Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "timthum;511458"

would be pretty hard to bot an instance wouldnt it?

Quoted from "AngelIsrafel;512172"

Quicker and easier solution?

Take out Guard Dogs all together.

Quoted from "AngelIsrafel;512172"

Quicker and easier solution?

Take out Guard Dogs all together.

Quoted from "grimoru;512189"

Or make the meat bound. Won't solve the bigger problem of botting, but fixing one issue at a time isn't a bad thing.

Quoted from "AngelIsrafel;512172"

Quicker and easier solution?

Take out Guard Dogs all together.

Quoted from "Myxril;513124"

I applaud your trolling. I'll label it as such, instead of an intellectual deficiency.

That being said, everything you've said has been nothing more than diverting focus from the topic; the topic of botters. Yes, they do exist. Stop deflecting with your current tactics. It doesn't change the fact that there -are- botters as well as gold sellers.
For you to tell the OPer to find other ways to make gold is completely moot. It doesn't matter how or why the OPer makes their gold how they do; what DOES matter is that there -are botters- that are breaking rules (ie; BOTTING) and most likely selling the gold for $ (also breaking the rules). Stop trolling and start discussing. It's becoming quite sad, and showing just how disinterested you are in helping someone bring this topic to the table as something serious to discuss.

To you it's; forget about botters, go make gold some other way. I wish a moderator would remove your posts from this as they're entirely effing irrelevant and are nothing more than an attempt to cause commotion with the original topic. If I were a betting man, I'd put gold on you either being a botter or buying from a botter/gold seller(who makes money from bot-farming).

Congrats. You're a troll. Wear it proudly.

Quoted from "Myxril;513124"

and most likely selling the gold for $ (also breaking the rules)

Quoted from "AngelIsrafel;513180"

...do you really have to stoop below the intelligence of a normal, rational human being and say to me that because of a satirical remark to a lengthy solution to the botting problem, I am a provider to botters?

Quoted from "AngelIsrafel"

When your ready to get the community to function as a single voice instead of a conglomerate of discombobulated idea's, call me and I'll take part in the Rom Revolution, until then, keep the repeated rants which have spanned these forums for years, off the forums unless you got a fix all solution that works every angle and can get the entire community to relinquish support to a single ideal.

Quoted from "AngelIsrafel;513180"

To make a quick point, clearly you never saw my second post, in which i addressed the completion of a solution regarding Botting not likely to arise due to the constant division of which direction people want the mods and game developers to take these projects in.

Quoted from "Myxril;513561"

Your attempt at insult makes me chuckle. I point out that your behavior toward the expression of this problem seems to favor the possibility of you supporting/being a botter/farmer... so now I'm below the intelligence of a normal, rational human being. Seems like I struck a nerve. Don't flatter yourself. to put it simply, I called you a moron for being clearly unable to notice sarcasm.


Or, you could stop trying to dictate what should be discussed and how it should be presented. Even though i provided a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why the division of the community is a factor in things not getting done. This whole section of quotage is a bit of a red herring. Don't put the idea off on me that I have to singularly manifest some way or method of focusing the voices of this complaint into one coherent stream to fire off at FEU/RW, and point at this idea as the reason why you're correct in trying to dictate what should or shouldn't be posted about. Clearly you don't remember the %mana costs that were implemented for about 2 days awhile back. The entire community rose up in outrage and it was taken out. Clearly the discombobulated thinking of the general community is not the same as a single, unified message and thus why the problems we have remain. I am not saying that people shouldn't post about the botting, I said that it was always going to be a problem and that the best solution for the OP is to find a new way to earn gold. The botters are a minor problem in comparison to everything else going on with the game and even at the height of their popularity weren't all that big of an issue.

Here's a counter-ultimatum: STFU or find a way to fix the problems yourself. I already have plenty of solutions to fix the problems at hand, many of which won't be implemented because FEU/RW doesn't really give a rats ass about this game anymore it seems. At this point is where you're post begins to fail more and more.

Or, maybe, just maybe, you could refrain from clouting a legit thread with your bullcrap. Yeah, i suppose the clear evidence that nearly nothing has been done about the botting problem means that the idea of people unifying their focus to botting is bullcrap. I applaud your cynical way of thinking. If you aren't going to chime in with ideas on how to fix the problem being discussed, then keep your frigging mouth shut. Again, something i have discussed in the form of a unified forum, instead of people like you trying to tout themselves over others because clearly they don't have a basic comprehension of simple English writing.Don't blow smoke about how this is posted about too much, or how you don't want to see so much discombobulation about it. Just don't. frigging. post. End of story. Contribute or STFU. So after repeating your point for the tenth time, "I don't understand what you posted so I am gonna rage until you stop posting!" is about what it looks like. Don't get all snarky about things before acknowledging the problem, then falling back on this acknowledgement as a reason why you can troll about things. I think this by itself is the most ultimate fail in this post. I know there is a problem with botting, i acknowledged it when i said, " its not likely that the botter problem will be dealt with or fixed any time soon." I'll break it down for you since you clearly can't read, mm'kay? "its not likely that (The likelihood of the next statement is not high, in fact it is quite low.) the botter problem (The problem that we are having with botters in all forms.) will be dealt with or fixed any time soon. (Will be addressed, discussed and fixed.)" In short, the likelihood of the problem we are having with botters is not likely to be fixed. Is that clear enough for you Skippy?

"Go make gold a different way. Wha? How dare I say that? But I acknowledged there's botters! Talk to me again when you fix this yourself!" <--- That's basically what just happened between you and me. Perhaps that idea was presented poorly. I didn't mean You as in YOU directly, it was more an address to You as in "all you on the forums" I suppose the little ~End unintentional rant~ didn't portray the clear message it was supposed to send that the last statement was directed at the entire community. You clouted the topic, I responded about it, then you try deflecting and reflecting. I really think your posts should be removed from this thread, and yourself locked from it. The feeling is mutual. You've disrupted the topic with your accusations of someone trolling when they are simply stating things as they are. The bots have not been dealt with and have been around for a LONG time. This is a clear indicator that this a problem on the back burner at FEU/RW. Because this problem is on the back burner, its not going to be fixed or addressed until everything preceding it is fixed. Because the problem won't be fixed, it's going to get more and more difficult to compete with the botters in specific areas. Because the competition with botters in specific area's is so high AND because they aren't going to be dealt with, the smartest solution is simply to move on to a new area instead of kicking a dead horse.

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All of your posts boiled down to telling the OP to find other ways to make gold and to ignore the botters. You also suggested removing the GDM from the game, as if IT was the problem and not the botters. And -I'M- the one who's lacking intelligence? I fart better ideas than you.

Quoted from "bratty;514222"

So your saying instead of getting the job at Home Depot you end up getting a job elsewhere that doesn't support hiring migrant workers? No, i am saying that if there are already a mass of people in an area making a particular task difficult, in this situation its not unreasonable to move on to something else.

So instead of trying to farm an area that is heavily botted I should go play another game that doesn't support botting players? Hope you never get the position of GM for this game or any other. No again, instead of trying to farm an area that's heavily botted, do something different to achieve the same goal. Want Exp and TP? Go do dailies closer to your level in the new zones, that's what they are there for.

Already have several people that followed guidelines by taking pics, submitting reports. Probably a total of hour of more user work for a GM to login and spend 2-5 mins to fix the problem. Yeah, i suppose banning one of the MILLIONS of botting characters out there would be a 2-5 minute fix, but unless you have a GM standing out there 24/7, the area will get botted with the absence of a GM. It's just the way it is. I am saying instead of kicking a dead horse, go do something more level appropriate. You'd have more grounds to complain if there weren't 3 other quests that are just as easy as the guard dog meat quest, since you're in it for the TP.

Regardless something must have been done to this nature as it seems to mostly be players farming the area rather than botters for a couple weeks now, but will require some follow-up attention surely. If its legitimate players farming an area, you have no room to complain at all.

I think bound GDM isn't a bad idea at all. That would prevent the botting problem and future problems of the like but then players would'nt be able to farm some for extra gold. Hence why I made a post explaining why it would essentially be a bad idea, too many people would complain about the minor inconvenience.

And some of you guys seem to think a level 70 farming the area is bad for some reason. I'm not saying its bad, I am saying it would be a wiser move not to try and farm an area that is already constantly farmed with both legit players and botters. This is why i said stick with things more level appropriate.

Myself ... when I see a low level continously farming the area I see it as a fail character, because it doesn't take that long to level-up, especially if you have farmed all those dogmeats. Well, your initial complaint of people botting the area makes this point moot now doesn't it? Lower levels do have access to other quests that will give them all the rewards of GDM without the pain of fighting others for kills or forking over ludicrous amounts of gold.
Explain why golden cavies will drop out of mobs more when you are levels above the mobs ? So level 70's shouldn't farm Logar for Golden Cavies? No, because a level 70 can find much larger groups of creatures in other area's. Doesn't matter what you think, this is the way the game is programmed and they did it in the way that people would buy loot runes from the CS and such. But this isn't an issue about drop rates and the Item shop, its specifically about botting and this has nothing to do with it.

A level 55 farming dogmeats without lucky target,luck pots, +'d wings or such is also wasting time which most of the level 55's I see use NOTHING. So they kill 10 dogs to get maybe 2 meats. Then you're doing something wrong. At level 61 i get about 1 meat every other kill, no special buffs and my wings are only +6

Dogmeats if for level 49 ( I think is min level to cashin) and above.
You can cash in whatever daily you want. If I just wanted the tokens I would do supply runs in Ystra but
I want the TP.
I did sharptooth meats for a while but butterflies and dogmeats is more XP and TP so its a no-brainer. [B]Since the clear trend of this game is that the higher the daily, the more EXP you get, wouldn't logic then dictate that going to a higher leveled daily would yield more EXP and TP? And again, since TP is what you're after, wouldn't it be considered a foolish move when you waste time trying to farm GDM and have to compete with both botters and other players, instead of using that time to do dailies that will offer more EXP with less hassle? [/B]

Quoted from "bratty;514271"

Millions of botters? (how old are you ? why do you exagerrate so bad) There was only one or a couple of botters.
No GM needs to stand there, just logon on ocassion. But that is only repeating things already said in this topic and it just doesn't sink does it.
Clearly you don't know how bad the problem is then. Did you happen to see Swag's post regarding how many botters had been banned and how many people who buy gold from them were subsequently banned? These are just he people they caught, and if i remember the numbers were in the 100K, perhaps millions was an exaggeration, but thousands is not.


Stop twisting things, I was not complaining. Wow you really don't comprehend well. That post i actually read wrong.



Now it is clear that you don't even play ! NO OTHER DAILY IS HIGHER XP/TP THAN DOGMEATS/BUTTERFLY/GARGOYLE
Everyone knows this , go levelup before trying to tell veteran level 70's how to play.
The dailies in my level 70 area are only 20kish TP.
Now wouldn't this explain all the level 70's worldchatting to buy dogmeats? We buy daily resets and do dogmeats just for the TP. Actually considering i NEVER see WC's for GDM anymore, no it wouldn't explain anything.
Wait...that wasn't a question...please don't answer
People that play the game are welcome to input on that

Your jibberish,smark,unthought,unknowledged remarks are not needed at all in this topic (think I speak for many forums users on that one)

edit: giving more thought...it seems rather obvious that you may be involved with the botting going on. Your defense is weak, and trying to just push people away from the area. I am hardly pushing people from the area, i am saying, like i have for the third time, that if you are going to try to farm in an area that is clearly a botters paradise, don't complain when you can't get anything done and move to other dailies. As you yourself said, the butterflies, gargoyles AND the shadow dailies all give the same EXP. So why make ANOTHER topic whining about the SAME issue that's been discussed over and over again, and just move to these other dailies that give the same EXP? You don't have an excuse other than that the botters are an inconvenience to you.

Quoted from "bratty;514425"

Correct it was in the millions...but the numbers were in reference to the millions of gold removed from the game from gold sellers and people that bought off goldsellers. The number of bans surely wasn't in the thousands and maybe a few of the bans were actual botters.