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Monday, January 23rd 2012, 4:20am

Using Cheap Stats to Make Clean Tier Stones

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(i always mix up english and german grammar and im lazy with using ' )

since Kalvan said its ok with him, here again with pictures instead just links to the pictures.
disclaimer: if someone still wants to powertrip because of "no IMG allowed but we are to stupid to deactivate it for unwanted sections in the ACP" - please ST*U and just cut and paste this posting including the images into fanart for your pleasure, thx.


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Pls put it in Post#1 so we get the guide running, thx.

Explanation:
#1 Stats of the SAME rating are interchangeable.
#2 LOWER stats kick off HIGHER stats, but NOT vice versa.
#3 clean crapstats? wtf i still need a puri stone - why should i waste precious puris on crapstats?
#4 HOW to do it

What does that mean in plain detail?

TL,DR:
Everything on Place 7-18 falls down the cliff, because there shall be no more than 6 stats on ONE manastone. Thats how it always is.
Combining 3 Manastones of whatever tier to one reduces the space from 3x6 to 6.
So, what we want to do is use stats that are of no use otherwise instead of clean manastones.
This works because stats of the same rating switch places depending on the slot in the transmutor and is worth the hassle because lvl68+ purple items get t5, so we can do t6 clean (rather "clean") stones with 3 crap stats instead of 9 clean t4 stones = 3 instead of 9 puries.
Long version follows....


#1 Stats of the SAME rating are interchangeable.

Glorious and Hero Stats have the same (internal) rating. You can notice stats of the same value having the same internal rating if you can change the order of appearance on a manastone to your liking. If one of the stat sorts would have a higher ranking,the lower would always be on top of the list of stats, therefore the first stat on the stone. This is not the case, so they have the same internal rating. (You can see it by comparing stone#1 and #2 on picture#1. #1 has a glorious-hero order, #2 a hero-glorious order. crimson and castle ARE of course lower in rating, therefore always on top. )

#2 LOWER stats kick off HIGHER stats, but NOT vice versa.

The same way you cannot overwrite the green I stats on your weapons with your fancy yellow VIIIs, lower yellow VIII will kick off higher yellow VIII. And EQUAL VIIIs will kick other EQUAL VIIIs depending on order. (See #1)


#3 But hey, i still need a purified fusion stone for that crappy stone instead of a clean stone, wheres the deal?

This is where the fun begins. Purple Items from Level68 and upwards become Tier 5 (FIVE) instead of 4 when used with a fusion stone.
So, your usual Sta/MP , Int/Mdef, Dex/Pdef and all the other ugly stuff you cant see anymore and would usually throw away at the NPC or burn somewhere deep into the green Is of your next weapon to save some 3455 gold from the NPC just jumped a tier.
Remember, we said these qualify as a clean stone? Good.
The catch is: They qualify as a clean T5 stone instead of a clean T4 stone or a totally useless garbage t5 stone. Of course, they ARE not clean. But they work as such, so we'll gladly use them.
Saves 2 purified fusion stones each time.


4 HOW does it work
in 1-3 we had basically the "why CAN this work at all" and the "whats in for me", now lets just do it.

Lets say you have 3 crap stats from hero or glorious.Lets say it is Defense of the Hero, Glorious Aegis and Star of the Hero.
(We take those because those are the ones from my screen #2).
Make T5 Stones using purified fusion stones from every stat and combine the 3 crap stats to a t6 stone with these 3 crap stats, just like i did.
Congratulations, you just made a clean t6 stone with just 3 purified fusion stones. (or rather a "clean" t6 stone that works the same way as a clean t6 stone).

As long as "Hero" and "Glorious" are the highest available stats in the game there is nothing else you need to know. For future stats you would need to use the same stats in the new version ;)


The simple method (and safe):

6 stats you want to use on 6 t5 stones. Make 2 t6 stones out of them and add a third t6 stone made out of 3 t5 crap-stats.
The important part is: You need ALWAYS to have your good stats make a row. You know the game "Connect Four" ? Make it "Connect SIX" (or five, if you have a stat already on the item). As long as as you can make your good stats to a row of 6 everything is fine, even a crap stat can be mixed into it, as you can see on my screen.

in text:

good+good+good | good+good+good+crap(even +crap+crap for 6 stats on one stone) | crap+crap+crap = can be sorted to have 6x good and 0 crap , see my screenshots.
good+good+crap | good+good+crap | good+good+crap = WILL NOT WORK
good+good+good | good+good+good | crap+crap+crap = works and is the safest way ofc. but costs some more puries each time your still using stats that just make t4 stones, like crimson/bunker/castle - look at the screenshot ;-)
Can you see the difference?

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Tuesday, January 24th 2012, 7:58pm

im still working on it, but if someone wants to start grammar-checking or sth like that, feel free.

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Tuesday, January 24th 2012, 9:47pm

Quoted from "YomanROM;504743"

im still working on it, but if someone wants to start grammar-checking or sth like that, feel free.


I will edit out the OP and put yours once you are finished, I will leave full credit there.

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Wednesday, January 25th 2012, 2:21pm

So in short, these garbage stats don't make actual clean t5 stones but rather they make effectively clean t5 stones because you take advantage of the slot priorities on the AT to keep your good stats and push off the bad ones. That's the basic gist of it?

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Wednesday, January 25th 2012, 2:23pm

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So in short, these garbage stats don't make actual clean t5 stones but rather they make effectively clean t5 stones because you take advantage of the slot priorities on the AT to keep your good stats and push off the bad ones. That's the basic gist of it?


Yes. It's just word play, this was there when purple items got up to level 49+ and caused people to make clean T4 - T5 gear for cheaper instead of using Clean T3 stones.

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Wednesday, January 25th 2012, 2:28pm

It is like great members like Mrmisterwaa that really make this game more fun.

Posts like his are such a great help to others and you better beleive I have it copied in my info file.

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Wednesday, January 25th 2012, 4:39pm

Quoted from "Eledhwen;504989"

It is like great members like Mrmisterwaa that really make this game more fun.

Posts like his are such a great help to others and you better beleive I have it copied in my info file.


There is nothing great about people like me.

I just see no point in keeping all this information either clustered or hidden from everyone else.

Efficiency is my top priority when it comes to helping people.

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Friday, January 27th 2012, 8:16am

ill try to finish it over the weekend. Its just the rest of the sorting stuff that i need to describe and polish a bit.

Any frequent questions left about this stuff that i could put right in and answer?

The one that comes to my mind is already handled in the examples with my screens above.. "can i haz cheeseburgers?" eh..no... "can i haz crimson/bunker on me item still?" ... yes, we ..eh..you.. can. Use any stat LOWER then glorious/hero that you need for STATTING. And only for statting, anything lower glorious/hero does not work as clean t5, so crimson/bunker crap stays crap.

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Friday, January 27th 2012, 2:40pm

why would anyone clue the public into this? now the prices on all stats will go up because ppl will realize their capability. i was hoping this trick stayed "word of mouth" for a lot longer.

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Friday, January 27th 2012, 3:03pm

this trick is years old, so what? and everyone and their pet and uncle knows already. Helping ppl pays out - i had more ppl send me the crap stats that they wouldnt use because they dont tier as high after i started explaining why i would do such idiotic things as creating a t7 stone with stats like sta/mdef int/mdef hp/mdef HP/mp instead of just saying "i need them for statting" or "go find out yourself". Best reaction ever is btw to post such a stone and just say: "Thats a clean t7.". The reactions are priceless :D


But, pricing is a point that i will mention in this guide too.
Just my opionion, but since i base it on logic and some maths i find it quite resonable.
short: maximum price for these should be:
a bit less than building a clean t5 stone of your own
means: price of crapstat needs to be atleast a bit lower than: 3 puris+4charges+3 items a 3455 gold

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Friday, January 27th 2012, 3:30pm

@ ShadowWanderer - I rather have higher prices with more player, then low prices with selected few OP players and missing middle players.

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Friday, January 27th 2012, 5:31pm

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@ ShadowWanderer - I rather have higher prices with more player, then low prices with selected few OP players and missing middle players.

@ Eledhwen - it's very interesting to see that forum mentor is supporting and promoting plagiarism. Well done... :)


Who is plagiarising?

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Friday, January 27th 2012, 5:40pm

GM, please delete....

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Thursday, February 9th 2012, 6:05am

bah, just didnt find the time to finish. trying to finish it this week, wrote a bit again the last hour or so.

I still need someone to volunteer on grammar checking and stuff :)

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Monday, May 21st 2012, 1:49pm

Just a quick question on this (unsurprisingly my first attempt at this went horribly wrong), but orange stats are a higher rating than yellow? So if I want to keep an orange stat on the armour piece, this method won't work?

I was so worried about screwing up the manastones that I didn't even consider that the Hero stat was orange.

Edit: I have confirmation from another thread. Thanks for the quick response guys :p

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Tuesday, October 30th 2012, 12:37pm

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This should be made into a proper guide. While the thread YomanROM linked has several good explanations toward the end, one has to read a pretty long thread to find them. The other plus of making it a guile and putting in guide section is that certain overactive forum managers would not be so fast to edit out the pictures that clarify the process.

Eh. He doesn't make a proper guide (but this is readable and understandable) you still wear the pink clothes and hat (but don't stick out your tongue). Improvements are sure but slow.
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Wednesday, October 31st 2012, 4:17am

http://forum.us.runesofmagic.com/showthr…ll=1#post504255 what information is missing? noone ever volunteered for a grammar check but that's about it.

The pattern stays the same all the time so its not necessary to update it all the time.

and btw as for red stats, stay away from them while using crap t5s unless you know what you're doing. because their rating is always higher than the same level yellow stats and it gets really really messy. (orange CASTLE = yellow hero ... orange hero = orange 147 .... orange 150 = above ALL , and currently even above the next two layers (146 and 156) of stats. .. so just ignore red stats totally if you're thinking about working with red ones...)

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Friday, November 2nd 2012, 1:28pm

For me experiment with AH is always way to go to ensure proper stats are used. Place 3 stats in order 1 - 2 and 3 and check how they show on mana stone preview. Now switch order and see how preview changed. This way you can find out if planned stating and drop of unwanted stats will happen.

New yellow X fillers also help to start with everything at T5 instead of having crimson's T4 before, and needeing T4 blank.