Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "Zerienga"

To all who thinks it should remain open all the time: tell me how you expect to get the haidon's special catalysts that you need for making the gear? What, are you going to make 100 alts and do the quests to maybe get them?
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Plus, with it staying how it currently is, you can get the haidon's special catalysts without making a massive horde of alts.

Again, bad design is...bad.

In what way could they have not created a separate NPC that handles this capability of a daily reward where you can still get your catalysts where it has no influence if the instance is open or not?

It's an interesting set of discussions. Take care that they don't become flamey.

Quoted from "MODRUNE01"

Quoted from "Zerienga"

To all who thinks it should remain open all the time: tell me how you expect to get the haidon's special catalysts that you need for making the gear? What, are you going to make 100 alts and do the quests to maybe get them?
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Plus, with it staying how it currently is, you can get the haidon's special catalysts without making a massive horde of alts.

Again, bad design is...bad.

In what way could they have not created a separate NPC that handles this capability of a daily reward where you can still get your catalysts where it has no influence if the instance is open or not?

exactly modrune.

as i said earlier, there are so many BETTER things can be done. and if they dont wanna make it a daily type quest to get your catalysts (a very decent suggestion and a better one than the one im about to suggest) they could also make THAT a gold sink if they want as well as gold sinks for the buffs etc. charge "x" amount of gold for haidons catalyst if its the prime ingredient for the gear.

to those who want the current system in place to remain the way it is, I'm dead serious, you who defend it better be putting in a ton of gold and resources every time its closed to reopen it to support your defense on the matter. if you like the current system, prove it and support it by donating most if not all the resources necessary.

if not, then there is no justifiable reason as to why anyone would WANT the instance accessible the way it is right now. The only reason for thinking that was is because certain people just don't want others to have what they don't / can't have.


if GF wants to ABSOLUTELY leave the gold sink aspect into the opening of this instance, then make it one or more of the following:

a.) make gold the ONLY stage to gain entry to the instance.
b.) in addition lower the cost of total gold TO gain entry into the instance. I'd say by at least half if not more of the initial 200m "entry fee"
c.) open the instance for a much longer period of time if they insist on a 200m gold donation. id say a couple weeks to a month being open before you have to donate again, that way people can justify pouring their gold in to it.


there's just so many good ways it can be done other than the mindset of "nope. leave it. cuz if i cant do it, why should others get free reign of it"

Well first time it opened on Reni i donated 110M and a lot of runes, Sperlie gave a lot of the runes needed and at least 3 other people in guild donated another 40M, so please don't tell me what i should have done or not. Altough we couldn't clear it, we did it to find out what it was and help the server, not only hoping to gain something from it but just for fun.

Zeri in his post has a lot of good solution, open once every 10 days is fine.

Some offtopic removed. -Heron

I'm not arguing to leave it 100% as is. The gold donation rate really needs to be changed. Maybe when I get home I'll feel like doing exact calculations to see how long it would take to open at 300 gold/sec.

EDIT: Actually, nevermind. I forget how I originally calculated my numbers. (i'll need to check a thread and see if i can find it again, though I know that currently it takes about 22 days for the arcanium chamber to unlock. The calculation I had up before was wrong.

A lot of people donated the first time. Content was new and ppl wanted to check it out. So, how much have you donated since you figured out you can't clear it?

Either way, 200m is too much for 3 days. Idk about other guilds but we get 1-2 runs a night. So 200m gold for 4-6 runs... Then let's not even get into the fact that it looks like you want them to be cheap in AH... You have any idea how long it takes to make an item? zzz

lol I remember 3 or 4 of us sat there for an hour donating 30k gold the first day they opened arcanium/HoE... then to find out that it wanted runes and t5 stones and farm to make a key to get into the instance lol

Yea... still can't find how I calculated it all out, so, these are my calculations for the gold donation rate being upped to 250. "If it were to be upped from 100 gold/sec to 250 gold/sec, it would take 09:06:12:58 to open the Arcanium Chamber if the NPC'S ONLY were donating. Now, if 100 people donated 30k gold every day (3M gold/day), it would only take 08:03:07:12 in order to open the Chamber." (this is pulled from my old thread about changing the donation rate.)

Now, pulling from that... I think I figured out my equation, so I'll adjust the numbers to 20 people donating 30k gold/day, and npc's donating 300 gold/sec. With those new values, it would take 07:12:59:43 to open the Arcanium Chamber, and then another 30 hours for the npc's to complete the material phase.