Runes of Magic US / AU

I had to smile that our guild has beaten two of the guilds on this list, but we're still not on it. We beat those guilds when they still had zero points, and as a result, we got no points for those victories. To date, we still have zero points, still roll guilds night after night, and still aren't worthy (in Runewaker's code) to be noticed.

This suits us just fine.

I doubt we would beat any of the top 10 guilds, but I guarantee we belong in the top 50. So, keep an eye open for that no-name guild from Palenque. We might just rock your world...

As an aside to all your hard work, you might also consider keeping track of win-loss totals. I think that publishing those as well might be a better indication than the current "haves" and "have-nots" points system.

Quoted from "Rashira34;329747"

Pandemic has not merced. They merely have such a large guild that most people assumed they were.

Now, they have gone out and given their services to other guilds. So has Impen. But we nor they have ever *accepted* mercenaries to fight for us, so while we may have messed up another guild's points by a small margin, ours are unaffected.

Considering that the fellow telling you they merced is actually on Artemis in opposition to yourself being on Grimdal, I'm inclined to go with the home team on this one. No insult, just, you know, first-hand info rocks.

That brings me to the "Who Cares?!" portion. Mercing was a part of the game, now it's not, who cares who did what? The point system has been screwed from day one, but it's slowly been balancing out as the cream rises to the top. It all balances out in the long run. Let's put these wild merc chases to rest.

Quoted from "Satiar;329761"

That brings me to the... cream.

ti-satiar you perv

but this is awesome... I'd love to keep checking on this every so often.

Quoted from "MegaMouseSEC;329569"

Since mercing has been effectively stopped

Odd, everytime we face an Osha(?) guild, we always see Vegasqueen and Microchip... they must have figured out a way around it. Probably they have no guild, so the 1 hour cool-down doesn't bother them, or they just don't mind being out of their guild for a few hours per day, idk.

Edit: Sorry to ingore the OP.. @OP - Great job!

Another suggestion, instead of having a 3 day inactive queue kick, perhaps have all guilds show, but then have a column for days inactive.

Example
Impenetrable, Grimdal, 15,000 (approx) points, 0 wins, 0 losses, 0 ties, 4 days inactive

That way, we get a better snapshot of all guilds with points.

Something else for further down the line, have sortable columns, to include multiple column sorting.

Example
Sort all guilds by points (highest to lowest) then by days inactive (lowest to highest), which will then show the ranks for all active guilds at the top, then guilds with 1 day inactive, then guilds with 2 days inactive, etc etc.

I know it might be a pain to do, but perhaps maintain a database of the top 75, so that it's easier to interchange the guilds in the 40s range. Another added bonus is that you can "hide" inactive guilds in the overall rankings, and bring the 51-75 up to fill in the gap at the bottom.

Example
10 of the top 50 guilds are "inactive" (e.g. haven't sieged in 3 days or more). "Hide Inactive" option removes those 10 guilds from the rankings and brings guilds 51-60 up to 41-50 (assuming they are all active).

Well if he adds all that, why not put in *'s so he can post down the bottom this guild or that guild used mercs or what's worse then mercs is the exploits Impenatrable(spelling? well we all know who I am talking about) has used and still use, heard the GM's were suspose to sit in on their siege, no wonder they quit signing up but hey, that was just a rumor, not sure if it was true or not, just something I heard other day and next thing ya know, they quit signing up for siege, go figure.

add this add that


add how many times Tiduz dies in sieges.. GO GO!

Quoted from "wishblades;329918"

Well if he adds all that, why not put in *'s so he can post down the bottom this guild or that guild used mercs or what's worse then mercs is the exploits Impenatrable(spelling? well we all know who I am talking about) has used and still use, heard the GM's were suspose to sit in on their siege, no wonder they quit signing up but hey, that was just a rumor, not sure if it was true or not, just something I heard other day and next thing ya know, they quit signing up for siege, go figure.

Every single guild that we have shadowstepped into the castle has either
A) Been someone standing on the top, where the Rogue can clearly see him/her and which has not been labeled as an exploit, (Icarii only said it was one through the gate itself, i.e. through a solid object) or
B) Healed the gate using healers, which is worse of an exploit, and so they deserved it or
C) Shot at us through the gate, which is just as bad of an exploit.

You cannot tell us not to use a feature of the game when every guild that we've played against exploits using either B or C. We are simply ending the siege sooner than an hour, because otherwise with two decent healers, you can keep the entire guild out for the whole time. We have better things to do than fight a WWII-Japanese-style opposing guild. They know they're beat, so why don't they stop healing the gate and dragging this out, is generally the comments in Ventrilo before we send the rogues in.

And no, the GMs are not sitting in on our siege. At least, that was not the reason why we stopped signing up. We were... having a discussion. It is now over.

I can tell you that when Chimera fought Impenetrable they were the most fair guild I have ever seen not one even hint of trying to cheat like certain other guilds that we have to protect the inside of our castle against in the first 5 minutes so they don't exploit in... also I think healing the gates is fine they just need to scale healing down just as much as damage is scaled down otherwise its just pointless.

Quoted from "shadowlit;329971"

I can tell you that when Chimera fought Impenetrable they were the most fair guild I have ever seen not one even hint of trying to cheat like certain other guilds that we have to protect the inside of our castle against in the first 5 minutes so they don't exploit in... also I think healing the gates is fine they just need to scale healing down just as much as damage is scaled down otherwise its just pointless.

That is only because there was no exploiting going on on your end.

If we had got to your castle, (to my knowledge, we did not, the entire fight was back and forth across the middle), and people starting healing the gate and shooting through the wall, we'd've shadowstepped through in a heartbeat.

Quoted from "Rashira34;329944"

B) Healed the gate using healers, which is worse of an exploit, and so they deserved it or

And when have they expressly said that healing gates is an exploit, to justify you shadowstepping? Or are you just on cocaine?

Look at it this way mate. If they can:

Heal the gates at a range no one can attack them at.
Shoot through gates and walls.

I will:

Shadowstep in to try to take them out.

Simple as that. When you're easily holding up 3 gates with one priest (EASILY doable), don't whine that someone snuck in to take a shot at you.

Quoted from "Satiar;330218"

Look at it this way mate. If they can:

Heal the gates at a range no one can attack them at.
Shoot through gates and walls.

I will:

Shadowstep in to try to take them out.

Simple as that. When you're easily holding up 3 gates with one priest (EASILY doable), don't whine that someone snuck in to take a shot at you.

Or you can stop crying like a little girl about an intended mechanic, and then use the + building / gate / tower damage upgrade. Then you can use siege engines, also an intended mechanic, to break the gates.

I won't cry, I'll just do ...it seems you're the one currently with the tears over this, not me.

And siege engines don't work. Any half-decent scout or mage can take them out so fast it's not even funny. That's why in siege we never really bother getting inside the Castle anymore, unless the other guild really ticked us off. We'd much rather fortify and sit on the towers than waste the effort getting into a castle with Siege Engines that die instantly, or get called cheaters for shadowstepping in.

Really not worth the effort with some of you people

Siege engines = die in 5 seconds solo from any scout + can not be healed + can still be out-healed by 1 geared priests. I do thing there needs to be some way to repair gates either through a special item that you must be out of combat to go use on gate like after you kill off the offending guild or have them slowly regen hp when not being hit or just scale down heals on gates. Also there needs to be some way to repair the siege engines as they just die way to fast even with maxed out of every buff for them.

But ya as it stands it is pointless even trying to break into the enemy castle unless you solidly have every tower within 30 minutes.

Can we please try to keep this to the top 50 site discussion and not who cheats/why SW is broken.
The forums mod will close this if people start getting out of hand with the comments.
As Typha has stated in OP

Quoted

Disclaimer: With all the exploits, queing and general lagginess of siege wars, this list is just that... A list. I'm aware that there are alot of excellent quilds that get screwed out of making this list because of the above mentioned reasons. I really, really, really hope Frogster can convince Runewhatever to actually fix one of the funnest aspects of this game. This is NOT the place to voice your hatred of siege wars in their current form. There are plenty of other threads for that.

Very nice job, Happy to see my Guild on that list.

However, until the cheaters/exploit and hackers are stopped this list will never be in true form. I know for a fact that some of the top guilds on the list do all the above, Even have SS/Video of them doing so, and confessions BY THEIR OWN guild members. So you can jump up and down and scream you play fair, but I for fact know differently. Not going to name the names of these guilds because YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

I do not care if my guild wins or loses, BUT I can promise you that we will play a fair and honest fight each and every time. Anyone caught using cheats or Hacks in my guild is g/kicked faster then they can blink. If you are cheating in a game, well I feel sorry for you because honestly it shows what kind of person you really are.

Quoted from "welshde;330157"

I just added a full guild list.

After adding a much improved data entry back-end, I can now enter every guild in the same amount of time that it used to take me to enter the top 50.

I also love the idea of hiding inactive guilds. The rumor is, frogster is only allowing X number of guilds to siege per night to keep siege performance *mostly* stable. Does anyone know if Frogster is still using a queue for siege wars? Hopefully we can get a nod from someone in the know.

I guess for now we can all agree on 5 straight days of inactivity before removal or the option to hide?? What are the odds of being kicked from a queue 5 days straight?

Thanks for all the recommendations, btw. Keep em coming.

I can confirm that queuing is still going on as of right now. sigh. I forgot to sign us up this morning and even though it's only 5pm est, I am getting the stupid "full" msg. Tonight was the night we were gonna get points, I can feel it!