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Monday, March 10th 2014, 8:22pm

im fairly certain revoe/aggr/assassin/madness is the set up that gives the most PA while sacrificing all stam, which is kind of what im shooting for.

a dead dps is useless


Except im still sitting at 77k hp unbuffed right now (im using enligtenments atm instead of aggressions so its not the MOST pa, but its close). I could remove the enligtenments and still have 70k hp unbuffed, over 100k buffed. I only die when i lag or run stupidly into aoes. Peoples obession with HP for pve is unfounded. You will have enough hp with 4dex/pa 2stam/pa or 4dex/pa stam/pa pa/hp + the runes i listed.

edit: i would use tyrants, but they are CONSIDERABLY less accessible.

Max pa from runes with 4/2 set up is fairly cheap, and obtainable now since they have been selling them on the Item shop. I havent seen tryants yet, unless i straight up missed the sale.

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Monday, March 10th 2014, 9:12pm

Darwec is right. Rom PVE is built in a way that high hp is not required in the least. If you go in an instance and fail at boss fight 99% of the time you failed because of dps or strat. I have never been in a party where hp was a problem.

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Monday, March 10th 2014, 9:21pm

Let me clarify something about this whole guide: I am trying to balance cost / availability with output. yes, 5/1 with revo, assassin, madness, tyrant or something similar might be amazing, but its also hard to acquire them all unless they are in abundance on ur server. ive seen so far revos aggressions assassins sold on IS. i bought madness for cheap so i assume they were on sale and missed that one. Tyrants may have been on sale and i missed that as well. Im glad these ideas are listed, and that this discussion happened. It is just important to note that pa >> hp. These set ups are all viable dependent on what u can acquire:

any combination of block/aggro/revo/maddness/tyrant/assassin/enligtenment/potential with 3 dps runes, 1 hp rune, or 4 dps runes.

any combination of cores, guardains, ability, triumph stats, with 4 -6 dps stats, 0-2 hp stats.

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Tuesday, March 11th 2014, 12:30am

well now you say block runes for a rogue but you just said that patt is more important then hp, so why use block rune when patt is more important? im not saying that hp is more important then patt at all, but if you get aggro with just over 100k hp then you will die for sure, atleast if you buff to around 140-150k you can take a hit from a trash mob in the latest instance, (assuming its not the skeletons from grotto which hit like trucks) not to mention that madness runes are never on promo anymore -.- was gonna make them before they did tyrant/assassin runes :D
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Tuesday, March 11th 2014, 12:36am

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well now you say block runes for a rogue but you just said that patt is more important then hp, so why use block rune when patt is more important? im not saying that hp is more important then patt at all, but if you get aggro with just over 100k hp then you will die for sure, atleast if you buff to around 140-150k you can take a hit from a trash mob in the latest instance, (assuming its not the skeletons from grotto which hit like trucks) not to mention that madness runes are never on promo anymore -.- was gonna make them before they did tyrant/assassin runes :D
because they are dirt cheap. This goes back to the cost vs output thing.

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Tuesday, March 11th 2014, 1:05am

No madness at ah on Siochain, so can't really say what is the price there, but budget is ofc always a good reason :).

I remember a few sales with tyrant runes (december/january), then they left them out. BUT there were always Raid VII and Curse VII on promo at the same time as Assassin VII. And since Tyrant is Raid + Curse...

Yes, Tyrant VII costs 1 charge more than Assassin, but unless you head up for tier IX or X imho its not that big deal.

As for the hp stacking for pve, I agree with Darwec and Mrpushpop. There is no need for high hp at all... Since most of the ugly hits are % based, its actually better to keep hp low :)
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Tuesday, March 11th 2014, 1:31am

No madness at ah on Siochain, so can't really say what is the price there, but budget is ofc always a good reason :).

I remember a few sales with tyrant runes (december/january), then they left them out. BUT there were always Raid VII and Curse VII on promo at the same time as Assassin VII. And since Tyrant is Raid + Curse...

Yes, Tyrant VII costs 1 charge more than Assassin, but unless you head up for tier IX or X imho its not that big deal.

As for the hp stacking for pve, I agree with Darwec and Mrpushpop. There is no need for high hp at all... Since most of the ugly hits are % based, its actually better to keep hp low :)

ahh i dident know tyrants were raid and curse or i would have done that >.<

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Tuesday, March 11th 2014, 1:36am

Tyrants are raid + accuracy. Raid + curse makes assassins.

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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 7:00am

Totally forgot to tell r/s's to max coerce. You guys should do that.

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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 7:47am

You can also do Shadowstab -> Lowblow -> Wound attack -> Wound attack. Then once you have 70+ energy back again you can repeat. You can successfully cast 2 wound attacks for every 1 shadowstab and lowblow. My scruits generally end up being 18 wound attacks 3 ss/lb at the end of a fight (depending on length of course).

Note: blind spot bleed does not last as long so doesn't work.
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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 11:48am

if you are r/d, BS is cheap(15 energy), and shud be used to refresh bleed instead of SS...the BS bleed lasts 6 seconds, so ur rotation would be BS LB WA BS WA BS LB WA...where u can keep LB up for 2 WA's as well...
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 7:24pm

You can also do Shadowstab -> Lowblow -> Wound attack -> Wound attack. Then once you have 70+ energy back again you can repeat. You can successfully cast 2 wound attacks for every 1 shadowstab and lowblow. My scruits generally end up being 18 wound attacks 3 ss/lb at the end of a fight (depending on length of course).

Note: blind spot bleed does not last as long so doesn't work.

If there are other rogues in the party using ss/low blow, I don't use them and only use wound attack and throw.

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Wednesday, March 19th 2014, 11:06pm

You can also do Shadowstab -> Lowblow -> Wound attack -> Wound attack. Then once you have 70+ energy back again you can repeat. You can successfully cast 2 wound attacks for every 1 shadowstab and lowblow. My scruits generally end up being 18 wound attacks 3 ss/lb at the end of a fight (depending on length of course).

Note: blind spot bleed does not last as long so doesn't work.

If there are other rogues in the party using ss/low blow, I don't use them and only use wound attack and throw.
Ehm, why not to use ss/blind spot/lb? If you have 60-70 energy why wait for WA?
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Thursday, March 20th 2014, 1:45am

You can also do Shadowstab -> Lowblow -> Wound attack -> Wound attack. Then once you have 70+ energy back again you can repeat. You can successfully cast 2 wound attacks for every 1 shadowstab and lowblow. My scruits generally end up being 18 wound attacks 3 ss/lb at the end of a fight (depending on length of course).

Note: blind spot bleed does not last as long so doesn't work.

If there are other rogues in the party using ss/low blow, I don't use them and only use wound attack and throw.
Ehm, why not to use ss/blind spot/lb? If you have 60-70 energy why wait for WA?

If I happen to have an abundance of energy ill cast lb, but i want to ensure that i have enough energy when WA comes up to cast it immediately.

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Thursday, March 20th 2014, 4:10am

If you do the rotation that i suggested you can put WA on cd almost instantly every time it comes up. As long as you don't cast any extra skills WA will always be on cd.
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Thursday, March 20th 2014, 10:05am

Also, I wouldn't go with Hill Bear Cub for pet's transformation. Personally I would go for either the Rainbow Falcon or the Executioner Puppet.

Rainbow Falcon gives 10% pa for 30 seconds, where as Hill Bear Cub is only 5% pa and 5% attributes. (5% attributes gives very little compared to 5% pa(at least for rogue and scout))

Executioner Puppet gives 5% attributes (yeh, not that good) and 8% attack speed. Attack speed means more damage per hit, no matter what you are v'sing.
So of those 2 I would go for Puppet first, and if it doesn't go on sale any time soon I would get the Falcon.

http://runesofmagic.gamepedia.com/Magic_…Pets_.26_Skills for reference.
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Thursday, March 20th 2014, 6:13pm

Also, I wouldn't go with Hill Bear Cub for pet's transformation. Personally I would go for either the Rainbow Falcon or the Executioner Puppet.

Rainbow Falcon gives 10% pa for 30 seconds, where as Hill Bear Cub is only 5% pa and 5% attributes. (5% attributes gives very little compared to 5% pa(at least for rogue and scout))

Executioner Puppet gives 5% attributes (yeh, not that good) and 8% attack speed. Attack speed means more damage per hit, no matter what you are v'sing.
So of those 2 I would go for Puppet first, and if it doesn't go on sale any time soon I would get the Falcon.

http://runesofmagic.gamepedia.com/Magic_…Pets_.26_Skills for reference.

Also, I wouldn't go with Hill Bear Cub for pet's transformation. Personally I would go for either the Rainbow Falcon or the Executioner Puppet.

Rainbow Falcon gives 10% pa for 30 seconds, where as Hill Bear Cub is only 5% pa and 5% attributes. (5% attributes gives very little compared to 5% pa(at least for rogue and scout))

Executioner Puppet gives 5% attributes (yeh, not that good) and 8% attack speed. Attack speed means more damage per hit, no matter what you are v'sing.
So of those 2 I would go for Puppet first, and if it doesn't go on sale any time soon I would get the Falcon.

http://runesofmagic.gamepedia.com/Magic_…Pets_.26_Skills for reference.

I can agree with the falcon, but the executioner puppet is never on the IS except for rare sales. The hillbear and falcon are always on sale. I hate the rain forest hunter, guts is a useless skill. I think big kuman is also decent if im not mistaken?

Im honestly just using a boar right now which is 5% pa because I dont have spare gold right now to spend on a pet transform pot.

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Thursday, March 20th 2014, 11:30pm

Yeh, I know its rarely on sale, hence why I said I would only get it if you're lucky enough for it to be on sale just after (or before) making your pet. And it was a suggestion, im not saying buy 1 instantly because its better, just that it IS better.

And yes, looking through that list, there are 11 pets in total that give 10% attack. I don't remember it ever being on sale, so never looked into it, but the Fell Snake is really good. 10% pa and lowers targets defence by 10% for 15 seconds.

Forest Fox, Red Valley Hyena, Rainbow Falcon, Ice Plain Sabretooth Tiger (+ aggro increase by 10%), Hidden Panther, Green Lakoso, Forest Leopard, Forest Fox, Floating Balloon Monster, Crimson Hog and Big Kuman all increase pa by 10%.

Valley Marauder, Executioner Puppet and Crystal Ball Grain all increase attack speed by 8%.
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Friday, March 21st 2014, 12:26am

Yeh, I know its rarely on sale, hence why I said I would only get it if you're lucky enough for it to be on sale just after (or before) making your pet. And it was a suggestion, im not saying buy 1 instantly because its better, just that it IS better.

And yes, looking through that list, there are 11 pets in total that give 10% attack. I don't remember it ever being on sale, so never looked into it, but the Fell Snake is really good. 10% pa and lowers targets defence by 10% for 15 seconds.

Forest Fox, Red Valley Hyena, Rainbow Falcon, Ice Plain Sabretooth Tiger (+ aggro increase by 10%), Hidden Panther, Green Lakoso, Forest Leopard, Forest Fox, Floating Balloon Monster, Crimson Hog and Big Kuman all increase pa by 10%.

Valley Marauder, Executioner Puppet and Crystal Ball Grain all increase attack speed by 8%.

SO i have a super low level fell snake, but its a blue pet. I would lose upto 500 dex and str, but i almost want to level it. Almost meaning im not going to, because its probably not worth it.

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Friday, March 21st 2014, 1:49am

Yeh, I know its rarely on sale, hence why I said I would only get it if you're lucky enough for it to be on sale just after (or before) making your pet. And it was a suggestion, im not saying buy 1 instantly because its better, just that it IS better.

And yes, looking through that list, there are 11 pets in total that give 10% attack. I don't remember it ever being on sale, so never looked into it, but the Fell Snake is really good. 10% pa and lowers targets defence by 10% for 15 seconds.

Forest Fox, Red Valley Hyena, Rainbow Falcon, Ice Plain Sabretooth Tiger (+ aggro increase by 10%), Hidden Panther, Green Lakoso, Forest Leopard, Forest Fox, Floating Balloon Monster, Crimson Hog and Big Kuman all increase pa by 10%.

Valley Marauder, Executioner Puppet and Crystal Ball Grain all increase attack speed by 8%.

SO i have a super low level fell snake, but its a blue pet. I would lose upto 500 dex and str, but i almost want to level it. Almost meaning im not going to, because its probably not worth it.

i got a lvl 52 green fell snake just for the buffs/debuffs while i am in the process of making a holy wind pet...has been worth it imo.
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