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He play on Palenque anyways, i read his post history and he never actually reveals his chracter or guild. However he almost lets it go in these posts.

http://forum.us.runesofmagic.com/showthr…0288#post320288

http://forum.us.runesofmagic.com/showthr…7944#post327944

Quoted from "mitchellhein;336045"

Nobody worth mentioning...
We don't have enough points to be anyone worth noticing.
We must have gotten all of our wins off guilds who weren't trying to win.
...and we all know that points are more important than ability or wins.

How could I have been so blind?

Nice to see Covenant break the top 50.
They were a zero point guild a month and a half ago.
It'll be interesting to see how well they do against all of you.
I already know how we did against them.

This reminds of the Simpson episode where all the billboards say, "Gabbo is coming!" No details......no pictures....just big, threatening letters.

WTH is Gabbo? Nobody knew anything about him...except that he was coming, of course.

Quoted from "remilafo;336043"

However ......

A single Scout (a reckless one at that) with no Healer even if he is dangerously geared is still taken down easily. The battlefield scores support this as Kannouchou is rarely in the Top 5 for kills. I find it strange you point him out when other members such as Garbageday (S/W), thornmaiden (S/Wn), Elementalgod (M/P) and Rexxorr (W/K) are by far more dangerous since they usually don;t go in without me or another healer backing them up.

oh, i was merely pointing out the fact that it was a great siege besides that little detail.. which does gets frustrating but I don't sweat it too much.. (when you have 65k hp and you die in less than 1 second, its kinda not very fun =p)

But yeah, thanks for mentioning the names of your threats tho.. I'll make sure to take them out first next siege - right after I kill their healer of course

Quoted from "mitchellhein;336045"

Nobody worth mentioning...
We don't have enough points to be anyone worth noticing.
We must have gotten all of our wins off guilds who weren't trying to win.
...and we all know that points are more important than ability or wins.

How could I have been so blind?

Nice to see Covenant break the top 50.
They were a zero point guild a month and a half ago.
It'll be interesting to see how well they do against all of you.
I already know how we did against them.

I don't think anybody here is saying that there are not some very good guilds stuck in the zero point bracket. However the consensus seems to be that trying put your guild on par with the top 25 guilds based solely on W/L record is just absurd. We (Superbad) are consistently matched up against the top 15 guilds and we win some and we lose some. Usually when we lose it is becuase we are outnumbered and on some occasions outgeared. We didn't really even get serious about siege until about a month ago. For those first two weeks, we tore through the competition and were unbeaten for 2 weeks straight. Once our score got us on par with guilds of our skill level, the record leveled off to where it is now. Are we any less powerful of a guild becuase we are no longer undefeated? No. It just means that we are now matched up with somewhat equally powerful opponents. So just becuase you are undefeated and we are not, you cannot make the assertion that you belong in our class. Just like I cannot say unequivacally you do not belong in our class since you have not faced any of the top quilds. It is what it is.

I hope you can realize that no one is saying you are not part of a good siege guild. However I do find it suspect that you are dodging the question of what guild you are in. Its safe to say that the Siege War points system will be reset whenever it comes out of Beta, so do yourself a favor and stop whining about a moot point. Enjoy siege for what it is. All you are doing now is making yourself look like a whiny child. Look at the bright side, I'm sure by mowing through your opponents that you are reaping some pretty serious badges and spoils of war.

Of course if you are dead set on being in a top 25 siege guild, either go join one or start a new guild. If your Guild is as uber as you say, it should take no time at all to level up a new castle.

Also, if you want to post here some details about the number of players and their gear that you bring to siege, I'm sure the community would give you an idea of where you would fit in agains tthe top 25 guilds.

Quoted from "remilafo;336050"

He play on Palenque anyways, i read his post history and he never actually reveals his chracter or guild. However he almost lets it go in these posts.

http://forum.us.runesofmagic.com/showthr…0288#post320288

http://forum.us.runesofmagic.com/showthr…7944#post327944

I can't see any quild from Planeque breaking the top 10 anytime soon. Nothing against the players that play there or their skill level, but the server is just too new and the number of top end players there is nowhere near that of any of the other servers. I started a toon on that server and the quality of the gear and stats on the AH is nowhere near that of the older servers.

Duke pretty much finished whatever I would have said in response to mitchelhein.

I'm going to wager that his guild is just barely out of the zero-point bracket, because there is a guild from Palenque with 18 points and a 14-0 record: Benevolent.

As far as Palenque guilds in general: There was one that put up a fight: Nerfed. They seem to have vanished, however.

Quoted

But yeah, thanks for mentioning the names of your threats tho.. I'll make sure to take them out first next siege - right after I kill their healer of course

WOOT! It's on... I not that easy to kill, 60K HP (I can buff up to 79K) and two immunities! Bring it!


And YEAH! my photo server is back!

Quoted from "remilafo;336073"

WOOT! It's on... I not that easy to kill, 60K HP (I can buff up to 79K) and two immunities! Bring it!


And YEAH! my photo server is back!

LETS DUEL RIGHT NOW.. 1v1 arena. queue up.. go naked!!

Quoted from "mitchellhein;336045"

Nobody worth mentioning...
We don't have enough points to be anyone worth noticing.
We must have gotten all of our wins off guilds who weren't trying to win.
...and we all know that points are more important than ability or wins.

How could I have been so blind?

Nice to see Covenant break the top 50.
They were a zero point guild a month and a half ago.
It'll be interesting to see how well they do against all of you.
I already know how we did against them.

Assuming you are in Benevolent as our crack detectives have figured out, I did a little research. Over the last 10 sieges that you participated in, your oppenents had a combined record of 56-67-9 since the site started keeping W/L records. So that means you have a 100% win rate against guilds that only won 45.5% of their sieges. Only two of the guilds you faced had winning records. This would indicate to me that you are being paired up with guilds that you greatly overpower and that your record is not indicative of your skill as a guild. In short, you are facing cupcakes.

Now lets look at Superbad, the #10 guild currently. We are 6-4 over our last 10 sieges but the guilds we have faced have an overall record of 100-54-3, or a winning percentage of 64.9%. So even though your guild has a better W/L record, it is clear that we are facing a better opponent each and every night than Benevolent is. This is why using to W/L record to determine guild rank is absurd. It ignores the quality of the oppnents you face. Let's put this in real world terms. Let's say I am a professional heavyweight boxer with a W/L record of 10-10 on the profesional circuit. I decide I want to have a better record so I switch to fighting flyweight amatuers in the 12 to 13 year old age bracket and I go undefeated 20-0. Does that mean I am now on par with the top professional heavyweights just becuase I now have an undefeated record? No. Record is irrelevant unless the compeition is a constant.

Is the current ranking system broken? Yes
Would I like to see if fixed? Yes

You deserve kudos for going 14-0, but is that reason enough to claim that you are a top siege guild? No.

Ragnarok did not start with zero points. I think that us and Pandemic are the only uberguilds (top 5, Shadow Casters does not have uberguild status yet) that started with points.

I know, that portion of the discussion has fallen by the wayside, but I just wanted to clear it up.

Superbad got paired up with Chimera 3/4 days in a row of them signing up because they took breaks...

chimera is on a 16+ win streak (started before site went up) and we have fought every top guild in the US at least once. So jsut from unlucky pairings Superbad's W/L record got a big hole in it even though they are actually quite good from what we saw in the third round when they actually showed up. =p

Also you tried earlier to comment on Rashira's post that listed guilds that started in the 0 bug but are now top 10 by making a comment that 90% of the names listed must be rubbish by trying to use Rashira's number which is just dumb because he listed the names of people that obviously fell into the 10%

Also I would like to say lets end all this rubbish talk about top 25 cause the way I see it no offense to other guilds but where real siege actually starts is top 10 everything else is just bleh... fun but bleh.

I am all for a point reset to get more guilds to play in higher ranks so we are not killing the same people every other day but judging PURELY off of w/l number is just ridicules. I believe awhile ago it was Darkprophets that had raised up to a 12-13/0 W/L record cause I was watching them as the only other guild with a perfect record in the top 50... but do I think they would even stand a chance against any guild in the top 10? of course not. I am not saying the point system is perfect cause just look at Superbad which should have a much higher point total then it does but W/L rating is not a better method without looking at the guilds you fight.


PS @ Rashira: Chimera is a fairly new guild that split from Fearless (much of which is now Insomnia which much of which quit and formed Syndicate) so as a result our guild was made after the 0 point glitch was fixed

Quoted from "Rashira34;336070"

Duke pretty much finished whatever I would have said in response to mitchelhein.

I'm going to wager that his guild is just barely out of the zero-point bracket, because there is a guild from Palenque with 18 points and a 14-0 record: Benevolent.

As far as Palenque guilds in general: There was one that put up a fight: Nerfed. They seem to have vanished, however.

If that person is in that guild, then they must only be discussing the winning streak since Typha started keeping records - because we beat them before, pre-top50 website.

It is frustrating being stuck in zero-land...I don't know that we'd get much higher than the 1500-2000 range personally, but I'd like to settle there and have challenging/fun sieges every night! :p

I also understand what you guys are saying and I would concur...aside from about 3-5 guilds, we rarely ever have a decent/equal matchup. Most are 1-3 people show up or they're below lvl 50 or barely out of HOTO gear. So no, I don't think a winning streak in the zero bracket equates to win/loss streaks in the top 20 bracket.

That's the whole idea here. If they reset the points, and gave everyone a blank 1000 to start with, the fighting would happen, the dust clouds would fly, and people would settle in to their proper places.

As it is now, those of us who are in our proper places, (with one glaring exception- only a matter of time before that is fixed, though), will fight a tough siege every night, while those people who are not will steamroll or be steamrolled.

You may be a 1500 point guild stuck at zero points- but the vast majority of those stuck at 0 points are NOT 1500-pt. caliber- so MOST of the time you will steamroll people. So MOST of your wins don't count, and there is no way to know which ones do.

That's all we're saying. Possibly you are a top 25, we cannot claim otherwise just because you're stuck down there. The odds are, however, that you're not.

And merely because you've gone 14-0 against guilds that are also down there does not automatically make you top 25.

@shadowlit: I agree, and I see a huge difference between the top 5 and the rest as well. Though there are guilds in the top 25 that always give us a good fight, (Tribe comes to mind).

Good siege Ragnarok.

The lag however, was bloody horrible.

I wonder what would have happened if we hadn't lost herald at the 25-min mark- you guys having herald and us not having one was pretty huge- think we could have made a push and turned a tie into the win.

My epic fail was the reason we didn't win tonight (all things considered, we got lucky that I didn't crash). If I hadn't screwed up the strategy for our last push on Hilot, we might have been able to take the tower. Sadly, I did, and we didn't.

Oh well. Good fight to you, look forward to the next one.

Quoted from "mitchellhein;335697"

Thanks for that.

One problem with my posts here is that I tend to come off as a whiner. However, there's really no other way to address this topic without giving that impression. I'm really not that way.

I would love nothing more than being allowed to play a top 20 guild, kick them all over the map, and have someone say, "You're ranked 248 out of 260??? WTF!!!" I know we would compete at that level. We have the gear, the teamwork, and the knowledge. Anyone who has played us would tell you that.

We all look for validation. After more than three months, we've got a half-dozen Vanguard Field Marshals, and field at least 20+ people every single night. However, we're still not getting any points... and the sheer number of guilds getting dumped in over us at 1000 points makes for a tough swim upstream.

We'll need to continue to climb one or two points at a time for weeks, before we finally land anyone with more than 30 or 40 points. Maybe a year from now, we'll finally get to the point where a brand new guild gets to start (nowadays).

...and that's a depressing prospect for an ambitious guild.
(obscure Monty Python reference)

If you are an ambitious guild looking to fight the top 20, you should make a new guild. That is all. If your guild is called "bob", make a guild called "bobsrevenge" or "bob2.0", or even "steve". Farm Wodjin, Blind Hackman and Griffith Blackstar in all 3 zones for guild runes. Make Castle. Sign up for siege with 1000 points. Profit.

Any arguments like "but but, we have a rich heritage with our guild name" or " we have been "bob" for over a year now and refuse to bow down to a crappy siege point system" are just excuses. Let me put it another way : If Chimera were suddenly stripped of our points tomorrow, and placed in the 0 bracket with no points , WE WOULD REFORM IMMEDIATELY AND CALL OURSELVES "CHIMREAOWNSBOB" , and be back in the top 10 in a week or two. The End.


Oh and I almost forgot: If you did do the above mentioned reform, and then get /facerolled by the top guilds, there's nothing stopping you all from leaving and going back to "bob" and fighting in the lower brackets again.

Quoted from "remilafo;336043"

im a sad panda! my photo server is down so im only going to be able to answer you with text!

Anyways Thanks for the compliment, Superbad is a upcoming top-end guild. Our siege success has been due to all members ofcourse and i think we have a decent strategy, it's a nice mix of starcraft and FPS mentality IMO.

As for Kannouchou: As my co-leader (Garbageday) describe he is quite literally a loose cannon as he is not on vent and has always been a "lone Wolf" kind of personality, he is also very Powerful in terms of gear so he is a dangerous opponent. We will speak with him regarding the No Cool-down shot trick.

However ......

A single Scout (a reckless one at that) with no Healer even if he is dangerously geared is still taken down easily. The battlefield scores support this as Kannouchou is rarely in the Top 5 for kills. I find it strange you point him out when other members such as Garbageday (S/W), thornmaiden (S/Wn), Elementalgod (M/P) and Rexxorr (W/K) are by far more dangerous since they usually don;t go in without me or another healer backing them up.

Thanks for talking to him Xerise. I know this has already been cleared up, but just for your own information, Kannouchou had as many kills as everyone else in Superbad combined that night, we take note of those things. Garbageday is a skilled player and it showed, but Kannou didn't have to be skilled. When he popped his buffs/pots he just /tab /shot killed 2-3 people in 10 seconds.People with very good gear. It's an exploit that made him more dangerous than anyone else on your team, not his skill.

Quoted from "Xavory;336277"

Thanks for talking to him Xerise. I know this has already been cleared up, but just for your own information, Kannouchou had as many kills as everyone else in Superbad combined that night, we take note of those things. Garbageday is a skilled player and it showed, but Kannou didn't have to be skilled. When he popped his buffs/pots he just /tab /shot killed 2-3 people in 10 seconds.People with very good gear. It's an exploit that made him more dangerous than anyone else on your team, not his skill.

if it makes you feel any better, Kanuunchu was with Pandemic last night. Guess who Superbad's oppnent was? You guessed it, Pandemic.

Quoted from "DukeoNuke;336287"

if it makes you feel any better, Kanuunchu was with Pandemic last night. Guess who Superbad's oppnent was? You guessed it, Pandemic.

Its a shame really. its gonna be a sad day for him when they fix the exploit

No more killing 100k hp 100k pdef tanks in one second!!

=D