Runes of Magic US / AU

I think this is the wrong forum. It should be in community guides, nor crafting, because statting an item is not really part of crafting unless you craft the parts which you are using for statting.

Couple comments...

1) Advanced Auction House is absolutely a must-have addon for statting. Why? Because you can search by a whole number of useful factors. You want a level 30-35 leather gloves with dura over 105 and zero stats? Specify those parameters to the search and you will get them.

In particular, a lot of people are selling Fusion Stones there. So, specify that you want a Fusion Stone with +3 stamina and +3 strength, and you get couple dozen candidates. Then just pick three with the same third trash stat and you get your three identical stones cheaper than rolling dice at the vendor.

2) To make tier 3 mana stones, you need level 43+ items. While at level 43 you are not really a newbie, it makes some sense to use the quest reward items for crafting your gear. Why? Several main reasons...

a) They are tier 3 which is what you really should use to make mana stones.
b) They are almost uniformly 1 green stat items, and that green stat is of a decent level (like VIII or IX), enough for your first statted gear.
c) They are "free". You get them for quests and there are too many of them to use. They are bound, so not saleable. So, what else are you going to do with them? They are not as good as higher level green or yellow stats, sure, but when you can make a green-statted item for under $50K, can't expect much. Heck, you can make them just for resale.

3) While this happens very rarely, I have seen the cases where an item has 2 good stats and doesn't cost a whole lot. Those items can be used for statting. The general idea of dirty statting is that you make 3 mana stones with 3 junk stats and 3 good stats. The usual way is to have one good stat per stone. But, it doesn't have to be one good stat per stone, even though it is how that usually works. If you use item with 2 good stats to make a mana stone, you can make the other mana stone with zero good stats, using a cheap 2K zero-stat tier 3 item from a vendor. That way your final set of mana stones has 3 good stats and none of the good stats get pushed out.

Would highly recommend posting this in the guide section. This is very well written and illustrated. Looks like a lot of effort went into this... thus it'd be nice if it was seen by those who would not really look in crafting forums to see this.

There are already two guids to the AT there no need for another one plus those go more in depth than this one.... No offence but this has already been done and there is no need for another one but over all it is a good guide.

What if the item you want to add stats to already has some on it?

For example, I have some wings with 3 added stats, but I hear I can have up to 6, how would I do this?

/moved

creat an new stone using puries from item shop with ONLY 3 stats on it other wise you run the chance of loosing one or more of the good stats from the wings

Great effort, nice additions with the pictures and delivering the context in a more approachable way, instead of technical jargon. Although there are already good guides, one linked in my sig, but this is a good effort none the less.

Very nice and dedicated guide. Easy to understand. Could use a bit more options like using the AH to your benefit. Over all, nice job.

9/10

Quoted from "Sotha;371127"

creat an new stone using puries from item shop with ONLY 3 stats on it other wise you run the chance of loosing one or more of the good stats from the wings

So I'll need to use purified fushion stones from the store to make another 3 mana stones of the same tier as my wings (4) with only 3 stats, preferably the same?

Vycious you will need three diffrent stones of as you say t4 or higher with one stat on them each other wise you will run the chance of loosing the three current stats you have on there already thats why i said to use puries so you dont get the trash stats...

I thought this guide was Great for Newbie Dummies like me. I've read 3 of the other more comprehensive arcane transmuting guides, but this guide helped me more because it contained less technical jargon.

One thing I'd like to see added to this guide is how do I get more AT charges (in terms of gold cost, diamonds, etc.), and how many total AT charges does it cost to make an item?

The part which has always confused me in those guides is that they really cover in details how to do this, but not nearly as much why. Why am I doing these steps?

So, here is my take on such explanation. Hope it is clear... as usual, some things that make sense once you understand them are hard to explain to someone who doesn't yet.

Here is the explanation I wrote for the underlying principles of why statting is done the way it is done

Introduction overview

There are several ways in which a piece of gear is better than standard

1) High Durability. If item has over 100 durability, it gets 20% bonus to its stats. Durability can't be improved permanently, so over-100 items are highly valuable. They are often called OD or over-dura
2) High Rarity. Standard is white, then it goes green, blue, purple and orange. Again, can't be improved.
3) High Tier. Tier adds 10% per level to item base. Tier can be improved.
4) High Refinement. Using refining jewels, the item can be refined up to +12. Higher level refinement requires item shop jewels. Refinement can be improved.
5) High Statting. Armor and weapon can have 6 stats attached to it. Stats come in rank (from I to XII) and in colors - green, yellow and orange. Green stat improves one attribute, yellow improves two, and orange improves three. Stats can be improved.
6) Runes. Items have up to 4 rune slots and runes can be inserted into those slots. Runes can be improved.

This guide will focus on statting. It is usually the best way to improve a piece of gear. It can be combined with tiering item, but usually that is prohibitively expensive, so pick one or the other. Both statted and tiered items can be refined and have runes, so statting and tiering are only two incompatible improvements.

Statting Process.

The process of putting stats of items consists of 4 steps

a) Item #1 + Fusion Stone #1 + AT Charge --> Mana Stone #1
b) Item #2 + Fusion Stone #2 + AT Charge --> Mana Stone #2
c) Item #3 + Fusion Stone #3 + AT Charge --> Mana Stone #3
d) Mana Stone #1 + Mana Stone #2 + Mana Stone #3 + Item #4 + AT Charge --> Item #4 with new stats. This last step only works if all three mana stones are same tier. Tier on mana stone comes from the item, so be extra careful which items you use, or you end up with incompatible set of Mana stones

Item #4 with new stats is the end product - the item that you will actually wear or wield.

In steps a, b, c above, the stats from both Fusion Stone and Item transfer to the mana stone. Likewise, in step d, the stats from all 3 mana stones and Item #4 transfer to the new #4 item.

Unfortunately, there are only 6 stats that can be held on the item. And when adding stats the system picks 6 worst stats. So, the goal of proper transmutting is to make sure that as many good stats get on item as possible.

Dirty Statting.

For dirty statting, we will use Fusion Stones from the vendor. Almost all of those Fusion Stones come with 3 bad low-level stats on it, the so-called "dirty stats". They are usually level I or II, so they don't help you much. With three fusion stones, that means we have up to 9 of those low-level stats getting into the final stat pool. That's not good, since we only can up to 6 stats, and we already have 9 dirty ones.

We need to reduce that number from 9 to something lower. How do we reduce it? Well, what happens is that the item or stone can't have the same stat twice. If the same stat comes from two or three different sources, you still only get it once. That means, for example, that if Fusion Stone #1 and Fusion Stone #2 both had Wisdom I stat, the final stat pool only has Wisdom I once. In that case, since Wisdom I comes from more than one source, fusion stones contribute only 8 dirty stats.

So, our aim is to take advantage of this rule. We need to minimize number of dirty stats, by selecting all three Fusion stones with *exact same set* of 3 dirty stats. All of these dirty stats will end up on final item, but since they are the same, there will be only three of them total from all three stones. That leaves us with space in our six-stat pool to put three good stats.

The usual source of good stats are items #1, #2 and #3 with one good stat each. They should be high level green stats (meaning the ones of IX level or better) for your first set of items. You will need each good stat to be unique. Same as with dirty stats, only one clean stat with same name gets onto the final item.

The stats are matched on their names, not the attributes they improve. That means you can't have two "Stamina X" stats. You should pick "Stamina X" and "Stamina XI", or you can pick a stamina stat with another name, like "Physique X". Even though they are both +stamina stats and both are X, they have different names so they count separately.

Your item #4, the one that you will actually wear should be stat-free and clean. You also want an over-dura one. People list clean overdura items on AH all the time, so you should have little trouble finding one. Finally, I would recommend items that don't bind on equip. While they might not be as good of a base as bind-on-equip ones, when you outgrow that item, you can sell it without having to buy an unbinder.

There are other ways to get 3 good stats on item, but they are less frequent. If your target item #4 already has a single good stat you like, you can reduce the pool of stats that come from steps (a), (b) or (c) to just five. To do that, use stat-free Item #1. That would mean you get your 3 good stats from Item #2, Item #3 and your usable item #4. Alternatively, you can let your pool of stats to grow over 6 stats and let one of the stats "fall off". That is sub-optimal since the stats that fall off are the best stats - but can be done with careful planning.

Once your character levels, you can make better dirty-statted gear. You can get better Item #4s. You can use yellow stats instead of green ones. Or you can get higher level green stats you like.

Clean Statting

The main problem with dirty statting is that out of 6 stats on the item, you have three dirty ones, thus limiting the number of good stats to three. Those dirty stats come from your Fusion stones and there is no way to get rid of them. Well, the reason they are there is because you use cheap vendor fusion stones. If you had better fusion stones, they would contribute fewer dirty stats, leaving you with more room in your 6-stat pool for good stats.

The mid-level fusion stones have dirty stats, but less than three. That can happen because the stats on vendor stones are random. So if your random roll picked "Stamina I", "Wisdom I" and "Wisdom I", you only get "Wisdom I" once. That means your fusion stone has 2 dirty stats instead of usual 3, leaving you more room for clean stats. Get three such stones with exact same 2 dirty stats and you can have 4 good stats on your final item. It is even possible to have only one dirty stat on vendor fusion stone.

The best fusion stones have no dirty stats at all. They are sold in item shop, and you get a few of them in your gift bag as you level. They are called "Purified Fusion Stones" or "puri"s, and with no dirty stats on them, they allow 6 clean stats to be on your item #4. They are very expensive, though.

Current prices on dirty stones on auction house are about 10-12K for 3-stat ones, about 50-60K for 2-stat ones. Price of a puri at item shop is 125 diamonds for a 5-pack, which means 25 diamonds for one. At the standard price of 10K gold per diamond, puri is then worth 250K.

Buying Stats

Usually, you can buy items for Item #1, Item #2 and Item #3 on the auction house that have a single green stat of level X, for about 10-12K. At high enough level, you also get a lot of quest reward items with X stats, so that can be another source.

Items with single yellow stat are more expensive, of course, selling up to 4-5 millions for some of the best ones. Also, since items are often bound (and can't be easily sold), but mana stones aren't bound, a lot of people will use a puri to rip off a yellow stat onto a mana stone and then sell that mana stone.

Quoted from "vfwiffo;376911"

The part which has always confused me in those guides is that they really cover in details how to do this, but not nearly as much why. Why am I doing these steps?

So, here is my take on such explanation. Hope it is clear... as usual, some things that make sense once you understand them are hard to explain to someone who doesn't yet.

Statting Process.

The process of putting stats of items consists of 4 steps

a) Item #1 + Fusion Stone #1 + AT Charge --> Mana Stone #1
b) Item #2 + Fusion Stone #2 + AT Charge --> Mana Stone #2
c) Item #3 + Fusion Stone #3 + AT Charge --> Mana Stone #3
d) Mana Stone #1 + Mana Stone #2 + Mana Stone #3 + Item #4 + AT Charge --> Item #4 with new stats. This is what you will actually use

In steps a, b, c above, the stats from both Fusion Stone and Item transfer to the mana stone. Likewise, in step d, the stats from all 3 mana stones and Item #4 transfer to the new #4 item.

Unfortunately, there are only 6 stats that can be held on the item. And the system picks 6 worst stats. So, the goal of proper transmutting is to make sure that there are as few bad stats as possible.

Dirty Statting.

For dirty statting, we will use Fusion Stones from the vendor. Almost all of those Fusion Stones come with 3 bad low-level stats on it, the so-called "dirty stats". They are usually level I or II, so they don't help you much. That means we have up to 9 of those low-level stats getting into the final stat pool. That's not good, since we only can up to 6 stats, and we already have 9 dirty ones.

We need to reduce that number from 9 to something lower. How do we reduce it? Well, what happens is that the item or stone can't have the same stat twice. If the same stat comes two or three different sources, you still only get it once. That means if, for example, Fusion Stone #1 and Fusion Stone #2 both had Wisdom I stat, the final stat pool only has Wisdom I once.

So, our aim is to take advantage of this rule by selecting all three Fusion stones with *exact same set* of 3 dirty stats. All of these dirty stats will end up on final item, but since they are the same, there will be only three of them total from all three stones. That leaves us with space to put three good stats.

The usual source of good stats are items #1, #2 and #3 with one good stat each. They should be high level green stats (meaning the ones of IX level or better) for your first set of items. You will need each good stat to be unique. Same as with dirty stats, only one clean stat with same name gets onto the final item. That means you can't have two "Stamina X" stats. You should pick "Stamina X" and "Stamina XI", or you can pick a stamina stat with another name, like "Physique X". Even though they are both +stamina stats and both are X, they have different names so they count separately.

Your item #4, the one that you will actually wear should be stat-free, and if you can find it, with a durability over 100%.

There are other ways to get 3 good stats on item. If your target item #4 already has a stat you like, you can reduce the pool of stats that come in steps (a), (b) or (c) to just 5. To do that, use stat-free Item #1. That would mean you get your 3 good stats from Item #2, Item #3 and your usable item #4. Alternatively, you can let your pool of stats to grow over 6 stats and let one of the stats "fall off". That is sub-optimal since the stats that fall off are the best stats, but can be done with careful planning.

Once your character levels, you can make better dirty-statted gear. You can get better Item #4s. You can use yellow stats instead of green ones (yellow stats improve two attributes but only count as one stat). Or you might find higher level green stats you like.

Clean Statting

The main problem with dirty statting is that out of 6 stats on the item, you have three dirty ones, thus limiting the number of good stats to three. Those dirty stats come from your Fusion stones and there is no way to get rid of them. Well the reason they are there is because you use cheap vendor fusion stones. If you had better fusion stones, they would contribute fewer dirty stats, leaving you with more room in your 6-stat pool for good stats.

The best fusion stones have no dirty stats at all. They are sold in item shop, and you get a few of them in your gift bag as you level. They are called "Purified Fusion Stones" or "puri"s, and with no dirty stats on them, they allow 6 clean stats to be on your item #4. They are very expensive, though.

The mid-level fusion stones have dirty stats, but less than three. That happens because the stats on vendor stones are random. So if your random roll picked "Stamina I", "Wisdom I" and "Wisdom I", you only get "Wisdom I" once. That means your fusion stone has 2 dirty stats instead of usual 3, leaving you more room for clean stats.

Very nice explanation.

Thank you to both Cellopro and vfwiffo. Very helpful information.