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Suggested several time and always seems like a good idea. It essentially becomes a sort of "fitting fee" where you are paying dias to make an item previously fit to someone else fit to you.

Same for graduated ABL/fitting costs, to allow lowbie gear to be cheaper since they can't afford expensive stuff yet.

Alas, GF can't do it, only RW can. So, chances are slim and none, sorry to say. Would love to be proven wrong on this one.

/move to Pvp server.

Problem Solved.


On a more serious note, yeah it does suck for you guys to need to spend the dias. I always wondered how new players got sht like hos and ds gear without having to grovel at the feet of someone able to run the stuff. It makes the easiest to obtain items unecessarily expensive due to the ABL cost. Making it so there's a non-abl way to unbind gear would make things too easy for you tricksy pve, diamond buying peoplez tho! >.>

It's another variant of the old ABL in the IS permanently argument.

Pro: Encourages people that run endgame content to run it more often and profit. Better gear for everyone as near limitless supply. More diamonds spent on tiering, statting, etc., etc.,

Cons: Encourages players that don't run content, not to run content. Reduces game for a large amount of players to farm x amount of gold or spend x amount of diamonds to be perfectly geared, i.e., grind fest. Devalues gear from all but the latest clearable instances to complete junk (as everything is only worth the ABL really anyway).

For me it is a hard argument call without access to internal stats such population, and IS sales. But old Frogster EU were very much on the con side of the argument, Frogster NA on the pro side, and possibly Gameforge are still on the fence, pending possible IS revamp (which as far as I can remember is something that they will look at once they have other priorities sorted).

How about if instance drops were bound and gear bought with mentos/EoJ/PoM etc were bind on equip?

I think I posted this same suggestion before...

It would be nice to allow people to put up gear in AH and the AH would charge X amount of dias to the buyer to bind that gear to them.

It would definitely make people buy dias...

if all gear was BoE then there would be no need for Adv unbinders, which we all may think "YAY!", but GF's accountant will go "NO!". Just cause we want it doesn't mean that it makes business sense to do it. Course they could go back and make any gear before... RT, or something BoE. Give newer players the incentive to start statting earlier. Newer instances... nah.

However ycavan's suggestion is a great one. Make the auction take the 69 diamonds, AND the gold to buy it. So people can see gear that was unbinded by the person selling it or not. Here is how I would say it should work:

Add a new column in the AH, Dia Cost. Then for a lot of items will just be blank there, since when they are put up for sale there is no need. When someone puts up a bound piece of gear, it says "This will add a 69 diamond cost to the item", like a check box, or a pop up or something. Then when the item is in the AH it has its gold cost then a separate column saying 69 diamonds. This way you can then filter searches for items with a diamond cost, or not.


I like it.

Quoted from "vfwiffo"

Suggested several time and always seems like a good idea. It essentially becomes a sort of "fitting fee" where you are paying dias to make an item previously fit to someone else fit to you.

Same for graduated ABL/fitting costs, to allow lowbie gear to be cheaper since they can't afford expensive stuff yet.

Alas, GF can't do it, only RW can. So, chances are slim and none, sorry to say. Would love to be proven wrong on this one.

This problem is much easier to fix, but would require work on DB.

Just change all gear bellow certain level (for example bellow L65) EoP. This way you have cheap binder able to unbind it. (500 PT or some small amount DIAS, I can't remember anymore what it was)

It is single field in item table that tells game if item is EoP, B or NB.

Yes, we discuss this many times, this would mean that instead of selling ABL they would get more DIAS by higher volume of binder, but of course, they will never do it... there are still 1-2 players left that will pay ABL for L55 gear most likely...

If the gear was BOE, absolutely it is income loss. The "but they will sell more gear enahncers" might or might not be true, but we don't know. We dont have data, we can only speculate.

There is expression in programming circles "given complete data, even bad manager will make good decision; given some data, a decent manager will make good decisions; a perfect manager can make good decisions while being perfectly ignorant". None of us here is perfect manager.

People would probs dump more stuff in ah instead of vendoring or t-stoning if a dia charge is placed on the buyer. So many items are vendored or t-stoned because a 10mil sell is approx 3mil profit (based on Reni dia prices of 90-120k ..excluding the AH fees) and with dias being so hard to obtain, personally I wouldn't unbind things unless it can be sold for +20mil.

how bout yall just do what we used to do. once a week or sometimes more often we would do "fun runs" through hos, hodl, rt up to what we were geared for to get noobs gear they needed to progress. with the idea being, if u need it, need it. most of us old timers run the older stuff just for fun anyways. new people like to have the old gear for the item set skills, and to run the old stuff for the experience of learning how strats in the old dungeons worked etc. too many players have no idea how the colors boss in hos works. how the (cant think of his name now) tree boss in rt works. many players have no idea how to get through the hall in kt with the poison debuff.

From my limited experience, many players have absolutely no idea how to get past the zombies in grafu as well. I have yet to finish that instance myself. yea, im a lil noob too. but as far as making bound gear sellable in ah, no. no easy route. make them run the damn instances or they will miss out on a very challenging and interesting part of Runes of Magic. that's part of the game. part of the lure. that's what makes this game so awesome. don't let people skip that stuff or they will never get the same sense of accomplishment us old timers got. yall get what im sayin right?

I wonder if any1 on palenque remembers cike's epic parties(CEP)...same kind of fun...running old content for kicks and giggles, and to inform the new players...

and lol @ KT, I was a 60 s/d that had to explain the poison thing to a party of 5 other level 75's...it took about 7 wipes for them to get it...

Quoted from "vfwiffo"

If the gear was BOE, absolutely it is income loss. The "but they will sell more gear enahncers" might or might not be true, but we don't know. We dont have data, we can only speculate.

There is expression in programming circles "given complete data, even bad manager will make good decision; given some data, a decent manager will make good decisions; a perfect manager can make good decisions while being perfectly ignorant". None of us here is perfect manager.

So you are willing to blindly say that there is no missing sale atm?

I just NPC all old instance gear, as everyone else....

yeah it is a shame how much gear gets vendor'ed that could be useful. The other day I sold a set of RT gear all OD, and guy the guy a huge deal on the ABLs and gave the gear for free, cause I figured it was worth it. I paid less for the Unbinders like a year ago, so I figured I could give him a much better rate on them


Again I think it is a great idea, there could end up being a lot of gear for free, buyers unbinder... which used to happen all the time in world, and now almost never. I do think that always helped lower players.

The point of the game is to make profit for the company, Selling ABL"s is a major source of income. Would the sale of gems and drillers and stones to upgrade the newly bought items make enough profit to compensate for the loss of income from unbinders and ABLs I don't know. But it might be worth a test period to find out.

Here's the thing... I'm not proposing the AH UNBIND anything, the AH would bind the item to another user for the dia cost. ( whatever GF decides upon ) Like someone mentioned earlier, it would be a "fitting fee".

In order to trade the item, you would still to use an adv. unbinder if it was bind-on-pickup ( which this discussion really is about ).

Someone will point out that hey! you can just put it back in the AH... yeah... you can & the next person that wants it still needs to pay a "fitting fee" in dias until an adv. unbinder has been used on it.

& as far as sales on ABL's and such.. remember that we are informed that GF makes $$$ off of diamond sales; after the diamonds are purchased, they don't care what people use 'em on.

Now, back to the gear in question... I'm guessing most of it will be "junk" from mem runs and such. ie, one of my guildies returned to RoM after being gone for a while & she about cried when I told her it's prolly better to vendor an OD t4 cape than try to sell it or stone it.

RE: Let them run it

Yeah... Some of the people out there that are f2p really get discouraged early on when they're trying to run these instances to get gear/quests and they keep dying. I know I've run a few parties through instances, but I always feel bad that I can't do more for them. When ABL's were permanently in our IS, it was easy.. Hey! I got XXX gear you can use, do you want it? your abl.

tldr; BOP gear in AH will make GF $$$$$$$$$$$; do eet

Quoted from "aardvark3"

The point of the game is to make profit for the company, Selling ABL"s is a major source of income. Would the sale of gems and drillers and stones to upgrade the newly bought items make enough profit to compensate for the loss of income from unbinders and ABLs I don't know. But it might be worth a test period to find out.

Game has to adopt to change... lower population should not mean you have to pay higher price... it should be more affordable to attract new players. Otherwise you will not play the game for long...

DOn't forget, this game does not even have marketing department - no ads, no news story on this side of big pond... not sure if is the same on other side...

Unless you think some guy named Pit telling the truth that they are running game without proper documentation is 'marketing' step...