the full release of Seige wars before we give cudos to any of the Guilds.


I couldn't agree more. I can't wait for the day that they reset all the scores and take the *BETA* tag off siege wars. Until then I've only got the current scores to work with, as skewed as they may be.

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Monday, August 30th 2010, 9:20am

Quoted from "MegaMouseSEC;329569"

Here is my problem with any list that is made. It has skewed results from Seige still beign in BETA. If they ever do decide to reelase seige as a fixed entity (everyone cross their fingers), and they reset teh rankings I do believe we will see a vastly different list than the one that is now beign made.
Right now any list that is made will be totaly off the mark due to teh fact that most of the so called "Top Tier" guilds used Mercs to get where they are now. Since mercing has been effectively stopped I have seen several guilds steadly climbing the ranks (and no I do not belong to any of those that are climbing steadily). Lets wait for the full release of Seige wars before we give cudos to any of the Guilds.


Orly?

Impenetrable has never accepted Mercs for a siege.
Neither has Pandemic.
Or Ragnarok, to my knowledge.
Or Chimera, to my knowledge.

That's the top 4. Who are you saying used mercs?

I don't think we'd see much of a change in the top 10, except maybe 1 or 2 guilds that are bugged at 0 points- but this has nothing to do with mercs.
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Monday, August 30th 2010, 9:24am

heh, dont worry, Dark Animus is coming up there :p.
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Monday, August 30th 2010, 9:34am

Quoted from "Rashira34;329579"

Orly?

Impenetrable has never accepted Mercs for a siege.
Neither has Pandemic.
Or Ragnarok, to my knowledge.
Or Chimera, to my knowledge.

That's the top 4. Who are you saying used mercs?

I don't think we'd see much of a change in the top 10, except maybe 1 or 2 guilds that are bugged at 0 points- but this has nothing to do with mercs.


Pandemic has merced in the past I know some ppl that have gone over to them. Great idea I look forward to see how things progress.

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Monday, August 30th 2010, 10:17am

The pitfall to a system as such this is the fact that some guilds choose to siege in a 0 rank team for a quick win just to get their daily badges, and honestly I don't blame them. Currently there is no incentive for having x number of points for your guild. If you only care about siege to get your badges to move forward in your siege titles, then really a 0 rank team is your better option. 9 times out of 10 you will face a no-show guild or one with at most a level 4x or 5x person. These will last max 15 minutes or so and then you can resume instance farming.

So awesome and kudos for setting up such a great system. Memos to Runewaker to fix the more logical errors behind the siege system.

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Monday, August 30th 2010, 12:16pm

I confirm Chimera has never used mercs, and we never will =D
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Monday, August 30th 2010, 1:29pm

Ragnarok has never allowed mercs to fight under our guild name.

A suggestion, instead of "Legacy_a", perhaps "Legacy (Artemis)" would be a bit more clear. I highly doubt that your HTML limitations are as pathetic as the RoM guild naming system and can support spaces and parentheses.

It amazes me that Forsaken Kings is Reni's #2 guild in points. That will change quickly enough as Wanted and Tainted Blood build their points up now that they have some.

All in all, I like this idea.
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Monday, August 30th 2010, 3:02pm

bad job
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Monday, August 30th 2010, 4:35pm

WOW! You have put a lot of work into this! I like it!

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Monday, August 30th 2010, 4:36pm

Good work.
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Monday, August 30th 2010, 8:14pm

Quoted from "Warhead42;329604"


A suggestion, instead of "Legacy_a", perhaps "Legacy (Artemis)" would be a bit more clear. I highly doubt that your HTML limitations are as pathetic as the RoM guild naming system and can support spaces and parentheses.


Thank you for the suggestion.

This is an easy enough fix. It shouldn't take more than a day or two to add.

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Monday, August 30th 2010, 8:18pm

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Pandemic has merced in the past I know some ppl that have gone over to them. Great idea I look forward to see how things progress.


Pandemic has not merced. They merely have such a large guild that most people assumed they were.

Now, they have gone out and given their services to other guilds. So has Impen. But we nor they have ever *accepted* mercenaries to fight for us, so while we may have messed up another guild's points by a small margin, ours are unaffected.
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