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Monday, February 4th 2013, 1:02am

Mementos... The Game Changer

I've been reading a lot of posts about the decline of players and nobody wanting to run content.
So I would like to help people realize that the game has changed many times and how these changes
have affected the game.

Before the "memento revolution" lol, the game was rather small but it took a very long time to
progress. It took me months just to get to lvl 35!!! Each zone took maybe a week to explore,
learn and clear because all we had was crap green stats at that time. First I did howling
mountains, then varanas, and aslan, and I ran FA then NoM in pugs, then doing sacilla steps and
dragonfang ridge, for my 2nd class, then on to Ystra, taking hours to get the stupid elder
reindeer lol. Eventually Ystra was done and I moved on to OS, then ravenfell, then weeping coast
and savage lands then AV. Point is it took ages.

BUT NOW I can power level a toon to thirty in under 5 mins!!! Seriously 5 tiny minutes bam, lvl
30. That's a big big change. And we can power level to 50/50 in no time really. And even if you
can't find someone or pay someone to get that many quick levels, we NOW have Coast of Opportunity
to get people leveled in days versus what used to take months to do.

NOW we have butterfly dailies, shell gear, mem gear and eoj gear!!!! OMG That's all solo stuff
except GG which is almost the only thing many of our guildies do together besides siege. But with
all that, who has time for pugs and clearing end game content? People do their mini-games, they
do their dailies, they do some events, they solo/duo DoD or GCE for mems and they progress at
their own pace.

It boils down to the path of least resistance. If you don't require people to group to get stuff,
like they did when everyone ran HoTo day in and day out, or ZS & DL, and it's easy to get stuff
on your own NOW, chances are most people will pick the easy way.

Some people go through this new long solo process and wonder why they can't find people to do end
game content or any content, well it's pretty simple, they're all working on their toons!!!
They're just not ready like you are, or, it's not worth it as some have said in other threads,
and they choose the path of least resistance.

A lot of low levels complain about not getting runs in HoS, DL, ZS, RT, etc. But they don't
realize that things have changed so much that those instances are not REQUIRED to progress NOW.
You can buy great IX and X stats cheap and make dirty gear better then any clean statted HoS gear
that was ever made because the stats are double what they used to be. Basically, you can have
clean statted HoS for pennies by making dirty gear with the NEWer stats.

What these low levels need to understand is the high levels are doing the solo stuff because
that's what they've been given to do and nearly required to do in order to progress their toons.
But they should also realize or be educated in the fact that they can progress without running
all of the old content if they choose. They can get powerleveled or do CoO, farm 15 stacks of dog
meat, and make 10 wicked pieces of dirty statted gear that will get them to lvl 65+ where they
get wicked blue gear better then the old HoS crap.

The other thing people should realize is that everyone is different. Some will help more then
others. I try to educate people on how to progress quickly and help them with quest information.
Partly for selfish reasons, because I want lvl 75+ people next to me in siege, who even if not
yet geared can at least hit a target. But I also think it's much more valuable then running them
through HoS, wasting time waiting on 12 people to do something they can solo naked at level 75+
lol
There's always the set skill argument. And it's a good one. But I'm not saying don't run stuff.
I'm saying understand why it's hard to get runs for that stuff, and understand you can solo stuff
later if you progress quick, and gear up using all the solo gearing options we NOW have. But it's
a choice, you can go slow, spam LFG for groups all day and form groups, you may find like minded
people and all the power to you if you do! Just have fun either way.

All that said, the occasional run for fun, why not, but again I don't advise players to search
endlessly for people to run that content when it's not needed. And I certainly don't run that
everyday because it's what we did BEFORE. I've changed with times, I've accepted the changes.
If you do really want to run that stuff badly that's great, but I advise my new guildies to wait
for a run to start and join in on occasion and dirty up a purple they grabbed quickly. Heck I run
people on occasion through it and they're so happy to have a purple. But I do it fast, don't wait
around for 12 people if you can avoid it.

But even better suggest a run once, if it's dead (no replies), keep questing, do your mini games,
farm some dog meat. It's all solo and it all sucks but that's the game now. But it was also the
game when I farmed Moxa in aslan for a week straight, ok maybe it was a few days, but you get the
point.

Also, realize that healers and tanks are going to have a hard time because they can't solo mem
farm like many others can. It's gona be tougher, but it was your choice. On the flip side, when
you're geared you'll be hounded by every person to tank or heal for their party. So take the good
with the bad. But I also recommend having a somewhat dps option, you do have 3 classes NOW after
all.

Anyways, that's my rant, hope I've helped some people understand the game more honestly. I'm sure some will not like what I've said but I don't care I only read forum when server is down. LOL So to those, go ahead, flame away, I honestly don't care and doubt I'll even see it. But have your fun.

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 5:05am

OMG i wanna copy and paste this in the guild announcements

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 5:41am

This is what guilds are for. You find one that runs the content you want/need and join. There are those out there set just for SW, runs, hanging out, end gaming, etc.

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:25am

I disagree with the OP. RoM has turned into a solo player MMO until you reach level cap. You can do everything you need to with statting/gearing without ever needing to be in a party or guild. The gear sets from level 50 and up are indeed better than the quest rewards and will get you through almost all the content. Most players these days log in, do dailies, mini's, siege then MAYBE do a run someplace.... most often they log after siege. THAT is what the new players need to understand, alot of the people who actually know strats for instances aren't around or are not interested in doing stuff that doesn't benefit them somehow.

I just wonder how many players are still around that actually know the strats for clops, ks, tt and the lower instances. These days the "strat" is "burn it fast".

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:27am

Quoted from "Ziav;587475"

I disagree with the OP. RoM has turned into a solo player MMO until you reach level cap. You can do everything you need to with statting/gearing without ever needing to be in a party or guild. The gear sets from level 50 and up are indeed better than the quest rewards and will get you through almost all the content. Most players these days log in, do dailies, mini's, siege then MAYBE do a run someplace.... most often they log after siege. THAT is what the new players need to understand, alot of the people who actually know strats for instances aren't around or are not interested in doing stuff that doesn't benefit them somehow.

I just wonder how many players are still around that actually know the strats for clops, ks, tt and the lower instances. These days the "strat" is "burn it fast".
where do u disagree?

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:47am

Quoted from "1stfaze;587476"

where do u disagree?


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Monday, February 4th 2013, 12:29pm

Quoted from "kokall;587332"



A lot of low levels complain about not getting runs in HoS, DL, ZS, RT, etc. But they don't
realize that things have changed so much that those instances are not REQUIRED to progress NOW.
You can buy great IX and X stats cheap and make dirty gear better then any clean statted HoS gear
that was ever made because the stats are double what they used to be. Basically, you can have
clean statted HoS for pennies by making dirty gear with the NEWer stats.



agreed 100%. really annoys me ppl spamming any kind of chat looking for those kind of runs for gear... when they don't need it as you wrote on the thread.. i do it very often to get ppl ISS, but i don't get them running it every day to get full OD sets, or anything like that.

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 5:05pm

When you don't have the time to spend farming mems or no where near the lvl to solo farm them, or of a lvl to do anything related to EOJs, or don't want to spend every day doing the same ole do dailies, do minis, siege, go to bed thing, farming those old instances are a fast and efficient way to gear. So to say you are sick of people wanting to run these instances ...... You play your way, let other people play their way, and don't let what other people do, or don't do, bother you.

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 5:41pm

Well many thanks for the mostly positive replies.

As for the spamming I can understand how that may annoy some people, just like any ignorance annoys some people, but I also understand the many good points Gilderoi has made. He basically reminds us that everyone is different.

BUT, what annoys who is not really the issue. The point is that the game has changed bigtime and the best thing we can probably do is try to educate new players and stuck players, especially those who want to progress quickly but are frustrated.

I can only imagine what a new player experiences when going into this game that was originally designed one way but now has so much added stuff it's confusing.

So I think the best thing we can do is try to educate new players or frustrated players about these changes. If you see someone asking for a run for HoS, it would be really nice of you to ask them if they are aware of things like dirty statting and mem gear, and let them know they can progress without HoS. But it's not always easy, they often think they know better or just not open to people's advice.

Still, it would be nice of you to inform new players about things like CoO, dog meat dailies, honor parties and how to make gold farming blend runes, music mats etc, to buy some cheap X stats etc, or just ask them what they are having throuble doing. If they say they are having trouble getting groups for HoS and DL, etc, you can inform them that it's not required and why so many don't run those like they did before, because they're doing events etc, and that they can do them too if they dirty up some gear, get their questing done, and start really building their toons with endgame gear.

Again, it's all a choice, and if they say ya I know I just wana HoS anyways for fun, or they don't have time, or don't like repetitive stuff, that's their choice. I wish them the best of luck finding like minded people and hope they enjoy the game.

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:16pm

I agree with you in a lot of points, but remeber that this is a game. Maybe people wants to run this for fun ? I still love to do pugs run for HoS even if i dont need it. When we do WA or RT, it helps people learn their class. (I mean with a group that doesnt burn in 2 sec). For the gear, i agree, the fast and easy way is to lvl up quickly and skip the old instance gear. But still, i don't like people not doing instance because it isnt useful. I think it is nice to do any kind of instance even if its old. Remove some gear and make it a challenge. Just my opinion.
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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:26pm

As I said, I have no problem with people running for fun as long as they have no problem with me not running for fun. Besides needing to do events and farm mems most of the time, a big reason I don't run those old instances is because I ran them hundreds of times when they were new instances, not a few dozen times, hundreds and hundreds of time. I never wana see DoD again but yet I still find myself there some days. But even I like to feel nostalgic (can't spell) sometimes. Again everyone is different, but I would like to focus on the issue of educating new players. I think that will help us keep more players and get more players who can actually contribute, if we can pull them away from their events or minigames for a few minutes. Seems like everyday I hear, yep right after i finish GG. UGH :)

And before someone brings up the issue of mechanics and class skill/knowledge, that's a different issue, something that comes with time and experience. All the skill and knowledge won't help if you don't have statting and progression knowledge.

But it comes back to helping others and sharing knowledge versus burning bosses for them. Tell them about codex pots, housemaids, holy pets, hero pots, cards, titles, runes, plussing, crit rate, crit dmg, clean tiering, dirty tiering, strong stims, caviar, mems, eojs, shells, poms, elites, buff rotations, skill rotations, addons, macros, events, and whatever else you know that I don't.

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Saturday, February 9th 2013, 12:16am

i know what to do

tape record when a player logs in post what they did or didn't do in forums ask them what they are doing while using google spy camera on them and call them a nuttbag. We don't get to go down and play with pussycat anymore so what we can do now is very limited. This is how i do my dailies and expect it is how everyone else does them to.

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Saturday, February 9th 2013, 7:55pm

Quoted from "Marlborz;588243"

tape record when a player logs in post what they did or didn't do in forums ask them what they are doing while using google spy camera on them and call them a nuttbag. We don't get to go down and play with pussycat anymore so what we can do now is very limited. This is how i do my dailies and expect it is how everyone else does them to.


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Sunday, February 10th 2013, 1:21am

Quoted from "effervescent;588304"

...wut.

^^^^

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Sunday, February 10th 2013, 5:34pm

Quoted from "Marlborz;588243"

tape record when a player logs in post what they did or didn't do in forums ask them what they are doing while using google spy camera on them and call them a nuttbag. We don't get to go down and play with pussycat anymore so what we can do now is very limited. This is how i do my dailies and expect it is how everyone else does them to.

genius!

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Sunday, February 24th 2013, 5:04pm

I somewhat disagree. Not encouraging new people to run the older stuff caused the strats to be lost in the first place, turnover happens. I look at the growing up instances as a step in the game. I like to run people through them because its a learning experience. Id rather not wait till they are lvl cap to teach them about stupid mistakes. when dura loss hurts really bad. Know what i mean? but thats a perspective i probably only have from being a leader. and i dont care how many times i run the old haunts. theyre still fun. but everyone has their own path, that is true.
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Monday, February 25th 2013, 7:34am

Quoted from "trav42073;590068"

I somewhat disagree. Not encouraging new people to run the older stuff caused the strats to be lost in the first place, turnover happens. I look at the growing up instances as a step in the game. I like to run people through them because its a learning experience. Id rather not wait till they are lvl cap to teach them about stupid mistakes. when dura loss hurts really bad. Know what i mean? but thats a perspective i probably only have from being a leader. and i dont care how many times i run the old haunts. theyre still fun. but everyone has their own path, that is true.


One of the focus points of the original post was "running through", that said if someone is begging for a run through old content then its not gonna be a "strat" kinda thing its mostly burns if someone really wants to try and get the "full rom experience" they need to find similarly geared similary leveled people and go run it

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Tuesday, February 26th 2013, 2:23am

Quoted from "1stfaze;590122"

One of the focus points of the original post was "running through", that said if someone is begging for a run through old content then its not gonna be a "strat" kinda thing its mostly burns if someone really wants to try and get the "full rom experience" they need to find similarly geared similary leveled people and go run it


There aren't many people who even want to do this. They might gain some extra money by extending the lvl cap, but they lose the value of the other zones they put work into. My current toon has never gone to Sascilla Steppes :P

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Tuesday, February 26th 2013, 5:30am

exactly, i came around ch 3, and i havent done alot of quests or instances before because who wants to go there, TT,HOTO,IDK, origin the list goes on all places lost in the level cap(s) pretty soon rt/kt will be all but forgotten and hos/zs/dl will be too atm no one runs it but for iss

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Tuesday, February 26th 2013, 4:05pm

I don't want to discourage people from running old content but I really want them to understand they don't need it to progress. I don't want them to get frustrated thinking they absolutely need to run it, but can't find people to go with them. Then they may just think the game is dead and quit instead of understanding how the game has changed.

If they can get quick runs, or find like minded people to run for fun, then all the power to them.

Most people have their own agendas in this game, but in my experience guild leaders try to control things way too much. Many are self-appointed with something to prove I guess. I've been frustrated with guild leaders agendas for a long time and their unfair loot rule practices but that's a whole other topic!!! I shouldn't even bring it up!

But my point is that guild leaders MIGHT do things they feel will keep players happy even though it may not be what's best for them to progress. They MIGHT feel that as long as they're running something they're keeping players entertained. Or, they MIGHT just get stuck in their habbits and they may not even realize themselves how they may be slowing down people's progress. Even Trav who brought it up realizes that being a guild leader may affect his perspective.

I don't claim to know all guild leaders and all their agendas. But I know my agenda is to educate people and help them understand all of these things. Obviously my agenda, other then actually just feeling good about helping people, is to have more people in the market for stuff I sell. :) If even half of all new players get stuck at level 50 or 60, and can't use the event or dailies I farm to sell, then I'm not helping myself by not educating them.

So even I have an agenda. :) But I hope that it won't distract people and I hope they'll realize I'm honest and I'm trying to help them for mostly unselfish reasons, if that's possible. But I will completely understand if someone says they want to take it slow and experience the old content, it's their choice. But maybe at some point, if they're educated, when the time comes, they'll be able to progress when they have had their fill of the older content.

Anyways, I hope I don't get ripped a new one by all the guild leaders. lol I guess if they feel the need to respond to that part of my message then they prolly really identify with it eh?