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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 3:49pm

Allow Selling of BOP Gear in AH & Gold Sink

BOP gear sucks. We all have to wait for ABL's to sell off or give away the gear. Something GF/RW could do would be to allow BOP gear to be gold sinks.

Basically:

1. Put up gear in AH that is BOP
2. Player sets his/her price for the gear
3. AH places additional 1.5 mil fee for BOP gear
4. Purchaser gets BOP gear in the mail

Example:

Someone runs HoS for kicks. Puts up Dilan'y Earring for 800k, AH sells it for 2.4 mil. Buyer pays 2.4 mil, seller gets 800k.

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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 3:53pm

What does the company that runs the game and thus needs profit from the sale of gear get?

There is a case to be made that buyer should be paying for transfer, not seller; but gold is not gonna happen.
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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 4:08pm

Yeah... Unfortunately I agree with Wiffo. The point of bop gear is that you need Dias to sell it. It would need Ito be something like: Buyer pays 50-100 Dias
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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 4:18pm

whatever needs to be done. I really don't care. Right now, ABL's are "normally" 99 dias & they "go on sale" for 69 dias. What I'm suggesting is some way to allow ppl to get rid of the gear that they pick up.

Yes, we can all stock up when ABL's go on sale... *yawn* but if the game is to remain healthy, there has to be some way to allow lowbies to start catching up.

Hell, we've petitioned for HoS/ZS/DL to be removed the 1-a-day list, but we got some jacked up reason why GF won't do that.

We've petitioned for everything lvl 55 and under to be BoE, but we got some jacked up reason why GF won't do that.

My suggestion is somewhere in the middle. Leave the BoP gear BoP, but allow it to be purchased in the AH. If it requires the buyer spend dias ( & in my example, the buyer did pay that 1.5 mil gold -- not the seller ) then so be it. Heck, it could encourage more dia trade in the AH as well.

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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 4:32pm

I am all for the buyer to be spending money on getting the gear, just in terms of diamonds, not gold.

Problem with sellers selling it are fairly obvious when you look at numbers. A lot of lower gear, the one that comes from instances less than Grafu is just not that profitable to sell. I have decent selection of ZS/DL/HOS/RT OD pieces that could be useful to someone, but if I were to sell them, I would charge 250k-500k. Meanwhile, my 69 dia ABL costs me 3.5m if I were to buy dias for 50k, a reasonable price, actually below minimum. So, I, as seller, am not going to put up 3.5m investment that I can easily lose to earn 250k-500k.

People want to get rid of that gear. Sometimes it is not even for profit, sometimes just to help people. When ABLs are on sale, I see quite a few "free with your ABL" shouts. It is that putting it all on seller is not reasonable; and yet another reason why ABL removal from permanent selection of item shop was such a boneheaded move.

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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 4:41pm

While I do agree that implementing something like this would drastically affect Gameforge's sales, there does need to be a change somehow. Not this, of course, but there's hardly any gear in the AH nowadays. No one bothers putting the lower tier gear up, which leaves lowbies stuck with using pre-statted white gear from the AH or quest gear. ABLs need to be on sale more often, or their price needs to go down, just something to encourage sale of a lot of gear.

As it is, it's rare to see things below GC-level weapons on Osha, minus a few exceptions such as the Iron Wheel Great-Axe, and infrequently Fury of the Defenders. Sometimes crafted things are sold, but when it comes to ZS/DL, HoS and RT gear...it's rarely there, except the 4-piece pants/gloves etc sets from RT hard. The shortage of gear is a direct result of a.) ABLs still being expensive, and b.) ABLs rarely going on sale. People do run the lower instances still, pretty often for guildmates, but gear that they end up with just gets trashed or vendored since no one wants to waste ABLs on it.

If nothing else, we need them on sale frequently. Having such large gaps between sales means gear shortages, even for 65+ gear, when there hasn't been a sale on them in a while.



If they didn't keep taking out the lower level shell gear every cap raise, that would be a significant help to lower levels. Getting to 67 isn't terrible. Mobs up to that point aren't all that hard. It's when you get to TB that it becomes impossible to quest if you have no heals, without any gear. And in Merdhin...well, when we get to the point where they remove the 72-75 shell gear, newbies will be absolutely screwed for that zone.

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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 5:09pm

Now that dias are in AH, all they have to do is to enable to add additional cost for unbinded gear. Something like this, buyer pays extra 10 dias for gear <L55, 20 dias for L55-L65 abd 30 dias for >L65 and get rid of ABL.

In my honest opinion, this will help this dying game to attract new users to the game and survive. Without new blood, this game has no future.

Another proposed solution was to completely remove BOP for gear <=L55. In this case, to answer Pink Hat's question, what will GF get out of it - new mid-level customers, who will have more easy time to progress to end game, where you expected to spend RL cash.

Game has moved from CH2 and 3, but IS has not adopt for new settings, actually with some questionable moves, now is even more expensive to progress to level cap.

All of this is main reason servers are loosing population, but as ebi has pointed out, all of this will not get any attention from game developer or publisher. Apparantly there is huge (berlin) wall between them, at least used to be. This is why we never get any of requested items on sale and why even removal of ABL is bad for business, this mistake has never been fixed.

Folks doing sales and leading the game do not play the game and have no idea of game state, requirements and all required items for game progress. They might have business diploma, but it is equivalent to me programming satellites orbits just because I have programming diploma... in short - FAIL.

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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 5:50pm

Idk, based on the last few sales, I would say that their sales acumen has increased tremendously from whence they started.
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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 8:14pm

Back to the topic at hand, would you guys agree that it would be worthwhile to be able to buy BOP gear from AH?

The most reasonable suggestion so far is that the BUYER would pay dias to obtain the gear. The SELLER would simply put up their gear in AH for however much they want to sell it for. 10k - 1.8 Gajillion gold... whatever. But since it's BOP, the AH would require the BUYER to pay the AH dias to release the gear to them. It will still be BOP so when the player receives the gear in the mail, it is BOP to them.

Now, the question becomes: What is a fair price? ( & Be serious here )

My suggestion would be about half of what an ABL is, 49 dias, since you are not unbinding the equipment. The equipment is still bound. You are just able to sell the gear in the AH.

I believe this would drive people to buy diamonds as well as encourage dia sales in the AH.

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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 8:59pm

That is pricy if you ask me for something that still requires binder to be sold. With current population and to make it worth for middle level players, it should not excide 10-25 dias. Higher level should cost more, but not insane amount.

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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 9:22pm

No unbinder is required to sell the item.

The whole point is that the AH would allow transfer of gear for 49 diamonds and whatever the seller is requesting for gold.

If you mean later on you wanted to unbind it? Yes, you would require an ABL to unbind it.

If all you are doing is re-selling it on AH w/o unbinding it, you would not need an unbinder. You'd sell it for however much you feel it's worth & the AH would require 49 dias from the buyer to transfer the item to them.

& yes, 49 dias is a little pricey.. hell, it's a lot pricey but I think it's fair. We're asking GF/RW to make a modification to their AH in order to be able to sell gear to one another that could possibly affect sales of ABL's. GF wants to make money. Real life money = dias in-game. So I'm hoping this change will make it EASIER to pay GF $$$$$$$$ and allow lowbies a chance to buy halfway decent gear that they may not be able to get themselves.

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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 9:28pm

I am just thinking from my perspective. I run solo HOS and couple other instances and do have gear that might benefit some players, but I will not pay, nor require them to pay 49 dias (is that like 1 dollar) to get middle-level gear that they will eventually in couple of week outgrow.

I don't see potential in this as later quest gear is far better then <L60 instance gear.

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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 9:36pm

That's like $1.79, I think if you buy them @ $49.99 off-sale... so that's more like $0.90 when you buy them @ double dias.

I get what you're saying, RoMage, but we all know that 55 and under gear is not worth ABL's ( even on sale ) unless they have ISS.

Okay, so we move away from 49 dias, down to a sliding scale. Would something like this work?

top 10 levels ( 67 - 77 ) are 49 dias, next 10 levels ( 56 - 66 ) are 39 dias and anything less ( 1 - 55 ) are 19 dias?

You know there's no way GF would go under 19 dias for lvl 55 gear and the newer gear, you know GF will want to be fairly expensive to get.

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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 10:23pm

Thing is that it is not what GF wants, but what players that are left are willing to pay with all this issues, and how many of them really will go and purchase DIAS with RL cash to get something they like.

Bad sale strategy IMHO is major reason no one rush to get dias, even 100% more dias is back as regular offer.

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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 10:24pm

Unfortunately if it's not going to make it unbound... it's kind of useless. If you're gonna pay 50 dias anyway why not wait for 69 to make it boe forever.
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