[Guide] Pets + Leveling

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Monday, July 5th 2010, 7:23pm

Quoted from "johnsdea005;300135"

So Leo, how do you personally gain a bunch of Training to get the tp? Do you merge3 pets into 1, then 3 more done like that into your pet you wish to level? or what? It costs a lot to get 2500 Training (What's required for 500 tp) in eggs .

50 training from normal egg, 100 training from rune egg. I chain merge at least 50 pets a day into my pet to level up 1 passive every day.

Quoted from "GnatB;300155"

It's "only" 50 golden eggs though, +10 for the 5 potions, or 60.

'Course, in retrospect, 200 golden eggs fed directly into his pet would probably have leveled it more than once, so you're probably right about chain combining pets. That's still an awefully expensive prospect, but certainly explains why so many runics are all being bought by the same person of so many different levels. (may not be you, but it's probably somebody doing that same idea.. somebody whose also buying Golden Eggs.. careful there whomever)

Not feeding any golden eggs. Chain merge FTW. Its actually not that hard to do, just filter AH using AdvAH and you can find all the pets necessary. Also, if you only use pets that are your pet's level-1, you can't ever lose your pet. Since merging must go into the higher level pet, you can safely guarantee you will never accidentally feed your pet into a trash pet.

But I am buying golden eggs to turn training into TP.

Quoted from "rodarin;300187"

By training I assume you mean merging (without leveling).

No, I still mean training. You use merging to get training, but use training to get TP. You could use food to get training as well. Either way, training is best resource for TP.

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But 2000 TP is 10000 training points, even multi training thats seems like a lot with just 3 slots. Unless youre feeding them golden eggs on top of it. Or there is some other trick to gaiing training points that I dont see.

10k training so far seems about right since I've done it 4 times now over past 4 days.

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edit, ahh never mind you can flip flop the eggs around and not necessarily have to merge your first 3 with the main pet. So you merge 3 level 3 into a level 4, then introduce a level 5 and then merge that level 4 into the 5. Then merge 2 more low levels into the 5 and the go back the other way. Could have a perpetual ladder as long as that pet doesnt get higher than the main.

That is the trick.

Quoted from "rodarin;300193"

Hmm might be loyalty based. I havent bought the potions to raise loyalty above the base level on most of my stuff. But we have 61, 74, and 86 as possible TP gains per level. So looks like the typical round up on one and round down on the other scenario. Will check today and see it if makes a difference.

It isn't loyalty based. View following SS of my pet leveling. (Taken a few days ago)

If I knew then what I did now about leveling, I would have raised my pet's aptitude first before rushing to level it. Oh well... I'm prepared now, current 88.77 aptitude.

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rodarin

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Monday, July 5th 2010, 8:09pm

Semantics I guess. Merging/training. The way I see it you get 50 training points per merge. Unless you merge rune pets then you get 100. But rune pets are ridiculously priced right now, so not an option.

But 10,000 training points it still 200 merges. Eggs are averaging over 8K, I buy anything under 8K regardless, but there arent too many. I think I got 17 this morning that were added since I cleaned out AH last night.

I have started spamming for all pets at 3K an egg, not too many offers, basically the ones that would post on AH for 1K.

Also once people start realizing you can see the color of the egg they probably wont waste too many on the white ones going forward. So I figure it will eventually start costing 8k or so once the fad wears off. Because a few people will always be buying to level.

As far at TP per level it might be. You are at 100/100 and got 86. I think I am at only 60/00 and got 61. I raised mine alittle and am waiting for the merge timer to wear off so I can level it and see if it made a difference.

I am also seeing if pets will gain loyalty without the special food. Basically I am trying a couple similar methods. Feeding them to 100/100 and leaving them unsummoned, and on another guy I am keeping at 100/100 as much as possible but using it. Basically going down to 95/100 and feeding it the chicken quest food.

Only been doing it two days and havent seen an increase in either yet. So either it is a long time, another "trick"/factor, or basically the only way to do it is to feed them the special food.

But we have a good grasp on most of it now I think. Although still havent figure out how loyalty effect ASSIST numbers. I just know it raises them quite a bit. But since it only costs money (unless i figure out something else) to keep it at 100/100 then it is amoot point.

But on a side note, if you die and your pet is out it loses 3 loyalty and 30 nutrition. At least the 2 I have. Not sure if that is a constant but one is a level 7 and one is a level 19 and both lost the identical amounts of nutrition and loyalty when I died.

Not sure what happens if they die. I hope they dont disappear. But possible I suppose.

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aesthetes

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Monday, July 5th 2010, 8:19pm

What about talking to your pet?
Are there rules?
How does your pet know you aren't just chatting with a guildie?
What about talking to other peoples pets?

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rodarin

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Monday, July 5th 2010, 8:37pm

Quoted from "aesthetes;300321"

What about talking to your pet?
Are there rules?
How does your pet know you aren't just chatting with a guildie?
What about talking to other peoples pets?

Dont think anyone has figured that out, the bubbles come and go so fast it is hard to tell half of whatthey are saying, especially in a fight. Best I have done was fight unaremed when he said something about not neededing a weapon. I have also used the /emotes and hugged and kissed and whatever else you can do when it mentioned something about love. and never gotten a response back, so if it suppose to be able to occur it is bugged, not implemented, or too complex to do 'normally'.

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failkaito

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Monday, July 5th 2010, 8:43pm

Quoted from "rodarin;300314"

I am also seeing if pets will gain loyalty without the special food. Basically I am trying a couple similar methods. Feeding them to 100/100 and leaving them unsummoned, and on another guy I am keeping at 100/100 as much as possible but using it. Basically going down to 95/100 and feeding it the chicken quest food.

Only been doing it two days and havent seen an increase in either yet. So either it is a long time, another "trick"/factor, or basically the only way to do it is to feed them the special food.

You are starting to mix loyalty and nourishment. Keeping a pet summoned will only affect nourishment leading to the % reduction of assist. You don't lose any loyalty unless you die while pet is summoned. And only way to increase loyalty is to use the Dessert of Happiness.

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But on a side note, if you die and your pet is out it loses 3 loyalty and 30 nutrition. At least the 2 I have. Not sure if that is a constant but one is a level 7 and one is a level 19 and both lost the identical amounts of nutrition and loyalty when I died.

Not sure what happens if they die. I hope they dont disappear. But possible I suppose.

Its same across the board, regardless of rarity or level. You want your pet to die before you do, then it won't lose any nourishment or loyalty.

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twobits

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Monday, July 5th 2010, 10:12pm

When do your three merges a day reset?

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rodarin

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Monday, July 5th 2010, 10:32pm

Quoted from "twobits;300400"

When do your three merges a day reset?

An educated guess is the next day but has to be more than 12 hours. If you max out your merges at 1030 PM, then it will reset at 1030 am the next day. If you max out before noon then you can do it at midnight.

That is a guess, but from what I can tell it seems accurate. It definitely isnt a universal time for everyone.

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Aarnn

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Monday, July 5th 2010, 10:37pm

Where in the forums is information and instruction for the goblin Miner or the GOBLIN PET EGG(permanent) need more detailed specific infromation why dont we just and a complete section on pets alone? think it be alot better for everyone.

Thanks,
Aarnn

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GnatB

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Monday, July 5th 2010, 11:22pm

Talking to your pet is figured out, check some of the other threads. You get a system message saying a "pet event has started", and a little closed whisper box shows up next to your minimap. Open it and you'll get a dialog about something your pet did, with 4 possible responses.

Screenshot of the dialog is at the end of the "Getting started" thread.

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GnatB

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Monday, July 5th 2010, 11:24pm

Quoted from "failkaito;300345"

And only way to increase loyalty is to use the Dessert of Happiness.

Favorite food (Cow quest) and Pet events can also increase loyalty.

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nokturnal00

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Tuesday, July 6th 2010, 12:51am

So to get the most of your pets, it's best to start with a low level, high aptitude pet?

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failkaito

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Tuesday, July 6th 2010, 12:56am

Quoted from "GnatB;300439"

Favorite food (Cow quest) and Pet events can also increase loyalty.

Does the quest itself raise loyalty? Or are you getting a food item to raise the loyalty?

Quoted from "nokturnal00;300488"

So to get the most of your pets, it's best to start with a low level, high aptitude pet?

If you are willing to put in the many days/gold to level a pet, then yes its better to start with a pet at a lower level. It doesn't necessarily need a high aptitude from the start as you can build that very quickly w/ high 90 aptitude pet merges. However, be warned... we are talking months+ if you are only leveling with merges. A medium-high level pet, gives the opportunity to have good stats now without having to put in the work/time to level it properly.

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Dragoniceomega

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Tuesday, July 6th 2010, 1:30am

Does anyone know anything about pet events? I have gotten two so far, one after I killed Uguda, I got a banner that showed a pet event, I clicked one of the options, and my pet gained 50xp. The second one I got just now, a banner came up with my pet asking a question.

"Master, I am really sleepy, but I slept for 12 hours, yesterday, whats up with that?
I got four options. but the two I remember are
"Go visit the Doctor"
"Ignore the problem"
I chose "Go visit the Doctor", and got more xp for my pet.

Just wondering if anyone else got these "pet-events"

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rodarin

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Tuesday, July 6th 2010, 1:32am

Hmm I havent seen any pet event at all. Guess I will have to check that out.

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GnatB

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Tuesday, July 6th 2010, 2:46am

I've had 3 pet events. 2 got me 50xp each, 1 got me 1 loyalty. My current working theory is that they happen after a set period of time, (approximately equal to going from full nourishment to 70%) but resummoning your pet resets the clock, as does anything else (other than decreasing nourishment) that causes the "assistance" message.

Didn't think much of it at the time, but we should probably write down what gives what for these things. 50xp is pretty pointless, but 1 loyalty? That sounds good. And who knows what else you're pet can get from 'em?

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GnatB

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Tuesday, July 6th 2010, 4:53am

Quoted from "failkaito;300491"

Does the quest itself raise loyalty? Or are you getting a food item to raise the loyalty?

As I understand it, The favorite food possible item that can be in the quest reward box supposedly raises loyalty by 10.

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Metraxis

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Tuesday, July 6th 2010, 4:06pm

Quoted from "GnatB;300548"

I've had 3 pet events. 2 got me 50xp each, 1 got me 1 loyalty. My current working theory is that they happen after a set period of time, (approximately equal to going from full nourishment to 70%) but resummoning your pet resets the clock, as does anything else (other than decreasing nourishment) that causes the "assistance" message.QUOTE]

The major question, I suppose, is whether this includes zoning/instancing.

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GnatB

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Tuesday, July 6th 2010, 6:46pm

Quoted from "Metraxis;301010"

Quoted from "GnatB;300548"

I've had 3 pet events. 2 got me 50xp each, 1 got me 1 loyalty. My current working theory is that they happen after a set period of time, (approximately equal to going from full nourishment to 70%) but resummoning your pet resets the clock, as does anything else (other than decreasing nourishment) that causes the "assistance" message.QUOTE]

The major question, I suppose, is whether this includes zoning/instancing.

My *theory* is that it does, which is why so few people are seeing them. Basically have to be sitting around in the zone w/o porting/instancing/etc. for ~2hours or whatever it takes to drop. Also have to let your pet drop into the 80% assist for a good while, which is something else most people aren't doing.

I do know for a fact that the last two of the times it happened by pet was at 70% nourishment (plus or minus a bit) and the third time I noticed it just as I resummoned my pet after feeding, but I *think* it may have been there before I unsummoned it. And since I've been feeding with the beef skewers most of the time, It's generally been about ~70%.

It's also only happened during/after longish grind sessions with no porting. (I'm part scout so I typically recall quite frequently when doing regular adventuring)

So yeah, just a theory, and 2 pieces of evidence isn't much to go on.