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Wednesday, February 2nd 2011, 4:12am

Sounds like a nice idea, though while I'm for being able to "call someone out" for exploiting or hacking it's extremely difficult to prove.

And a guild could be tainted simply by having one of their members frapsed while lagging, something beyond their control (most of the time)

I'm all for the "trophies" notion however. :D (couldn't do this when TBT hit 20 in siege could you? :p)

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Wednesday, February 2nd 2011, 4:24am

The lagging thing is exactly why we probably wont implement it for the live T50 server till SW is in a more stable and less lag prone stat (if that ever happens..) but it is something we want to have.
We Know there are a few dishonorable guilds out there who openly use outside programs or known exploits ( staying logged in forever to cause the porting) to gain the upper hand, and while yes, it is incredibly hard to prove, if we've got 10+ guilds calling foul on the same guild and its all for the same thing and they can present some sort of proof supporting the claim, I'd say thats a pretty good argument.
But again our site and the proposed function are entirely dependent on the communities willingness to come and post.
and hey, thats why we're putting in the achievement system (hope to bring more people to the site!)

as far as the trophies:
It's something we've wanted to do for a while but with our wedding coming and the armory it just kept getting shoved to the bottom of our list. we will probably do some sort of retroactive system for the trophies (since we do have all the data from back in august or when ever it was we started this thing)
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Wednesday, February 2nd 2011, 4:31am

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if we've got 10+ guilds calling foul on the same guild and its all for the same thing and they can present some sort of proof supporting the claim, I'd say thats a pretty good argument.


Agreed, it's probably that my reluctance toward it stems from the fact that I'm working toward a Criminal Justice degree :D

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Wednesday, February 2nd 2011, 4:38am

I don't want any one to think we'd just start flagging guilds left and right, it would be something discussed by the t50 community prior to doing so.

But I do get where you're coming from.
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Wednesday, February 2nd 2011, 4:41am

Also you possibly have an occasion where one or another guilds was exploiting at the beginning of the fight, say by having a hmm, well, let's say a Scout/Warden running into the castle and destroying the processing factory, and another guild, say, used something like, hmm, hypothetically speaking here, PK bubbles as a defense, though they didn't.. well, let's say they didn't use those bubbles to win the fight. However, let's say, hypothetically speaking, that the first guild mentioned posted a video of the second part of the siege only. It would seem that the second guild was exploiting without reason- since you're missing the first part of the story.

I think you see where I'm going with this. Multiple witnesses to a guild's exploiting should be a must- multiple witnesses as in multiple, (3, at least) guilds calling them out with videos/pictures.
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Thursday, February 3rd 2011, 8:52pm

Flags for exploits in SW-Top 50

I, for one, do think the idea is sound, but working out how to establish proof is going to be the nub. Just checked the screenshots ROM makes for us, for example, and those do not include any kind of time/stamp detail within the image file itself. It is reflected in the date/time stamp for the file on my system and (maybe) in that string of code in the filename. At least, that's my assumption as to what some of that stuff means. Being Devil's Advocate here, that could easily be altered to show anything.
Just looked into my own screen recording program and - at least from what I can see - I don't see an option to get it to include some kind of time/stamp info into the capture itself. Putting that on my to-do list to look into, as that's one way of addressing this issue. Then again, darn near anything can be faked if one tries hard enough. That would be where multiple reports must be required.
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Friday, February 4th 2011, 6:24pm

Why is it that we need a timestamp?
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Friday, February 4th 2011, 6:51pm

Or you could establish some simple "rules" or "guidelines" that when crossed equals = cheating.

These could include:

Flying
Treacheries under my bridge (looking at you, T******)
PK protection bubble (not a hack, but that's straight out exploiting)
Etc

Things like that, that cannot be explained by lag. A few screenshots of stuff like that could be an automatic "sentence" as a cheating/exploiting guild, unless their guild leader or officers steps up and speaks out to apologize/correct the situation.

And considering there are guilds in this game, that when asked, reply, "Sure we hack. It's just part of siege," I feel this is a needed feature. At least people know they're gonna get hack-rolled.

But then that's just me :)
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Saturday, February 5th 2011, 8:31pm

As per my previous example, what about guilds that counter-exploit?

For example, I consider shadow-stepping through the gate to be an exploit. I also consider shooting through it to be an exploit.

For the sake of argument, let's say we agreed to both of those things.

Are we allowed to shadow-step in if someone is shooting out? Or do we just have to take it, and then say, yah, we lost, they were exploiting. But hey! We didn't exploit back!

This is tricky to implement. Satiar's idea, for a set of rules that are agreed upon, combined with multiple witnesses could work- but then you'd have to get the community to agree upon a set of rules. (Honestly, this is doing Frogster's job for them, IMO.)
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Saturday, February 5th 2011, 10:24pm

Thanks for all the comments, concerns and suggestions so far guys.
We would never implement a system that the community didn't think was far so please keep it all coming!
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Wednesday, February 16th 2011, 10:29am

The Top-50 site hasn't seen any actual programming love in a long long time so I've decided to shift my focus over to that site and implement some updates and changes where needed.

And here are the first of many to come. Stay tuned...


UPDATE:

- List purging due to inactivity has been increased from 4 days to 6.

-Deleted the 'ZERO Bracket' Button. (for obvious reasons)

-The site is now 'smart' enough to remember which index screen you were in when backing out of the guild page. More on this below.


Previously, if you went to the 'all guilds' button and selected a guild way down on the list and then hit back on your browser you would be sent to the 'Top-50' list instead of the 'All Guilds' list. Which meant you had to press on the 'all guilds' button and scroll way down the list again to get back to where you were.

If you were in a guild down around 150ish in rank and wanted to see a few of the guilds around you in preparation for siege, the site required a lot of click spam.

Well, no more. Hitting back from any guilds siege history page will place you back at whichever previous page you came from.
Siege War TOP-50 Site
http://dawn-treaders.info/sw/
The Armory Site
http://www.rom-armory.com/

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Thursday, February 17th 2011, 7:30am

Another day, another update. This one is pretty neat if you are into nostalgia.

The credit for this particular update goes to Koravel (Fudgebus) on Grimdal. Thanks again for suggesting this on the Top-50 forums.

=)

UPDATE:

- Added the ability to see the siege rankings for any particular day from when the Top-50 started to the present date.


Here's how it works:

A date has been added to the ranking list for both the Top-50 and All Guilds lists. This date (yellow box in pic) is the date of the rankings currently being listed.


(...the good ol days.)

You'll also notice the single, double and tripple arrows on each side of the date. You can use those to scrub the date forward and backward by 1, 7 and 30 days. Mousing over them will give a tooltip as to how many days you will jump forward or backward in the timeline.


Enjoy!

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http://dawn-treaders.info/sw/
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http://www.rom-armory.com/

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Sunday, February 20th 2011, 8:47am

The Top-50 Site will be on the fritz for an hour or so while I move its now massive database to a better host.

UPDATE: Swap complete. Site is back up.
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Sunday, February 20th 2011, 9:26am

UPDATE:

-Moved the database "off-site" to better accommodate remote administration. Unfortunately the speed of the new database is a little slower that the previous one. I had to give up some speed for more administrative freedom due to the database growing to well over 100k entries. It shouldn't be too horrible though.

-Added a "7-Day" Win/Loss/Tie toggle for both the top-50 and All-Guilds categories. More on this below.


The dynamics of any guild will change from week to week as people come and go, so knowing their all time win/loss record isn't all that helpful so far as siege war is concerned. Its much better to have a guilds 7 - 14 day win/loss record to see how dominant they are in their current bracket.

I've added code to the Top-50 server that calculates 7 and 14 day win/loss records. Unfortunately, my in-house server is currently working on the 14 day win/loss records so I've only enabled 7 day until its done crunching numbers.

Heres how it works:

The site "should" default to showing its usual all-time win/loss records. To switch it to 7-day win/loss simply click on any of the pictured yellow areas. Easy as that. To switch it back to all-time, simply click it again.



Enjoy,
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Siege War TOP-50 Site
http://dawn-treaders.info/sw/
The Armory Site
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Thursday, February 24th 2011, 3:40am

Hey, is it cool that we post on here? I think the site is great and i use it a lot.

I also wanted to say that some info though is wrong. Yesterday our guild tied in sw but it listed us as we won. Though that is good it still is wrong.

Again, great site!!

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Thursday, February 24th 2011, 4:07am

Map props for all the work. Amazing. Makes me want to break out my IDE and find a reason to graph stuff again.
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Thursday, February 24th 2011, 3:26pm

Quoted from "kingzamorak;392299"

Hey, is it cool that we post on here? I think the site is great and i use it a lot.

I also wanted to say that some info though is wrong. Yesterday our guild tied in sw but it listed us as we won. Though that is good it still is wrong.

Again, great site!!


All our info is parsed directly from the client. as such any info on the site is reported however the client reports it. The client has been known to list win/loss/tie results improperly.

Because of this some info may show as inaccurate, but there isn't a whole lot we can do about it until the SW engine is more stable and out of beta.

Posting in this thread is also fine, we do however have a forum for the site the button for those forums can be found on the main T50 page.
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Saturday, March 5th 2011, 7:36am

A small update today but one that is kinda neat.

UPDATE:

-added a "Hall of Fame" section to the site that shows the highest scoring and most dominant guilds since the TOP-50 site began.


This was a pretty simple update. I've always wondered how, historically, all the top guilds in siege war stacked against each other in regard to the apex of each guilds siege history.

Well... Here it is.

The first thing that struck me about this list is how few guilds have broken the 9k bracket in siege war.

Only 9 guilds (out of 854) have achieved a 9k+ score.

Here are a few other interesting tidbits about the HoF list:

-Guilds on the Artemis server make up more than half the 9k+ brackets.

-The HoF top 3 have more combined points than the current top 10 actively sieging guilds. (97068 -vs- 89859)

-The only server not represented on the HoF is Palenque. (Although Benevolent came very close with 4986 points)


Anyhoo, I hope someone finds this useful/entertaining.
Siege War TOP-50 Site
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Saturday, March 5th 2011, 8:00am

I'm assuming you still plan on adding the "holding Rank #1", "win/loss ratio" and other HoF trophies originally discussed? Just in the future.

BTW, great job on the site.
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Sunday, March 6th 2011, 7:44am

Quoted from "rotomax;395977"

I'm assuming you still plan on adding the "holding Rank #1", "win/loss ratio" and other HoF trophies originally discussed? Just in the future.

BTW, great job on the site.


Yep It's all still coming.

We've just been trying to wire down how we want the system to work. Currently the only system in (Hall of Fame) auto updates and checks it's self each night we input data into the system.

the trophy images are currently done but blank so we are part of the way there.
I don't really have an ETA on when the others will come, so I am sorry about that.
Here is some teaser art for the trophies:
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