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Clearly you don't remember the %mana costs that were implemented for about 2 days awhile back.

I remember it just fine. I took part in the massive in-game Varanas Central mass protesting. Nice try with the assertion.

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]Again, something i have discussed in the form of a unified forum, instead of people like you trying to tout themselves over others because clearly they don't have a basic comprehension of simple English writing

You talk about a unified forum, but tell the OP to basically just stfu and stop worrying about botters since they're "on the backburner". It's pretty amusing that you're implying my English writing skills are inferior.

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.... Is that clear enough for you Skippy?

Gee, this isn't condescending.

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You've disrupted the topic with your accusations of someone trolling when they are simply stating things as they are.

You originally disrupted the conversation. I pointed this out; that was the main theme of my posts directed at you. Don't hijack criticism and try reflecting this back at me. It's pathetic.

There's a load more of the flaming trollish gibberish that I was tempted to include, but I don't feel like reposting ...well, just about all of your replies to me.
Call me an idiot again. Call me a moron. Keep calling me names. It helps your argument so much when you rant like a child, then call me a name. Though, I do have to admit, you've done a good job of taking focus away from me pointing out your unnecessary snarky comments in reply to the OP.

Summation: You made no attempts to officer advice or ideas on this topic that would "unify the forum", that idea you keep claiming you're into. You simply dismissed the topic and borderline attacked the OP for posting about it. If you think the botter issue has no hope, being on the backburner and all, then take my earlier advice and just simply stfu on this thread. That's all there is to it.
Constructive feedback is good (offering ideas), neutral feedback is fine, too (stating you don't think this will get taken care of), but negative feedback is just pointless (telling people to stop talking about something that's 'never going to get fixed' by the company you say doesn't give a rat's ass about their game anymore).

Getting back on topic, I think one of the first steps in taking care of the botters/gold sellers would be to have actual GM presence on the servers. Have them do the job of a GM, in that they actively police the servers and take care of people while they're botting, instead of weeks later when a ticket is finally looked into.

Quoted from "Myxril;515113"

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Getting back on topic, I think one of the first steps in taking care of the botters/gold sellers would be to have actual GM presence on the servers. Have them do the job of a GM, in that they actively police the servers and take care of people while they're botting, instead of weeks later when a ticket is finally looked into.

That would be heavenly. There are a few places where I am guaranteed to find botters. But of course, GMs would have to be paid, and of course, Frogster doesn't like to increase their expenses even if vital to support the game, unless of course Frogster can find a way to pay even more 'employees' off-the-books with cash equivalents. (cough, tax evasion, cough)

In response to the original post its not hard to circumvent botters. Just watch their pattern and you can stay in front of them. Botting like a lot of issues in this game is a pain in the butt and I just don't think RoM has the manpower to deal with it, but as for the op I don't really feel sorry for you if you're farming them for gold. It's because of people like you not just the bots that makes it hard for others to actually complete their dailys using dogmeat. I am not going to pay some schmuck for daily's when i can farm them myself. Also I'm not sure why they boosted the xp on a low level daily, but not on those in the higher level zones. I think 211k is the highest I've found, maybe there are some a bit higher but nothing like those in the Xaveria zone. One suggestion I have would be to at least boost the xp on dailys in Redhill/Terg to be higher than those in Xaveria. This would at least cripple the botters since a big majority of people buying daily's are endgamers. I wouldn't be opposed to bound daily's either, however I can see that being an issue for the company since people might be less inclined to buy as many reset tickets if its going to take them longer to complete daily's. In the end we just have to bend over and take it

Quoted from "Myxril;515113"

I remember it just fine. I took part in the massive in-game Varanas Central mass protesting. Nice try with the assertion.
Yeah, I suppose protesting in a game that rarely has GM's on, as has been pointed out numerous times, was a whole lot more effective than the hundreds of posts on the forums explaining at length what the problem was and how to solve it. You may as well have been rallying against the White house paining itself blue from the capital of Alaska.

You talk about a unified forum, but tell the OP to basically just stfu and stop worrying about botters since they're "on the backburner". It's pretty amusing that you're implying my English writing skills are inferior.
Again, this proves just how little you comprehend. I said that if the botters are such a big problem to move on to one of the other 3 dailies offered there for the SAME EXP instead of trying to beat them. You waste more time trying to beat botters than farming other dailies is all.

You do have a point though, that I never REALLY offered any advice, so here is some. Ignore guard dogs in that first corridor. If you manage to snipe one and pick up the meat, awesome, but don't let it be your focus. Blaze past the next little area's, killing another dog or two if you happen to get the opportunity. Head through the center, killing butterflies along the way. You'll get between 2 and 5 each way, so its pretty easy to just 1shot as you run past. Now head up to where the Abyssal shadows and Gargoyles are. I rarely see people in these area's anymore, and all it takes are 10 kills and 5 drops to complete 2 quests (Kill 5 Abyssal Shadows and 5 gargoyles. You also need 5 Gargoyle eyes to complete one of the quests) Farm the Gargoyles till you have around 25 eyes (Which only takes me about 20 minutes max) and then just start running the quests as fast as you can. You kill butterflies to and from, you almost always replenish some of the Gargoyle eyes each run, usually allowing you to max out dailies in about an hour for multiple days in a row. This, in my opinion, is one of the best ways to do the dailies in Xav.

Gee, this isn't condescending.
Don't even go there, most of your posts directed at me are worse. Be grateful I'm being nice.

You originally disrupted the conversation. I pointed this out; that was the main theme of my posts directed at you. Don't hijack criticism and try reflecting this back at me. It's pathetic. I made a comment, clearly sarcastic, which you flew off the handle about, subsequently attacking me. Don't act like a white knight when you're the one who started all this.

There's a load more of the flaming trollish gibberish that I was tempted to include, but I don't feel like reposting ...well, just about all of your replies to me. I suppose you'd consider what you can't understand gibberish. Work out your brain more and you might get it.
Call me an idiot again. Call me a moron. Keep calling me names. It helps your argument so much when you rant like a child, then call me a name. Though, I do have to admit, you've done a good job of taking focus away from me pointing out your unnecessary snarky comments in reply to the OP. See, now you're just pulling fabricated facts out of your head like Bill O'riley. Thats who you remind me of, someone loud and obnoxious who pulls these false factoids out of thin air, then turns around and lashes back when people call him out on it.

Summation: You made no attempts to officer advice or ideas on this topic that would "unify the forum", that idea you keep claiming you're into. You simply dismissed the topic and borderline attacked the OP for posting about it. If you think the botter issue has no hope, being on the backburner and all, then take my earlier advice and just simply stfu on this thread. That's all there is to it. Wow, you look more and more like Bill with each passing post. This sums up to, "Your opinion is different than mine so you shouldn't post it." The fact is, the botting problem IS on the back burner, and until a solution is found his best option IS to move on. If you can't understand that, then you're absolutely hopeless.
Constructive feedback is good (offering ideas), neutral feedback is fine, too (stating you don't think this will get taken care of), but negative feedback is just pointless (telling people to stop talking about something that's 'never going to get fixed' by the company you say doesn't give a rat's ass about their game anymore). Negative Feedback shows developers where their game needs improvement. I prey you never own your own game, you'd run it into the ground before you had a chance to lift off if this is your philosophy.

Getting back on topic, I think one of the first steps in taking care of the botters/gold sellers would be to have actual GM presence on the servers. Have them do the job of a GM, in that they actively police the servers and take care of people while they're botting, instead of weeks later when a ticket is finally looked into. Another uninformed and generic, "Lets just have mods on the servers ALL THE TIMES!" posts. Where do you suppose these mods will come from? Our existing bunch? They are far too busy with their own things, if they weren't we wouldn't have botters now would we? So its clear that we need more, so go out and get a few. Now you need to make sure they aren't going to abuse their powers and will actually be banning botters (I knew of a few mods who would just abuse their powers). So, lets devote 2 weeks to a trial period for these new mods and lets assume that they pass it and are now full fledged mods. All together you'd need 3 mods per server (One for each channel) Multiplied by the number of area's are being botted, times the number of servers with botting problems (All of them). With seven servers requiring 3 mods each, thats 21 mods. This is also assuming that each mod stays on for 24 hours a day, knock it down to a more reasonable 8 hours, and look at that, you need an extra 3 mods in each station to cover all 24 hours. You're already looking at 63 mods and that's just assuming there is 1 area on every server that needs to be monitored, there are multiple areas such as the farm, KS and dogmeat that i can think of off the top of my head that are botted to some extent. That comes to a staggering 189 mods required, why so high? Because frogster has to be prepared for anything that comes their way, such as their promised fix causes the servers to repopulate, opening all 3 channels on every server. If they don't prep for that, some channels or even entire servers get left in the dust.

Here is the Forumula i used by the way

3 mods required for a 24 hour period * (3 mods per channel * ( A * 7servers))
A= number of area's being botted

Are you starting to see why the generic "Put GM's there" Idea won't work? Because at this point we've completely forgotten about that 2 week trial period that 63 mods are being tested for, now has to be monitered by multiple other people to ensure they meet quality. Giving a 1:3 ratio thats another 21 staff you'd need. Following the same trend of 1:3 training ratio thats another 7 staff you'd need to train the 21 to train the 63 to cover 1 botting area on every server in every channel.

Sure the example is a little extreme, but the pricnipal stands the same. Either they pull existing people off the workforce to moniter these guys, which slows down other area's of progress, or take a longer time hiring more people.

As for my Forum Unification ideals, I was simply stating that there is more likely that something will be done if the forum users band together under a single idea instead of regurgitating the same old 4 idea's that surface. Add more GM's to the game, Edit the meat so its bound, take out the meat or the ever so enlightened, "Just ban the botters!" idea.

Flaming and name-calling is not ok. Desist please, or we will be forced to close the thread.

Quoted from "AngelIsrafel;515200"

Here is the Forumula i used by the way

3 mods required for a 24 hour period * (3 mods per channel * ( A * 7servers))
A= number of area's being botted

Are you starting to see why the generic "Put GM's there" Idea won't work? Because at this point we've completely forgotten about that 2 week trial period that 63 mods are being tested for, now has to be monitered by multiple other people to ensure they meet quality. Giving a 1:3 ratio thats another 21 staff you'd need. Following the same trend of 1:3 training ratio thats another 7 staff you'd need to train the 21 to train the 63 to cover 1 botting area on every server in every channel.

Give me a break one person could cut the botting by 1/2 on Artemis in 15-20 min a day. The blatent ones, the ones that bot 24/7 for weeks and months at a time are the ones that are most frustrating to the player base and that could be corrected with pretty minimal effort. Not sure why you are so pro-botter? Stick our head in the sand and go about our way?

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Give me a break one person could cut the botting by 1/2 on Artemis in 15-20 min a day. The blatent ones, the ones that bot 24/7 for weeks and months at a time are the ones that are most frustrating to the player base and that could be corrected with pretty minimal effort. Not sure why you are so pro-botter? Stick our head in the sand and go about our way?

I have to disagree with this statement. Its not hard to make an account, let alone get to Xav. There are farms of people who do this kind of botting for a living, thousands of people crammed together in a single room, each with their own PC, making characters and setting them up with botting programs.

If one botter gets banned on Artemis another one will soon take its place. This is a time old tradadition of botters that EVERYONE seems to overlook. Just because you ban 1 character doesn't mean you've even come close to hindering a professional Botters workforce. These people run multiple computers with multiple clients running on each. One person can easily control 15-20 bots, imagine what kind of army 50 botters have at their disposal?

This is also the last time I will explain this part of my post, since apparently NOBODY gets it;
In the CURRENT system
That we CURRENTLY have
That is CURRENTLY working on the botting problem
Not the IDEAL system
Not the OLD system
Not a FUTURE system
But the CURRENT system
Is not handling bots in a way that actually affects the botting problem. Because this is how the CURRENT system is, the most you CAN do is either try to out-farm them or move to a new area.
Again
Until the CURRENT system is Fixed, moving on is the best idea in my opinion
With the CURRENT system of dealing with botters, it takes weeks if not months to remove a small handful of botters
With the CURRENT system, tickets aren't addressed for months regarding botters
Because of the CURRENT system, they are not banning botters fast enough
Because the CURRENT system can't ban all the botters, people complain.

If the system changes and botters get banned more frequently, than i would heavily endorse people to report and send in tickets. Because this is not the case, sending a ticket in that won't be reviewed for months and then complaining about how hard it is to farm an area because of the bots that won't be dealt with any time soon, is simply a waste of time, energy and forum-space.

I don't think I can make it any simpler than that.

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Because this is not the case, sending a ticket in that won't be reviewed for months

This part isn't true. I have had very good response time to reporting botters. Some of the reports, there isn't any action taken as I see the same bots for weeks and months at a time, but the response time to tickets is good.

Quoted from "grimoru;515909"

This part isn't true. I have had very good response time to reporting botters. Some of the reports, there isn't any action taken as I see the same bots for weeks and months at a time, but the response time to tickets is good.

I suppose "Reviewed" was the wrong word and I may have misjudged support. Although they have never helped me with one or two issues the other problems I noted were repaired and replaced in quite the timely manner. I should change that wording to something more along the lines of, "Tickets that won't be Acted on for months."

Quoted from "AngelIsrafel;515961"

I should change that wording to something more along the lines of, "Tickets that won't be Acted on for months."

Fair enough. :-) Though I have had really good luck with my tickets getting resolved. I agree that botting is not a top issue from what I can tell. The only anti-botting 'action' I have seen is when a GM was on-line for the wedding event and responded to a few players whispering. I think this thread has run it's course, though the decreasing number of channels in Xaveria (just 1 this weekend when I stopped by) could casue this issue to rear it's ugly head.

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Dogmeats if for level 49 ( I think is min level to cashin) and above.
You can cash in whatever daily you want. If I just wanted the tokens I would do supply runs in Ystra but
I want the TP.
I did sharptooth meats for a while but butterflies and dogmeats is more XP and TP so its a no-brainer.

I think you also forgot to mention it is the best gold per daily in game still. Not even the lvl 77 dailies yield as much gold per daily as these Xavaria dailies, reason for a lvl 70 plus to do them as well as what you mentioned the xp/tp is not that much less with these dailies, all reasons the GDM sells so well. But hey I do not play on Artemis....just enjoying the discussion between a few people....name calling is usually the first sign of a losing argument.

Quoted from "bratty;514271"

Now it is clear that you don't even play ! NO OTHER DAILY IS HIGHER XP/TP THAN DOGMEATS/BUTTERFLY/GARGOYLE
Everyone knows this , go levelup before trying to tell veteran level 70's how to play.
The dailies in my level 70 area are only 20kish TP.
Now wouldn't this explain all the level 70's worldchatting to buy dogmeats? We buy daily resets and do dogmeats just for the TP.
Wait...that wasn't a question...please don't answer
People that play the game are welcome to input on that

Your jibberish,smark,unthought,unknowledged remarks are not needed at all in this topic (think I speak for many forums users on that one)

edit: giving more thought...it seems rather obvious that you may be involved with the botting going on. Your defense is weak, and trying to just push people away from the area

Wrong sir, AKoR n up are worth more tp/xp....just less gold.


ugggh maybe I should have paid attention to the year instead of the month/day of these posts.

The thread was necro'd before I replied.

Dailies in AKOR and up are all higher then fly, and most important - much shorter. It takes 2 galloping pots to get flame done, 1 to do Crystalia's fastest daily, and all of them very easy to do.

Reason dog meat might hold some interest is all those dwarfs that require L70 elite... and there is only enough XP/TP for single class in game.

Atar we have been hoaxed....this thread is from last years month of march.

waiting for kalvan to necro thread and my post...

Necro thread is necro.

/closed to stave off Zombie Apocalypse