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Pending a win in tonights siege will go from top 200 guilds into the top 50 in a week. Granted wish we had better opposition in some of them but none the less there wins. Take all we can get and try diff strats as we gain on the top 20.

Quoted from "missjeanny31;335564"

Pending a win in tonights siege will go from top 200 guilds into the top 50 in a week. Granted wish we had better opposition in some of them but none the less there wins. Take all we can get and try diff strats as we gain on the top 20.

Don't take this the wrong way, but as evidenced by Dawntreaders and Darkanimus, the competition once you get into the 1800 point range starts to improve dramatically. I'd be surprised to see Tainted Blood crack the top 25. Wanted will make top 10 once they get up here.

Covenant VP here. Honestly, fights have been so lopsided lately, that I really hope for some challenges, or even loses. In our loses is where we have learned the most. Unfortunately, the lag and random crashes are going to become huge as we continue to move up the charts and is a big concern to me. Not much that can be done, as SW is still in "BETA" .

BTW was fun watching Ragno war Wanted last night, though it was a bit one sided. Actually learned a few tactics. Thanx for the show.

Quoted from "Warhead42;335584"

Don't take this the wrong way, but as evidenced by Dawntreaders and Darkanimus, the competition once you get into the 1800 point range starts to improve dramatically.

Hmmm?

Heh, I'm in DA - and although I know I should really play scout in PvP, I stick with Warden. There's not a lot of us. /grin

Getting swarmed in siege, along with dealing with tons of towers - eye opener, plus the other team (Kabal from Govinda) was very organized. Nice job - was still fun, though.

Quoted from "shadowlit;333948"

From what I have seen top 50 really is not much of an accomplishment (still nice for the ego for a starting guild) and when playing its really about getting over certain point hurdles mainly 1400 and 2000 but really its the top 6 that is the hard part to break...

I also believe that the top 50 list really doesn't mean that much, as it is currently implemented.

Our guild is 13-0 since the Dawn Treaders site started up... yet we're ranked in the bottom 5% of all guilds. Since our guild originally began sieging, we have won over 100 matches and have less than a dozen losses... yet, all we have to show for it is 17 points.

As I look at it today, there are 113 guilds with more losses than wins who are listed above our guild in the "rankings". TWELVE of those guilds "above us" have 10 losses or more in that same timeframe. Think about that... in the last two weeks we haven't lost one match. Those twelve guilds ranked above us lost more than three-quarters of their matches. These point rankings are bogus.

You've got Nightsong (10), at 6 wins, 9 losses... and both Covenant (61) and Wanted (231) at 14 wins and zero losses. Wouldn't it be interesting to see how a week's worth of matches between those teams would show who's the better sieging guild? I know our guild would froth at the mouth for an opportunity like that. Free points.

If there was a ranking that sorted by Loss (ascending), Win (descending), Points (descending), then our guild is ranked 5th out of all guilds. To me, that's the list we look at when the pairings come out. I want to know how many matches our opponents have won (and against whom). That's the list that means something to us.

Bitter? Well, maybe just a bit. It's a tough pill to swallow when we hear about all these great guilds we aren't allowed to compete against. At this rate, it'll be another month or two before we finally get to 1000... where most new guilds get to start for free.

EDIT: The actual list we use to size up our opponent is: Wins minus Losses (descending), Points (descending)... and then we look to see who they beat, and who beat them.

Or.....you can work your way up like the rest of us?

Legacy started with 0 siege points, and we did months of sieges without a single loss until we finally got pitted against someone with points and started rising.

I know it's frustrating getting stuck so low, but it'll happen. I'm sure time will prove your mettle.

Man that war with Rag was fun...very good strat, you got us there lol.

Siege was last night was epic fun too, we got TB; most fun I've had in siege to date. If every siege was like that, ROM would have something amazing on it's hands. As it stands, having everyone d/c halfway thru with crippling lag kind of hinders the fun. :/

Quoted from "Satiar;335661"

Or.....you can work your way up like the rest of us?

It's the "like the rest of us" that is hard to swallow. It's NOT "like the rest of us" any more. We could roll a brand new guild tonight, and rise 160 places in the standings... we'd be in the top 100 with 1000 points. If we won, we'd be in 68th place.

Legacy may have had to grind up from zero points, but with fewer guilds, there was a better chance to land a match against an opponent with points. Nowadays, with 326 guilds in siege, these's too few points for a zero point guild to ever get out of the dungeon. The point pool is too shallow. Any match won against a guild with 9 points or less gets you nothing at all.

Right now, there are 38 guilds ranked ahead of ours (on the list) with a combined record of 117 losses, 20 ties, and ZERO wins. During that same timeframe, we are undefeated.

My observation that the "ranking by points is bogus" still stands. It might tell you something about the top 10 (or so)... but it's completely useless for anyone else.

Sorry mate, that first sentence of mine was probably nastier than I wanted it to sound. The point was that alot of people were stuck at zero, but it changed in time.

I'm sure as soon as you guys slap down someone with some points, you'll rise very quickly.

Seriously, no offense was intended ..I tend to sound harsher than I mean :/

Quoted from "Satiar;335689"

I tend to sound harsher than I mean :/

pretty much.

But yeah, since this game is fubar in so many aspects, my guild also has to work our way up from 0 points (at like 400 or so now)

Why don't they just do a reset on the points?

Since it is in beta I would assume they are waiting till they get it running better and then we will see a point wipe and we will all get to start with 1000 points. This would fix lot of things without them having to really change any code.

So all this complaining is sorta pointless don't you think?

Then all you whom think you should be at the top will get your chance to
back up those words.

Look forward to killing all of you in siege.

Quoted from "Satiar;335689"

Seriously, no offense was intended ..I tend to sound harsher than I mean :/

Thanks for that.

One problem with my posts here is that I tend to come off as a whiner. However, there's really no other way to address this topic without giving that impression. I'm really not that way.

I would love nothing more than being allowed to play a top 20 guild, kick them all over the map, and have someone say, "You're ranked 248 out of 260??? WTF!!!" I know we would compete at that level. We have the gear, the teamwork, and the knowledge. Anyone who has played us would tell you that.

We all look for validation. After more than three months, we've got a half-dozen Vanguard Field Marshals, and field at least 20+ people every single night. However, we're still not getting any points... and the sheer number of guilds getting dumped in over us at 1000 points makes for a tough swim upstream.

We'll need to continue to climb one or two points at a time for weeks, before we finally land anyone with more than 30 or 40 points. Maybe a year from now, we'll finally get to the point where a brand new guild gets to start (nowadays).

...and that's a depressing prospect for an ambitious guild.
(obscure Monty Python reference)

Quoted from "Edmard;335693"

But yeah, since this game is fubar in so many aspects, my guild also has to work our way up from 0 points (at like 400 or so now)

I remember Legionnaires, when you were still at zero points.
You were a tough opponent. Clean players... no dirty pool.
... but we still beat ya.

Glad you made it out of the zero point "dungeon"...

Quoted from "welshde;335701"

I'm working on making the list a bit more user friendly. Every time I look at it I see room for improvement.

And, I should be clear... my frustration is only with the RoM points system.

Your site is awesome.
Your listing is fantastic.
The win-loss-tie information is incredibly helpful.

Thanks for putting in the effort!

Actually, I think that with the increased number of 1000 point guilds coming into the mix will actually IMPROVE your ability to get points.

As more guilds with points come in, inevitably some of those guilds will drop down into the under 200 points range. Also, the 0 points guilds will slowly build points, decreasing the number of 0 points guilds. As the number of 0 points guilds decreases, it's more likely for the remaining 0 points guilds to get matchups against guilds with points.

It's self correcting, eventually...however, it will likely take months to fully rectify itself.

Mitchellhein I can understand where your coming from and hopefully they will decide to reset the point values when they take siege off beta (as much as it will hurt me to see all our work fall away making us have to re-carve our way up although I am not sure you can just look at win/loss as you also have to look at the guilds that you are fighting as the majority of the guilds stuck in the 0 point hole are really not to great. If you look at chimera we have a flawless win streak but the part that makes me proud is looking at the guilds in the list of who we fight. I really can't wait for some of these good glitched point guilds to progress farther though cause as I see it know there are not to many guilds that put up a fight anymore.

Impenetrable/Rangarok/Pandemic/Legacy are really the only ones I can name and possibly Shadowcasters as well as I heard the bulk of Nightsong has moved to that guild but we have yet to siege with them. So hurry up and catch up so we can make the list of good fights grow. =3

Impenetrable also started at 0 points- we were bugged for a good two months.

You may have won your last 14 matches straight, and Nightsong may have gone 6-9 in that time, but look at WHO they played. The competition down near the bottom- 90% of those guilds aren't going to put up a fight, so wins mean little to nothing at that level.

The only advice I can give you is that if you ever do grab a guild with points, you bring everything at them. Once you get above 100 or so, it tends to rise faster.

@shadowlit: If you're referring to the Chimera/Impen siege last night when you say a good fight, that's not my definition of a good fight. That was purely a good old-fashioned a$$-kicking.

Quoted from "leiacat;335696"

Why don't they just do a reset on the points?

Since it is in beta I would assume they are waiting till they get it running better and then we will see a point wipe and we will all get to start with 1000 points. This would fix lot of things without them having to really change any code.

So all this complaining is sorta pointless don't you think?

Then all you whom think you should be at the top will get your chance to
back up those words.

Look forward to killing all of you in siege.

I'm assuming that once they have fixed all the bugs, (when pigs fly), then it will go out of beta and the points will be reset.

At least, I hope that's the case- and I'm speaking from the guild who has the most points.