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Sunday, February 28th 2010, 3:45am

The Arcane Transmutor: Adding Dirty Stats (images)

**See a webpage version of this tutorial with full-size images and some other neat features here.**

I realize there are already several other AT tutorials, but I haven't seen any that have clear screenshots showing how everything is done. I've run several groups of players on Reni through the basics of transmuting for lowbies, and I figured I'd post the tutorial here for anyone else interested. So, here goes...

Update: Since the forums don't allow embedding images larger than "thumbnails", please click the link below (or at the top of this post) to read the tutorial. It's much easier to understand when you can view the screenshots embedded in the tutorial text.

CLICK HERE!

If you have any questions, please post them below - but please don't post questions until you have read through this tutorial thoroughly. I've simplified as much as can really be done, so if you still don't understand it, maybe you're better off letting other people do this transmution stuff.

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Sunday, February 28th 2010, 3:53am

Please click the link in the above post to view the tutorial with images embedded.

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Sunday, February 28th 2010, 4:44am

Awesome thread! Really spelt it out.

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Sunday, February 28th 2010, 6:39am

Nice well layed out thread. My only comment thou is that I normally just buy the fusion stones from the vender until I can get 3 that match. Considering I just use the quest gear I get as I am leveling to stat my own gear, I find that it is cheaper this way in the long run. IF i was going to try and get stones with only 2 stats then I would be hitting the AH and of course paying dearly for them.

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Sunday, February 28th 2010, 1:55pm

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Nice well layed out thread. My only comment thou is that I normally just buy the fusion stones from the vender until I can get 3 that match.


How many stones do you usually end up buying before you find three matching ones? How much does each stone cost?

I can usually find three matching stones on the AH for an average price of 7k gold each. If you're spending more than 21k gold to get three matching stones, you'll be better off just using the AH.

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Considering I just use the quest gear I get as I am leveling to stat my own gear, I find that it is cheaper this way in the long run.


I'm not sure what you mean - are you ripping the stats off your quest gear for transmution? IMO it's a waste of transmutor charges and fusion stones to put anything but the best stats on a piece of gear. With the process I described, I can wear my transmuted gear up to and beyond level 30. I started transmuting gear for my R/K when she was at like level 13, and she's level 29 now on that same gear - and I'm still two and three-hitting baddies that are three levels above me.

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Sunday, February 28th 2010, 10:19pm

Very nice! Thanks for the graphical guide!

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Sunday, February 28th 2010, 11:00pm

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How many stones do you usually end up buying before you find three matching ones? How much does each stone cost?

I can usually find three matching stones on the AH for an average price of 7k gold each. If you're spending more than 21k gold to get three matching stones, you'll be better off just using the AH.



I'm not sure what you mean - are you ripping the stats off your quest gear for transmution? IMO it's a waste of transmutor charges and fusion stones to put anything but the best stats on a piece of gear. With the process I described, I can wear my transmuted gear up to and beyond level 30. I started transmuting gear for my R/K when she was at like level 13, and she's level 29 now on that same gear - and I'm still two and three-hitting baddies that are three levels above me.


These really are both the same topic, and not really ment to be argued seporatly. I just take a different road then you take. ME personally I just use quest gear as I progress around level 35 is when I start stating my gear because before then it really wasn't needed, the basic quest gear was more then enough. Since I am reguarly restating gear about every 5ish to 10ish or so levels it makes more sense to me to keep a stock pile of fusion stones so that I can redo my gear. With that logic I only end up buying a few 1 or so fusion stones till I get a match of 3 of my existing fusion stones. Sometimes yea I end up getting more then just a few but by that time I've already gone through most of the fusion stones I have, sometimes it's just 1. IF fusion stones were ONLY 7k each I would have a different stance as it is now on my server more like 21k each!! :eek: Which is why I do the method I just said.

As to charges, well I never had a problem with them. I use the tokens from daily quests and turn in 300 at a time in the CS so that I get a ruby in addition to my 10 charges. Anything that can be offloaded to an alt to do the transmute does get offloaded to a disposable alt to do the transmute. This also saves charges in the long run, espically when you start talking about tiering weapons.

So in short, let's agree to disagree. I am not knocking what you're doing if I could get great prices on the AH for fusion stones I would do it that way, since I can't I do it a different way. Neither way is wrong, they are just different.

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Monday, March 1st 2010, 12:40am

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These really are both the same topic, and not really ment to be argued seporatly. I just take a different road then you take. ME personally I just use quest gear as I progress around level 35 is when I start stating my gear because before then it really wasn't needed, the basic quest gear was more then enough. Since I am reguarly restating gear about every 5ish to 10ish or so levels it makes more sense to me to keep a stock pile of fusion stones so that I can redo my gear.


That does make more sense then, if you're restatting your gear frequently. I keep my gear once I stat it up, and then aggregate it if I want to change the appearance. Doing it either way is confusing though, so hopefully my tutorial will help people transmute regardless of which way they want to go with their fusion stones and stats.

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Monday, March 1st 2010, 12:43am

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Very nice! Thanks for the graphical guide!

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Thanks!

One question, though - why are my embedded images not showing up anymore? It's kind of difficult to click back and forth between the guide and image links...

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Monday, March 1st 2010, 1:01am

Anything bigger than a thumbnail is converted to links- thumbnails here would be great- then people can go back and forth with more ease ;)

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Monday, March 1st 2010, 4:01am

How big should the thumbnails be?

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Monday, March 1st 2010, 8:11am

Quoted from "Hathore;235991"

Anything bigger than a thumnail is converted to links- thumbnails here would be great- then people can go back and forth with more ease ;)


Ah thats unfortunate as this formatted as it were with the pictures included right here to see as you read thru this was the best tutorial i've seen to date, and the pictures were pretty significant visual aids for noobs like me and part of what made it so understandable. Also the whole thing about 'going back and forth' that just makes it harder.. not easier, not having to go back and forth is what made the visual aids so useful to begin with.

By far.. and i've read many as a new player trying to figure this out.. by far this is the best information i've found on the matter.. well done. Hope we can get those pictures back in, thumbnails and/or links just isn't the same as it was when i first read it.. bookmarked, then came back today to see its been changed ;(

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Monday, March 1st 2010, 2:42pm

Yeah, I'll fix it up today. :)

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Monday, March 1st 2010, 3:59pm

good guide, but why 3 fusion stones? i read that all you need is 1, and 1 piece of armor and your good to go...

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Monday, March 1st 2010, 4:03pm

As far as I am aware, you need a minimum of three mana stones to transmute a piece of gear. A single mana stone won't do it - and you need three fusion stones to make three mana stones.

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Monday, March 1st 2010, 5:48pm

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Anything bigger than a thumnail is converted to links- thumbnails here would be great- then people can go back and forth with more ease ;)


This rule is fine for normal posts, but guides should be allowed to use images for the reasons mentioned above.

Would you rather have people knowing your game and understanding how to play - thus playing more and contributing more financially - or would you rather impose this rule?

Especially for a transmution guide that directly affects the Frogster bottom line.

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Monday, March 1st 2010, 5:55pm

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This rule is fine for normal posts, but guides should be allowed to use images for the reasons mentioned above.


I agree. And to the forum admins, have you considered this vBulletin plugin:

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=118048

It's what another vBulletin forum I frequent uses - it dynamically resizes inline images to be smaller, and allows the user to view the full-size image inline, rather than having to click a link to go to a new window/tab/page.

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Monday, March 1st 2010, 6:59pm

Quoted from "nemecis;236199"

Not a bad summation.

One note ... your guide to stats for each class is misleading. Your gudie is fine for teaching others how to transmute, but for stat suggestions it may be best to leave it up to class / build experts.

Overly simplified and misleading to new players that don't know better.


If there's anything you'd like to clarify, please do. I'm just going off what has worked very well for me playing as every class but Warrior (I just hate that class, what can I say?). I can regularly two and three-shot baddies three or four levels above my own by transmuting with the stats listed in my guide. I'm not saying it's the best or only way to do it, but it seems to work well.

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Secondly, your comment in step 4 wrt +9 stats being rare ... actually it's not the + value you're concerned with it's the rank (roman numeral) of the stat. As such, Defense I (+9 Pdef) is very easy to come by since it's a rank 1 stat. (while this may seem trivial, the distinction needs clarification as it confuses many).
Like I said in the tutorial text, I'm just going off my own experience. I've rarely seen fusion stones in the AH with +9 anything - it's nearly always +3, +5, or +10 (for MP/HP).

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Monday, March 1st 2010, 7:13pm

No player needs any other stats besides what shifuimam listed.

You don't need stamina or any other defensive stats when your targets die in one hit. I play a rogue with max dex/dex/str gear and I solo crown elites at my same level, solo elites several levels above, and solo instances only a few levels past their recommended range.

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Wednesday, March 3rd 2010, 7:04am

To be honest I personally never read what his "recomendations" were for stating per class when I first glanced through this. If I had actually read that I might have also commented. Anyways I would agree with the comments Nemecis made about putting sta on your gear. Frankly when you hit savage lands and if you have no sta you are dead, no question about it you are just dead. You can't 1 or 2 shot any mob there, you have to have the hitpoints to survive. In another post I made about savage lands (oh my), they recomended that you have around 8-10k hitpoints. Without putting sta on your gear you will not have that. Of course the hitpoints can be mitigated some if you are part healer (that's what my m/d does now).

As to the comments about what is best for each class outside of 1 sta on a piece of gear. I really don't have the expertise to say, I would just point folks to the appropriate forums for them to get the answers to those questions. ME personally I ran with 1/1/1 sta/int/wis for my dirty stating up to level 50(also note i used the same gear on both mage and druid, not the best for dps but gave me lots of mana and endurance for fights), when i started making a clean set of gear (for my mage) i am now stating 3/3 sta/int.